Five of the world’s top game developers team up to fight illegal file-sharing of popular game titles, demanding the name and IPs of suspects who’ll be asked to pay 300 pounds ($557 USD) each to settle.
UK-based law firm Davenport Lyons is leading the charge on behalf of Atari, Topware Interactive, Reality Pump, Techland and Codemaster game developers to crack down on the illegal file-sharing of their titles.
‘Our clients are incensed by the level of illegal downloading,” said Roger Billens, a partner of Davenport Lyons. “Hopefully people will think twice if they risk being taken to court.’
The law firm said it would apply to the High Court to force ISPs to release the names and addresses of 7,000 suspected file-sharers.
The number of people prosecuted for piracy by Davenport Lyons could reach 25,000, according to a report in the Daily Mail on Wednesday. They would be offered the chance to pay 300 pounds ($557 USD) each for damages to settle out of court, the report added.
It also claims that the first 500 who ignore the letters will “face immediate legal action” by the game developers.
The suspected file-sharers were identified by a Swiss forensic computer company Logistep. It searched for the users’ IP address, a unique number allocated to every computer that connects to the Internet.
“Illegal file-sharing is a very serious issue resulting in millions of pounds of losses to copyright owners,” said David Gore, another of the law firm’s partners.
He added that “Taking direct action against file-sharers will become an ‘important and effective’ weapon to tackle online piracy.
The news comes on the heels of a recent effort by the same law firm about a month ago on behalf of Topware Interactive when it sued some 100 people for illegally sharing copies of it’s Dream Pinball 3-D game.
Some of have already weighed in on the case:
This has been a hot topic since the beginning of home recording technologies and the “debate” will never cease.
Due to the belief that all roads lead to piracy and that digital piracy of goods is a ‘bad thing’, we’re seeing individual rights being dissolved, privacy being violated and people dictating how we enjoy our movies and music and the like… limiting innovation for fear of loss in profits without actually conducting research that may demonstrate a greater return on their investments should the cease this wild goose chase.
There is no conclusive un-biased evidence that can link so-called digital piracy to negative impacts on sales of popular media. The ongoing “fight” is mere evidence that the current model of distribution for most popular media, along with the law protecting it, is antiquated and in need of heavy revision. It no longer works in the best interest of anyone at all really…
People are afraid of new ideas and always have been.
The truth is, the question of whether file sharing is “moral or not” is very subjective. It depends entirely on the intentions of the individual. One way of looking at it – In some countries, the law only punishes those who commit the act of file SHARING rather than those whom actively seek shared goods. If there is a middle ground at all, I don’t believe punishing individuals for accessing content available is the solution as they’re not the ones causing the problem.
I for one do not support raw piracy, but the ‘path of least resistance.’
Obtaining a new or hard to find album digitally is convenient, “green” and instantly gratifying. I think less often piracy happens because of the cost of the products but rather because there have been more innovations in stealing music than selling it!
Stop hiring lawyers and start hiring developers and you’ll see a lot more return on your investment.
I couldn’t agree more.
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Good finally
to many working under these rich developers are ending up in the streets
death penalty for all file sharing except for porn porn is everywhere now but
music and software should definitely be a serious offense no prison time just death to many people on this planet anyway so the offenders need to be put in front of firing squads and shot at point blank range.
it is the only way it will stop
I mean if you have seen the real serious damage it has done across multiple industries not limited to family suicides homelessness and murder all due to loss of wealth jobs
the death penalty will stop anyone from doing it in the future
otherwise it will still continue on into the next decade until everyone is out of business.
I am not trying to sound harsh but in some states like Texas if you walk into someones home and take their
TV x box jewelery and they catch you in the act and shoot you it is perfectly legal
and again like I have been saying before file sharing is on that same level you are slowly killing off or putting kids parents brothers sisters uncles grandparents aunts and cousins in the streets while you are safetly in your home laughing about it.
I was at a sports bar yesterday with some of my former employees it is a hangout for programmers tech guys and we were talking about the harsh economy so a guy had the nerve to come up to us and tried to sell us photoshop vista word and numerous other programs at a huge discount he had 20 dvd’s in his back pack his price was $200 for 20k in programs
I snapped and I smacked him in the head with beer glass then all hell broke lose he could fight but he was no match for 7 angry pissed off programmers and we all ganged up on him and beat him to a pulp
when the police showed up we explained what happened and he was arrested when they saw the dvd’s in his back pack he deserved it.
some of these down loaders are getting really brave now they are not happy that they got away with ripping programs and music they are out there trying to sell them in public at bars on the street corner craigslist anywhere they think they can make a sale
this could be the reason why file sharing is under fire more than ever.
@Sarge
C’mon it has NEVER WORKED nor WILL IT EVER. As usual in a sign of desperation copyright holders resort to the least common denominator.
People just adapt while copyright holders do not……
Sue KaZaA users they go to BitTorrent….
People then use VPN tunnels PRIVATE TRACKER SITES or simply use private DC++ hubs or shared FTP sites…….
Technology ALWAYS WINS in the end that’s why file-sharing lawsuits are doomed to fail.
BTW your example is just retarded I would have beat him up too for ripping people off they should just get it for free
“7 angry pissed off programmers?” …too funny.
“….some of these down loaders are getting really brave now they are not happy that they got away with ripping programs and music they are out there trying to sell them in public at bars on the street corner craigslist anywhere they think they can make a sale..” ……those are the same guys who’ve ALWAYS BEEN PIRATES they’re much different from FILE-SHARERS who are adamant that content be FREE.
I think this nonsense you speak is merely a symptom of the sluggish global economy. Nobody’s selling any pirated goods where I live here in San Diego Tijuana’s a different story though.
I was in Atlanta GA yesterday for a conference specifically Buckhead programmer heaven where many were recently laid off and they are pissed off.
up here anything goes and the laws go back to the 1800’s not a place to have the police on their radar.
and yes there are sellers on every street corner out here at least that is what I was told from the locals.
It is also known as “hustlers paradise”
Again tell me on how file sharing is not harmful
“from perez hilton”
Jermain Dupri is getting some heat in his hometown of Atlanta!
His restaurant Cafe Dupri has gone bust and former employees are claiming that they either were not paid or that checks issued to them by Dupri’s business people bounced.
It’s also been claimed that the restaurant shut its doors and left its employees jobless without any notice!
If that’s true how cruel!
Dupri’s momma managed the cafe on his behalf and when contacted by reporters she lashed out and said a business is only as good as its employees. If the employees who were complaining worked harder the restaurant might have done better.
Doesn’t momma Dupri sound a little defensive?
Dupri is cash poor record sales are in the hundreds of thousands instead of the millions
many label moguls like Dupri are trying to get their reality shows bought so that they can ride out this storm
problem is that there are so few time slots and way to many label moguls that are going broke by the minute”
To run a small label ?
you are looking at 100k a month on the low end
I imagine Dupri is spending 1MM a month trying to keep his empire afloat
and if 2.5MM a month is not coming in he will be out of business by the years end
he used to make over 30MM a year.
“…up here anything goes and the laws go back to the 1800’s”
“…at least that is what I was told from the locals. ”
“Hustler’s paradise?”
WTF? Maybe that’s why it took 7 of you and your friends to beat up one measly Vista slinging idiot you’re going off the hearsay of “locals?”
Sounds like bootleg copies of Vista is the LEAST of their problems in Atlanta…..wouldn’t you agree? I think authorities there have their hands full with REAL problems like drugs violence traffic etc. BTW who the hell would even want Vista let alone buy it?
The Internet means software piracy is GLOBAL the sooner you adapt to it the better. Unless you plan to inspect every single data packet transmitted between users it’s a losing battle.
So I guess you really want to go back to the iron age
if this file sharing keeps up that is where we will be in 10 years
this guy had a blu ray dvd it had over 200 programs not just vista he had every program out there including a few my company did
that is what set us off.
to bad his martial skills were not of much use ‘chuckle chuckle’
excuse me martial arts skills
Hey…I think I know that guy. Was he driving a suburban with a plasma TV in the back? Or was that you?
It’s just that something about that story sounds very familiar.
again tell me that file sharing is not harmful
this is from realestatestalker.com
Damon Dash is going broke
According to the venerable International Herald Tribune music mogul Damon Dash and his fashionista wifey Rachel Roy are facing foreclosure on a couple of Manhattan condos. Property records show the hip hopping couple own a dee-luxe doo-plex at the Atalanta building on N. Moore Street as well as a triplex penthouse located atop The Sugar Warehouse building on Laight Street.
According to property records reports and court filings the alliteratively blessed couple carries a whopping $7300000 mortgage on the N. Moore Street condo which is comprised of two combined units. Mortgage holder Eastern Savings Bank the entity that initiated the uglee foreclosure proceedings claims the couple were meant to be making monstrous monthly payments of $78500 a number that is larger than most people in this country make in an entire year.
Listing information shows that Mister and Missus Dash recently had the 2 bedroom and 2 bathroom Laight Street triplex on the market for $3650000 which would have put some paper in their pockets but the penthouse appears to have been taken off the market recently.
Your Mama can not fathom how a man who recently told New York Magazine that he estimated his net worth to be “around $50 million” could possibly find himself facing foreclosure but apparently and allegedy he is. Must be some kind of trouble in Mister Dash’s hip hop paradise. Or as we’re sure his people will proclaim it’s all just some sort of mistake that will be cleared up toot-suite.
Some of the children surely recall that Mister Dash sold his big Beverly Hills abode in May of 2007 for a reported $3600000.
Rhianna is also near bankruptcy with only $20000 in available funds.
@Sarge
Im sure none of it has to do with blowing it on Hummers and fancy clothes……
And “Iron Age?” C’mon your an intelligent guy think about that statement for a second. Information and data is FREELY SHARED that should be a benefit to mankind….and it means some are unable to make physical games or software that people buy in a store then maybe they should develop alternatives like Google (online software apid for by ad revenue) or MORPG where people pay for schwag…..
Quit crying already its 2008. do u really want to be repeating this nonsense in 10 years like the RIAA has already?
No soulxtc
Unfortunately these artists used to sell millions and millions of cd’s
now they are selling 80% less in stores
you all are stealing from the most dangerous violent criminals out there that would not bat an eye hurting those that steal from them
and they are at the end of their rope
all of you are opening up pandoras box
RIAA has been trying to keep that from happening but they have made a bad situation worse.
These label moguls run some of the most powerful street gangs in the world.
what would you do if 100 gangsters showed up at your front door ?
These guys command armies of thousands gangs in every city county throughout the world
They are crazzzzyy and very ruthless and violent and I am not talking about the mafia even the mafia is afraid of them I am talking about former black mexican white street dealers that rose to the top with their multi platnium artists
and now they are forced to go back to the hood and hustle and they do not want that life they want to live in the ivory tower and hang out with folks like me and my friends dine at fine restaurants own the high end cars and real estate and record sales was given them that kind of a life and now it looks like the ride is over.
They are not going to protest all they are going to do is find file sharers they are not hard to find and make an example out of them with violence and intimidation these moguls are far more of a nightmare than the worse bully at your high school.
they will keep it out of the papers and rumors will spread that file sharing is dangerous it will stop and then the music business will get back to profitability.
I do not know the timetable but there has been talk in the last week at just about every meeting I have been to they are trying to find a civil way to stop it but no one is listening so I suspect it will happen soon.
then again maybe they will give up and let this all go
but I doubt it as fighting and survival has always been in their blood
and they thrive on violence they love to hurt the weaker man
You’re an odd one Sarge so I’ll give you a little tale from yesteryear in the past there used to be things called ‘demos’ those ‘demos’ were used to promote various games and whatnot to potential customers however you know what happened? Companies realized that they could get more sales by not producing a demo and putting more money into hype creating an unintelligent purchase.
Now in my case I pull in software I might be interested in purchasing in the future and have done so on many occasions does that make me a felon for wanting a demo of what I’m going to buy and being an intelligent consumer?
How about trying to put out decent product at a decent price before whining about hip-hopping jivesters who don’t give two hoots about anyone but themselves and are getting burned from their lap of luxury.
Plus anyone with half a brain in the music industry knows artists don’t make money on CD sales they make them on tours and concerts with a bit of icing from product sales at the concerts as for the labels sorry but I’m not going to shed crocodile tears for those blighters they’ve been ripping people off since their conception and it’s about damn time the dog bit them in the ass for it.
no my friend you are wrong
cd sales are detrimental to a labels survival
if you were to work for one you would understand
this is a losing battle trying to let you guys know what is on the horizon
time will tell
@SArge
Again YOU ARE WRONG….vinyl sales are going up as are licensing mechanisms for internet radio satellite radio etc. not to mention the fact that they still should be receiving royalties from terrestrial radio.
The labels have to figure out a different way to market their music be it some sort of blanket licensing scheme where you pay your ISP 1o bucks a month lie u do cable and get unlimited music or other alternatives.
Recor labels no longer MANUFACTURE or DISTRIBUTE music like they did before since music has largely gone digital so its only logical they should be earning and making less revenue THEY’RE DOING LESS!
Many labels are doing just fine and the ones that do survive will have learned how to use the Internet to their advantage.
It’s illogical to presume that for the first time in history mankind will stop making music simply because it’s not profitable to sell compact discs. Its a BS argument and based on faulty logic. Bands will still TOUR – the heart and soul of music – and will still sell their music at shows for fans to show their support.
Funny I’ve yet to meet a computer scientist making less than $80 000 a year most I know make over $100 000. The ones that took a 2 year college course are making about $50 000 or more. I’m not sure who your friends are sarge but you must all be pretty pitiful not to be able to get decent paying jobs. You know what the first sign of a looser is they blame all their problems on the world.
he was no match for 7 angry pissed off programmers and we all ganged up on him and beat him to a pulp
heehaahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
Its really hard to take you seriously when you say things like that… and what exactly did your little story have to do with file-sharing? Sounds more like you wanted to give your ego a good boost..
With all the hype being created about rubbish products its good that file-sharing is around to save the customer.. Take hancock for example…
@MR
I know right? There’s plenty of job opportunities out there and I mean it’s not like game developers aren’t hiring Xbox 360 games alone are still flying of the shelves and the Wii? Fuggedda bout it.
@Villiby
I bet it was hilarious I wish I could’ve been there…………
/right punch
/left punch
/head butt
/kick to the groin
/gutshot
/beer bottle over pirates head
/asskickin
so you beat some guy to a pulp for selling pirated material?
you couldn’t just call the cops?
and you’re an educated programmer?
what backward redneck violent loser hellhole do you come from???????
I have been a recording artist for the last 30 years I am also part of a consortium and we own various mid level companies including software and music labels I have picked up programming skills along the way but I am more of a boss than the help.
I myself live well but I spend 10% maybe 20% at the most of my income on my lifestyle so instead of having 20 rolls royces I only have 2. instead of 100 mercedes I only have 4 and I only have 3 estates in LA 2 of which I rent out and instead of buying a private jet I rent one from time to time mostly I fly first class now if file sharing had not existed ? I would have a lot more of everything which I did at one time.
I will admit that most of these hip hop moguls did set themselves up for long term failure when they were spending over 50% of their revenue on themselves their entourages and their companies just to show whose boss and then they would borrow and leverage themselves to the hilt when times got rough because they knew they were going to sell millions of records on their new batch of artists like they had done so many times before in the past
recession proof right ?
problem was this time it did not happen
they forgot about one thing
file sharing and itunes
you also have to keep in mind that the payday they were expecting this year was to come from record sales tours movies from 5 years ago in the record business a full cycle for revenue from artists is 5 years in movies it is 8 years.
So with that said
None of them could for see what has transpired in 2008 and they are in shock and awe to say the least when instead of getting billions in revenues they only got a couple hundred million overall.
When cd’s sold for 16.99 record labels used to make $9 a record and overall sales in the hundreds of millions units generating billions in revenue
now they make $4 a record and sell under a million for the top top artists and the average artists sell around 200k copies
their overall sales have dipped to below 100 million a year since 2002 ?
that is including downloads
for example when linkin park sold 15 million records 9 years ago now they are selling 1MM tops how can they stay in business ? It explains why their manager is trying to sell his place he has to downsize.
as for the bar incident I feel bad about it now that I am sober and had time to think about it but then again this kid and many others like him are killing the future of this world.
Also as far as you trying out our programs to see if you like it that is fine but back in the day when people were forced to buy software we had record numbers in sales similar to what oil companies are now having so we were able to rapidly expand buy more buildings and hire more staff programmers executives buy more private jets lavish homes for the top employees to live in with their families those were truly the salad days.
Now our sales are dismal and so our companies are 10% of what they used to be it is a very sad picture indeed.
So you can not blame me for hating file sharing.
btw I come from the oil fields of Texas yee haw !!!!
Everyone:
It is my opinion that poster “sarge2004″ is a troll or an employee of the RIAA. Isn’t it obvious?
sarge2004 is the BIGGEST ASS I have heard on the net in a long time….
Sarge is in my opinion a reverse troll make ridiculous statements to get a return of logical ones. This forces a social change where people think the big wigs are ass backwards and things need to change towards more consumer protection. It makes it really easy to pull off when the big wigs really are ass backwards also makes it hard to tell if it really is a reverse troll.
Like I said before
filesharing is decimating the world economy
I do not work for the RIAA I own companies with others that put out products that file sharers are stealing from and it has to stop
file sharers need to be declared enemy combatants terrorists they should be without a country
and the real problem here is that the damage they do is not known for at least 5 years
file sharers are like the unseen termites eating away slowly at homes until there is nothing left and it takes years to do amount of damage.
I know it because me and my partners have lost millions and millions of dollars to file sharing and we just found out this year the extent of the damage.
I have a question
in your opinion how many file sharers are there out there now ? I imagine over a billion maybe more ?
Guess what those billions of people are not all customers. Your companies could succeed if you understood the markets. If you can’t adjust your plans in the 5 years in which problems start to arise your company deserves to have crumbled. To be honest sarge I’ve never met such a buffoon in my life the fact that you found success can only attest to how inflated your market was. Now that things are starting to get competitive you can’t keep your head above water. That’s what happens in all industry those that can’t cut it die.
@Sarge
“filesharing is decimating the world economy?” – OMG u are serious. The only thing be decimated is the wallets of overpriced record label execs.
BTW sarge here is what a competent company does when markets start changing
http://www.nexon.net/
http://www.nexon.net/
yes they are taking a multi billion dollar industry and turning it into a multi million dollar industry
very brilliant
Even tho most video games companies like Nexon never make billions I’ll humor you sarge. When you have a market and you charge a certain price and someone else comes around and undercuts you thats a sign your charging too much. If you have in the past made a ton of money and someone comes around willing to make less charge less and undercut you thats called competing. If you don’t understand these fundamentals of economics you shouldn’t be in the game. Laws shouldn’t be made to help protect bad business men if you can’t cut it your out. As you have kindly pointed out numerous big wigs have hit it big and died and the market survives.
@ Sarge First of all if companies charged a fair price for movies music & games people would not see the need to share with one another. Secondly sharing is not stealing! How much money do you think you should make? Enough is enough! Two Rolls Royce s? I don’t feel one bot sorry for your candy ass! Your so-called industry is based upon fear & greed. The very business mode of sales & distribution is outdated & is causing the industry most of it’s woes. How dare you threaten people with death 7 violence just so you can turn a buck? Burn in HELL monster! This is changing as people wake to reality. Sharing is caring. Sharing makes the world a better place.
What I am saying is that nexon is one of the many that is taking a multi billion dollar gaming industry and reducing it to ashes
If thats what they are doing than the industry is inflated. They are taking a product realizing they can make a decent profit and taking that opportunity. If you make too big of an overhead and charge too much for your product others will come by and take over the market. That is how the market works. The only way to compete with a higher price is to offer either more value/better service or the perception of such. Otherwise you just have to learn to live in the market at the price its worth not the value you would like it to be worth.
Sorry mean to say the only way to compete with a higher priced product is to offer …
Starwhite lets forget about my material possessions for a second
we were employing thousands of employees with real salaries real jobs real lives they were able to raise families there was infrastructure communities now it is all gone and we were charging a fair price the problem is that most of you want FREE software and music so how can we survive with that mentality ?
also there is no hell
earth is heaven and hell
at the rate you are going I know you are going to be in hell very soon as you are getting smacked in the head by a phone book at police headquarters as you are trying to explain your reasoning on why stealing is okay to do.
file sharing is destroying lively hoods putting folks on the street so who is the monster eh ?
There is absolutely no way file sharing will ever be stopped because there are too may people sharing. This has permanently changed the industry. It will NOT go back to the good old days when they can charge as much as they want for a music CD. They might pull down a few P2P sites but they always come back. I do not care how many thugs pop out of the woodwork. Sooner or later even the crooked politicians they have bought off are exposed as well. This causes the public to lose even more respect for them.
We are also gettting home addresses and numbers from the ip addresses we have obtained from shareza limewire rapidshare
which in some countries we will turn over to collection agencies so if you get a call from a collection agency demanding payment
it may be from us
This file sharing will end very soon
@ Sarge2004 Technology changes if you can’t change with it then you should get out. Instead you come in here & try N scare people with threats of violence & death. Fact is people have ALWAYS been unhappy the majority of the price of music movies & games. SO we decided to share as technology made it possible. IF I buy a copy its mine & if i can share it I choose to. These family’s out of work need to go & get a new job the FREE ride is over the public has spoken you people may actually have to ’sing for your supper’ as in the old days! Get used it chump. You may kill a few of us but you cannot stop us all! Up your ass with bought off back stabbing politicians & copyrights they don’t work. A new business mode is needed that is fair for one & all. That is reality.
If to many people are embarrassed in front of their families I am sure it will stop overnight
@Sarge2004 so you believe you can violate people’s civil liberties? This ain’t over yet sucker. I’ll see your ass in court! As we speak I am sharing lots of music movies and oh so many games! And if your so called RIAA Mafia succeeds in killing me as you have threatened to do so be sure to turn me over so you can kiss my ass!
@Sarge
“We are also gettting home addresses and numbers from the ip addresses we have obtained from shareza limewire rapidshare.”
UH crap crap and crap….if anything you should be suing them for using such malware infested programs you’re doing them a favor actually.
Good luck with newsgroups and BitTorrent though buddy! Arrrrrrrrrrrr!
I am not going to kill anyone hitting someone pn the head with a beer glass is far different than killing
we live in a civil world now so at best we can have an arrest made if that.
but I have no doubt that your freedoms are going to get decimated as more and more of you are caught red handed and it is clearly seen to the govt officials how big of a problem that this has really become.
ISP’s are starting to give in and provide home addresses and phone numbers under the table so at least that is a start for us
why should we spend millions and millions of dollars to make great entertainment for you and your friends just to give it away
not logical
and the faster way to stop this is to assign collection agencies to every file sharer out there it is the easiest the cheapest and the most efficient solution.
sure there are a few dead beats but I know there has to be at least a billion of honest moral folks who would rather buy music or software at our set prices than be caught by us and exposed to their husband wife kids parents grandparents ever again.
file sharing is stealing no matter which way you slice it and it is a pretty shameful dishonest crime and those that do it need to pay up and be shamed in front of their loved ones so that it will not happen again so when this operation is put into motion the collection agencies will be calling file sharers every half hour until they pay up so we hope that will be enough to stop it permanently.
and when file sharing is no longer in existence you will see as the artists cd’s are back up to 18 a pop they are selling over 5 million records you will have new copies of rolling stones aerosmith prince michael jackson linkin park
and millions more will be employeed at better salaries as software companies are back to making record profits and they can share the wealth with everyone
I imagine this will all occur in 3 years ?
any site bit torrent news groups all have logs that have ip addresses in them they never vanish even spoofed addresses can be dissected.
give it time you will see
@ Sarge2004 Since when did the government become involved with problems in the private sector with a companies profit margin? Hmm MAYBE since you guys unfairly & illegally payed them off? HUGE campaign contributions unfair copyright extensions to inhibit fair usage by the public such as the ‘Bono Act? You think? Who is really the bad guy here gouging the shit out of everyone? SO you decide to pick on the private sector the people who made your fortunes eh? So you criminalize everyone. QUOTE: At the top of all this is the rigged outdated and unfair structure of current intellectual property laws all of them in need of massive reform in the wake of the digital era. These laws allow the labels to maintain their stranglehold on music copyrights and they allow the RIAA to sue the pants off of any file-sharing grandmother they please. Since the labels are owned by giant corporations with a great deal of money power and political influence the RIAA is able to lobby politicians and government agencies to manipulate copyright laws for their benefit. The result is absurdly disproportionate fines and laws that in some cases make file sharing a heftier charge than armed robbery. This is yet another case of private corporate interests using political influence to turn laws in the opposite direction of the changing values of the people. Or as this very smart assessment from a record executive described it: “a clear case of a multinational conglomerate using its political muscle to the disadvantage of everyone but itself.” But shady political maneuvers and scare tactics are all the RIAA and other anti-piracy groups have left because people who download music illegally now number in the hundreds of millions and they can’t sue everyone. At this point they’re just trying to hold up what’s left of the dam before it bursts open. Their latest victim is Oink a popular torrent site specializing in music. Unquote Here is the rest of the article I copied this excerpt from: http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when-pigs-fly-death-of-oink-birth-of.html
“ISP’s are starting to give in and provide home addresses and phone numbers under the table”…..uh not in the US they’d be sued into oblivion.
The French always surrender so thats nothign new but the UK well wait till people find out that ISPs may disconnect them based on evidence from a biased business concern.
It’ll just go further underground. Has already started to just look at the rise in VPN tunnel subscriptions.
“why should we spend millions and millions of dollars to make great entertainment for you and your friends just to give it away?”
Huh? GOOD MOVIES do just fine GOOD GAMES do just fine and lone behold GOOD ALBUMS do just fine.
“and when file sharing is no longer in existence?” How can u stop private individuals from connecting to one another on the Internet? U CAN’T! So long as people can share data they can share music.
And whats with all the linkin Park nonsense? Now I know u have no clue they had a decent album in years.
“shamed in front of their loved ones so that it will not happen again?”
Pfft yah Im sure they’ll be real ashamed.
Face it you’re an apparently crappy programmer who’s resorted to blaming TEENS using Limewire (yuck) for your lack of employment.
Pretty sad Sarge Pretty friggin sad.
“can share the wealth with everyone?”…..so let me get this straight. They take more money from us to then share it with everybody? Its take from us to give to them silly.
Just as it was sad that it took 7 of you and your buddies to beat up on one guy you and your buddies are trying to inspect every single piece of data that crosses the Internet to make sure you don’t have to go find a real job.
The bottom line is file-sharing will always be around. Get over it.The sooner you find a new job the sooner you and your programmer bullies can stop beating up some poor guy who’s sadly resorted to slinging software in a bar. I’d like to see you and your idiot buddies try and jump me or anybody I know for file-sharing.
Capture IP addresses? How do you plan on getting access to EVERY SINGLE SWARM? Its impossible and in case anonymity is around the corner anyways…http://anomos.info/wp/
(remember that pesky technology thing?)
http://anomos.info/wp/
that is true we cannot sue hundreds of millions of file sharers but we can have letters sent to their homes we can have collection agencies call them
the government is getting involved because they are asking us
“why are your tax returns 90% off and we say file sharing”
“why can’t you contribute to our favorite charities ? and we say file sharing”
we make a product and we need your money to expand our industries the government needs our money for their own interests and when business drops by 70%- 90% there is no money to pay for military jets helicopters weapons or ships for starters and that is when the government steps in and new laws are created.
They are starting to really believe us on how serious this problem is and they are starting to act on it finally music was not such a big deal to them but software ? that got their interest.
Governments are not interested in those companies that are making millions a year but when you are making billions a year and paying a large amount of it in taxes through your employees salaries you are now of vital importance to national security in any country and that government is now your new best friend.
simple economics
“why are your tax returns 90% off and we say file sharing”
“why can’t you contribute to our favorite charities ? and we say file sharing” Who’s saying this? Its only you and your thug programmer buddies.
Bottom line? You cant prevent individual users from connecting to one another. The rage in fact these days are HDD parties where people get together with booze and break out their 1TB HDD to swap movies games and music…..have any plans for that as well?
Exactly.
“we make a product and we need your money to expand our industries?” Huh there are more music artist than ever more video game consoles and manufacturers than ever AND Hollywood has been making record profits each year since 2004.
What are you trying to expand? Jacuzzzis of CEOS and VP?
/conversation
Time for the gym.
and yes you are right about the spoofing of ip addresses
but maybe only 1% are as smart as you the rest just follow the leader like you off the cliff into the volcano and they are the ones we will nail and they will be the ones that will pay.
Despite of what you think the US is on our side now and a lot if not all of these operations will be in blackout mode.
again I am not a programmer
you can think of me as a guy that is championing this cause for the little guy who has no money is broke getting ripped over and over again by folks like you and everyone else in denial at the harm they are doing.
We have no problem in people sharing we have a problem in them stealing and that is what file sharing is stealing
you are right we cannot prevent someone from loaning a 20 dollar store bought HD dvd to their friends but we can prevent them from stealing a 900 dollar software program off the net and making 20 copies for their friends to use.
our objective is to create a shock and awe situation with a magnitude that is so great that file sharing will be known for decades as a subject that is completely taboo like cocaine back in the day cocaine was legal and everyone was using it including housewives
why ?
because no one knew the dramatic effects the drug would have on the economy and society in general
now if file sharing was reduced down to lets say 100000 users we would not care but a billion users ?
the money lost from them has now put us on the warpath.
You will never get people to think Cocaine = Filesharing because their is an inherent difference between the two. Cocaine has horrible adverse health affects file sharing does not. If cocaine didn’t have adverse heath affects it would be sold all over the place but it does so it isn’t. No one cares if you think filesharing is harming an industry every independent study has said otherwise and most consumers are smart enough to realize that fact. Most consumers are smart enough to realize they would of never bought the $900 piece of software if the only way for them to obtain it was to buy it.
okay
I am done you all have been warned
let the fireworks begin
I think I get it now although I do not agree
Id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead says PC manufacturers see game piracy as a “hidden benefit.”
“I think that there’s been this dirty little secret among hardware manufacturers” Hollenshead told GamesIndustry.biz.
“The perception of free content — even if you’re supposed to pay for it on PCs — is some sort hidden benefit that you get when you buy a PC like a right to download music for free or a right to download pirated movies and games.”
His comments follow a string of interviews in recent months with many members of the id team all of which cite PC game piracy as the key factor behind the company’s decision to shift focus to a more console-oriented business model despite id’s strong roots in the PC gaming scene.
@sarge
So you are an RIAA guy? Figures…
“but maybe only 1% are as smart as you?” …C’mon R u serious? It’s not that hard.
actually only about 1% even have the ability to know how to unrar a file they know how to make a crack work
the others just follow the instructions given.
and no I am not RIAA
another victim of file sharing
Swizz Deadbeatz
Posted Aug 21st 2008 11:32AM by TMZ Staff
How do we know Swizz Beatz is a pretty big deal in the music biz? He’s baller enough to owe almost $900K in taxes.
The IRS records show there’s a tax lien of $842644.52 against Swizz (real name Kasseem Dean) and his estranged wife Mashonda. By comparison former NFL legend Bernie Kosar owes $228K and Mini-Me has a $300K lien.
We put in a call to Violator Management but haven’t heard back yet.
This is when the music and software industry was on the edge of destruction
to bad it took 7 years to show the true losses
Music Was Easier When It Was Free
Brad King Email 06.29.01
The first online subscription service that offers major label music will launch near the end of the summer.
Then a few months later another subscription service will roll out. Then another. And another.
By the end of the year no fewer than 11 companies are expected to offer subscription services. None will offer music from all five major labels. None will offer unlimited listening. Many won’t allow consumers to burn their music onto a CD.
Some might not even launch.
Those that do will leave intrepid music fans facing the very real possibility of signing up and paying for multiple subscription services that when they try to buy an album or look up a band they like oftentimes will return search results with the same response: not found.
“The economics of the music industry remain unprepared to provide unlimited access to anything” Webnoize analyst Ric Dube wrote in an e-mail. “Marketing campaigns will emphasize artists not labels but the prospects of paying for a service that provides access to just 60 percent of music is monumentally unattractive to consumers.”
@ Sarge2004 I’ll bet your eyes are brown am I right? Its been proven that people do not like DRM infested music. It will fail miserably.
another victim of file sharing
http://www.villacabrera.com/?look=MLS
This is more posts than Ive ever seen. Unfortunately about 75% of the messagse are just Sarge responding to his own stuff.
@Josef
Im inclined to ban him…..his argument is so stupid it lacks all credibility. He’s using “Ric Dube”and Swissbeatz(?) as examples of his odd argument.
You’re not going to convince anybody here Sarge so give it a rest won’t you?
@sarge2004
Sarge this is the General. Get down and give me twenty pushups on the double. Seriously for an overweight balding computer programmer you have a lot to learn still (not ironically) about real life if you think that our economic troubles would be solved by stopping the pirating of media. Hey by the way theres this thing going on that is funneling hundred of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollers out of the country annually called the Iraq war.
The only way to save the entertainment industry (which isnt worth saving if you ask me) is for media to be produced to the public for free and paid for by advertising (like air television).
Hang on a second let me pull out my crystal ball…………….
Dont worry your “sit at a desk and burn no calories” aka “work/job” will be safe in the future as tech corporations will be unable to sell their software to the general public (we will have all switched to linux) and will begin to be absorbed as tech wings (developing in house software) into companies that provide tangible products.
Unfortunately the republicans with the help of their secret allies the democrats will have deregulated and bankrupted our government which will be operated “in trust/outsourced” to the coporate aristocracy (who will continue to nominate their own for elections as they do now). Money will get more tight (after all greed has no cure) for most but not for those of who sell their soul (yes that would be you the “company man”). Eventually you will not be able to tell the diffrence between our own third world country and those we visit on vacation (think south america or southeast asia but without the tropical weather). Think it wont happen? just ponder the 1950s for a minute remember back then only the husband had to work in order to pay the bills.
So tell your friend with the gun in his mouth because he cannot find a tech job to hold on because his options are not 1) ditch digger or 2) death anymore (seriously you tech geeks need to suck it up and place your identity in something other than a job psst a “job” is what you have to do followed by fun at quitten time).
Oh and get a life d*&^%#bag nobody should be commenting 84 times in one opinion thread. sheesh.
I dont see any reason to ban him. I dont even believe anything hes saying is true. If he has all this money hes not spending time on Zeropaid dot com posting crap all day long. Only students and the unemployed have that kind of time on their hands.
All Sarge uses is fear and intimidation much like the MPAA & the RIAA against us the very people who made their fortunes. They have criminalized their best customers in a frenzy of greed & wide spread corruption. Suing grandmothers buying politicians. Their goal is to make file sharing worse than rape and murder. These people are totally lost in a frenzy of greed and hate and do not understand what file sharing is. What they cannot understand is that their method of distribution & profit is simply not realistic. The whole business model needs to be overhauled big time. Instead these dinosaurs will waste their time & money with even more copyrights corrupt politicians passing draconian laws & even more fear & intimidation & violence & probably even murder hoping to bring back the good ole days when they can charge as much as they want for a music CD. Sarge2004 suck my balls!
Holy blue bloody ‘ell you are chatty.
Ok you know what’s funny I already said I’m not going to shed crocodile tears for the labels as far as I’m concerned they’re outdated and have yet to realize it.
Now as for the ‘demos’ spiel of mine that you oh so gracefully glazed over what’s wrong with it hmm? what’s wrong with being an educated consumer rather than a pig at the slop tray that your buddies have in the past filled with plastic wrapped crap.
As for music I’m an effing Canuck I pay levies on EVERY recordable media I purchase for legitimate purposes or not so you can’t point your nasty little finger at me for doing EXACTLY what I am allowed to do while you collect the bloody profits from the levies not to mention the fact that I have… eccentric tastes in music that near to nothing in North America has produced since the late 90’s.
Here’s a good example Sins of a Solar Empire do you know how long it took me to go from playtest to purchase? Less than a week of deliberation in fact while I was playing it I was saying I had to pick it up However I still haven’t unwrapped my purchase because it’d be a waste of time to re-install the software that’s right I’m running the copy I had already while leaving the original SEALED.
Here’s a counter-example I played the new Sam & Max game released by the adventure company I loved it then saw another title by the same release company and figured ‘Why not’ and was horribly burned if anyone has an inkling to buy Dead Reefs my advise is to steer clear and save your money.
There are VERY FEW games I buy on release name alone ATLUS comes to mind aside from that there really isn’t any other publisher of games that has had a constant high-quality release rate from my experience unfortunately I cannot afford/find a lot of ATLUS games here in the ‘peg but when I see them and I have some spare cash and I don’t already own it I pick it up (giving Persona 3 a hard stare for a while actually.)
Anyways my point is you’re woeing over the fact that you don’t have the pigs at the trough anymore because they’ve wizened up a bit so instead of churning out sub-standard software/movies/music/etc. try sinking some money into making decent product and a fair price and you’ll find that people are willing to pay for it.
Mord I wish there were more like you at least you are willing to pay and have paid but 99% want free
and to everyone else I am not fat and bald and again I am not a programmer
I am on here because I am on vacation and I feel the need to protest privately.
other than that you will not hear from me in a few days because you are right I do not have the time to comment on here as I am way to busy running what is left of my empire in the real world.
@Sarge
Again some of us DO PAY for STUFF WE LIKE.
Sarge most file sharers still buy products they feel warrant a purchase they just download stuff they wouldn’t have ever bought had it cost them anything. Personally I own a legitimate copy of Vista about 53 legitimate copies of video games. Most of the office apps I use are free or open source so those aren’t stolen either. You want a list of those open office paint.net gimp 7-zip avast etc… To be honest I used to download allot more then I do now although you make me want to download more in the hopes I download your software. When I was younger I didn’t have the money to buy the games I wanted so I downloaded them or rented and burnt them. Now I do have the money to buy them so I buy the ones I think warrant the purchase and those that don’t I might download. The last game I downloaded rather than bought was oblivion and I’m glad because its a glitchy ass game that should of never been released. So anyway your still an idiot sarge and don’t understand your industry.
again a the very few buy and the multitudes by the hundreds of millions get it for free
That’s where you are wrong sarge if you bothered to read any independently run studies you would know that file sharing has no significant effect on sales. In fact heavy file sharers are also the biggest consumer of intellectual property. Here is a study done by a London company for the Canadian government. http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/en/h_ip01456e.html they found no negative or positive impact by file sharing on music. They did however find that people who download allot of music generally bought allot of music too. Another study done by Harvard similar results http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf there are some more. The only ones that support the fact that their is a direct correlation are those that were funded by the music industry and few scholars agreed with the findings. So I have to say sarge your views aren’t well supported by the data.
yea well they are full of it the harmful effects of file sharing are not prevalent for at least 5 years
tell them to do a new study and they will now admit that they were wrong harmful file sharing started in 2003 ? they need to do a new study and publish that report for 2008
Canadian study was done in 2006 they only represent music its hard to find ones on software and film piracy. Most experts we’re in agreement that movie game and software piracy wasn’t all that rampant its starting up a little more now however. My belief is that the data should be similar for other media but that could be wrong. If I have some free time I will do a bit more research on the effects. Anyway they aren’t full of shit theirs been numerous different studies that have given the same results. You can deny it to yourself all you want the data is the data. Many people are trying to remove civil liberties without any just cause thats the facts. Until there is a reason to lock down copyright we shouldn’t strong copyright stifles innovation and competition and that has long been known to economists. That doesn’t mean we should have no copyright and patent laws but they should be as sparse as possible.
I think filesharing is leading us into a Star Trek-like library system. I mean just think you can call up whatever song book movie etc. whenever. This is the future folks and is what I think a majority of people want. I hate to say it usually the majority wins even when the majority doesn’t hold the most $$$. Google is on the right track with the book project. Also with the Open Source trend it’s going to be even easier to obtain things free and legal which the commercial industry will never be able to defeat.
Yes the economy sucks but filesharing is not the cause. The economy is a result of banks giving out mortgages to people who couldn’t afford it gas prices 9/11 War in Iraq the current Administration. There might be a minimal effect on the economy but not as widespread as RIAA MPAA or the other biggies want us to believe. Filesharing has been around longer than people realize granted not as widespread. I mean I consider people swapping/copying cassette tapes a form of it.
I think RIAA and their people are just comfortable in their ways and like many humans don’t like change. Well change is a part of life. They might be able to slow it down but will never completely eliminate it. They feed this doom and gloom about the economy as propaganda to convince us that it’s the direct cause of the economy when it’s not.
BTW just think about when our generation (which the majority think filesharing is good) start getting into government positions. I think there will be a significant change when we get there.
I understand but a 70-90% drop in revenue brings to question the credibility of these studies
I would not be surprised if those that did the studies are file sharer advocates themselves
If you think so sarge dissect their study and find the fault. The methodology used is documented the reasoning behind their thought process is listed and the formulas used to test their hypothesis is shown. If you or anyone else wants to challenge its validity they are free to do so.
I would not know where to start and I do not have the time like I said before time will tell
But you have the time to post 40-60 odd messages on a file sharing news site?
As an artist it would be absurd at this point to not support file-sharing. If file-sharing never existed I wouldn’t be creating what the RIAA calls “Intellectual Property” Some artists like myself can’t thank file-sharing enough for making careers for creativity. Guess I am a “victim” of file-sharing – I don’t know how I’ll survive with all this newfound fame. Guess I’ll just have to keep driving forward in the 21st century.
Hey; Drew I’ve been meaning to ask you what band/musician name do you go by when not on ZP?
Drew you are not that good and I am saying this in the nicest way possible
You clearly have not paid your dues
You are putting yourself out there way to early
This is a very serious business and guys like you are cheapening it
sure maybe you are a star on here but in the real world what have you done ?
any placement on TV Film ? major placements that pay at least 2k for a sync fee
placements on student films or public access tv do not count.
any shows where you alone packed out the clubs ?
are you a pro member with BMI ASCAP ?
are you collecting royalties from your work ?
if not you are among a million artists that think they are stars but they cannot sell their songs to the masses and they are hitting us up for deals every day of the weeks.
We do not take submissions unless it is by an attorney manager agent or someone we have made money with and who we respect we only want to hear polished professional record quality material that we can put on the radio tomorrow your mixes alone really need work.
Your music has to be on the level same playing field as tiesto dj sasha digweed BT paul oakenfold
maybe you should look them up and they may inspire you to get better
on a scale of 1-10 you are a 2 so you have a long long way to go
it is not your fault
myspace and other sites are giving you a chance to come out before you are ready if you have sold 150000 downloads of your records at $7 a pop that is a major feat for any artist without a budget or a deal but of course giving away music does not count
if you were that good you would be on MTV VH1 by no
and to the others I am on vacation / retired so I have a lot of free time on my hands and you all have a point I talked to my colleagues about getting an independent study done and we are thinking about doing it although it will cost millions it may be worth it but here is the question
first off
We know what the outcome will be so again
if the study proves that file sharing is harmful to sales in music and software do you think people will stop doing it ?
If we do a mass marketing ad campaign across the globe that will no doubt cost us tens of millions do you think people
will stop doing it ?
If we prove without a shadow of a doubt that file sharing is killing the world economy do you really believe that 98% of those file sharing will stop ?
honestly ?
and if file sharing does go on as usual why should we spend close to a hundred million to start for TV myspace and youtube airtime to prove a point if it will not really make a difference ?
kid rock dr dre metallica li nkin park and many others have already tried to protest over the last few years and it fell on deaf ears
why would our way be any different ?
Drew just to get you started
http://www.djtiesto.com
that is who file sharers are stealing from
tiesto
not drew wilson
SARGE2004 you are assuming that if people couldnt download these things for free they would go out and buy them for these high prices you and your friends charge at the store. well thats not the case i for one wouldnt waste my money on over priced cd’s that have maybe 1 or 2 goods songs or take a chance and pay $50 for a game that sucks. when i spend money i buy new firearms something that will always be valuable and useful unlike bad music and bad games. so cry me a river about you rich people running out of money boo hoo.
@ Sarge2004 Again dude sharing is not stealing! Despite your obviously limited scope of vision file ’sharing’ is not responsible for the financial woes suffered in the World economy. It seems that the record industry has an overinflated idea of what their product is actually worth. Once again (wearily like telling a child something over & over) if you guys offered a product at a fair price & quality people would eat it up like gourmet f*cking food!
Haha. “When I want to buy something useful I buy firearms”. Fucking crazy. Some reneck stockpiling munitions in his shed arguing with some other redneck who may or may not also be a survivalist black UN helicopter-fearing inbred lunatic. Hillarious.
Anyway I always find these “file sharing isnt hurting anyone” arguments bizarre. Of course its hurting sales. The day I got the internet is the day I stopped buying games porn movies and music. And Im in the vast majority here.
I hope that file sharing is destroying the industry and the system at large. Then we can borrow some guns from Vampyre Blade’s mountain retreat march on Washington and create a society based on need rather than profit.
@ Sarge2004 LOOk at comment 88 why not consider releasing singles again? A BIG thing people HATE is having to buy a whole album for one or two songs they really want: bring singles back or let people pick N choose what they like. You gotta be flexible. Treating your customers as criminals is not going to work period. The world hates the record industry for this. Stop suing people for downloading! It makes you look bad. It WILL NEVER be like the ‘good ole days’ where you can charge as much as you want for a CD again. The business model needs a complete overhaul. Do these things & you will prosper. Fair product fair price & NO DRM. Be Ipod friendly people will respond. Again criminilizing your customers is a BAD idea! L i s t e n to what i am saying!
Josefstalin first off i am not a redneck as much as you would like to believe so collecting firearms is a hobbie many people do. second i wouldnt loan them out too anyone third i dont have a mountain retreat. you need to open your mind your narrow view of firearm owners is very liberal democrat. you must be an obama man.
Starwhite very well thought out point.
Hey Sarge you claim to be recording artist with 30 years under your belt. You must be famous so why not have the courage to tell us who you are? You see I’m thinking your views particularly the nasty ones that are aimed at filesharers “killing” families would make for a very interesting Rolling Stone article. It’s certainly better than taking a soapbox stance behind an online handle on a random website. Clearly you have a strong opinion on this considering you only own one Rolls-Royce instead of twelve. I’d like to see you address a real music community with your views and comments (love the one about taking a gun and killing someone downloading a song). Or are you under the impression that long standing music enthusiasts exclusively purchase CD’s? What are you thoughts on music services such as Zune? I pay only $15 per month and literally download hundreds of mainstream albums. Is Microsoft harming the industry as well?
sarge i am from an underdeveloped country will they catch me too ??? boohoo… sarge suck on my salty balls. hehe…
Revealing my name would open me up to frivolous lawsuits from my posts alone
Rolling Stone and other magazines have done many articles on file sharing to no avail.
For what it is worth singles are out all over the place they have been for years
I also understand where everyone is coming from so in conclusion
if you want artists like drew wilson or companies like http://www.nexon.net to provide you with crappy entertainment continue on with file sharing
if you want games like metal gear solid 4 or music artists like tiesto dj sasha you and others will stop
it is that simple
I would say within in another 3 years you will see a blackhole in fine entertainment thanks to file sharing
while amateurs are trying to give away for free their average games and music
so it is up to you
Sarge you are assuming there is only one business model for music – you shouldn’t delude yourself into thinking this. I wouldn’t like being on MTV for the simple fact that everything on MTV I’ve seen is absolute garbage. You don’t have to be in an ad or be in an official music album for a major motion picture to be famous. File-sharing has given me the unique opportunity to push the envelope above and beyond what local resources can even dream of doing.
Also you are the very first person out of thousands who have commented on my music to speak down on it. Combined with your other condenscending comments I’m quite convinced it is out of spite and not out of professional or honest personal opinion.
As for comparing me to Tiesto I’ve met plenty of people in the trance scene who actually do not like Tiesto. Does that make their opinions of the music he produces any more or less valid? Obviously you don’t thoroughly do your homework anyway or you would know that I also produce music that is not Trance music as well. Before you make the comparison there are plenty of people who dislike Pendulum as well. It’s a matter of opinion – nothing more and nothing less. FYI I’ve already had a European organizer ask if I was touring at all – so there are those who think positively on what I’m doing.
Furthermore can you simply gague whether ZZTop is better than Dragonforce metallica (older or newer stuff) Coldplay li nkin Park etc.? Not really because ZZTop is technically blues and there are many st yles of rock/me tal/etc. and it would be like comparing a ferrari to a cement truck. Is Deadmau5 better than Above and Beyond? It’s completely different st yles. Is Darude’s latest album (Label This!) better than M83? How can you compare it? Is Rob D better than DJ Eco because Rob D was featured on The Matrix? Comparison is faulty at best.
To answer your question of whether or not I packed a club I packed a live show and did to live work. The experience is quite amazing.
You claim that 150000 (actually the number is 160000 at this point now) downloads don’t count but clearly you think that the only thing that counts is what will get monetary gain. This completely flies in the face the fact that musicians want to be heard and the more people who are hearing your music the more you are known. The more you are known the more likely they are to thank you later. I’m happy to create music for free and I will eventually give people the option to pay me what they feel is fair if they feel like supporting me beyond listening to my music but again it’s strictly optional. I have always felt that if you are going to treat your fans like criminals you don’t deserve fans at all. If you think this is not a business model you don’t need to look further than FireFox which is the web browser rivaling Microsoft. If you want another example Microsoft is struggling against Linux in the server industry. Linux OS adoption is on the rise. If you’re assumptions of the idea that the only way to move forward in the content industry is to close source everything and do it all for monetary gain is true the open content industry shouldn’t even exist right now. Sorry but not only is it existing it’s also flourishing against companies who think like you do.
I’m not saying you have to be open minded about it all I’m saying it’s foolish to criticise others for thinking differently about todays world. I have interviewed a record company that started up and I asked the owner why in the face of supposed slides in record sales in the record industry is she starting a record company she looked right back at me and told me that if there is any fall in the record sales it’s for the major record labels. Meanwhile the small and indipendent music producers have a new lease on life because of things like the internet allowing people to promote themselves without the need to sell out to a major record label just to hope to get into the spotlight.
Again go ahead and say people who think differently are wrong but I think you’ll find as you no doubt seen on here that there will be plenty who will disagree with that opinion and have the ability to back that up with evidence.
@Mord Sith – I produce under the name ‘Frozen IceCube’. You can Google Frozen IceCube eMule and it should be the first result.
I’m in the process of producing a couple of songs right now actually and am hoping to get some new content out there by the end of the month (fingers crossed!)
I would say within another three years survivors of this industry holocaust you describe will realize that the traditional CD is obsolete and offer digital music to consumers at a fair price. You made a comment about CD prices being raised back to the standard $18 price tag once filesharers get what’s coming to them. Have you considered the possibility that the high cost of these discs may have played a factor into the demise of your revenue?
You didn’t answer my question regarding very appealing approaches to digital distribution such as Zune Pass. Personally I don’t upload or download music illegally. $15 per month for DRM protected content is fair in my opinion. And you take as much music as you want. I don’t like burning or storing music CDs. Listening through my PC or Zune player works for me. Again my own preference.
BTW you can stop coming off like some “deepthroat” character warning us of our impending doom. If you’re as ingrained within the industry as you claim you shouldn’t have a problem revealing yourself. This boils down to two things: either you’re in fear of backlash from those that have placed you upon your throne in the first place. Or you’re a fraud.
Actually I don’t subscribe to Tiesto Dj sasha and whatever else that is so it doesn’t hurt me too much the joys and pains of being a metal head means that I wind up listening to songs either 20 years old or in other languages / accents aside from standard fare North American dialects.
As for MGS4 I’ve never been an MGS fan I blitzkrieg through the game rather than stealth my friends make fun of me for that one when they saw me playing all guts & glory rather than stealthily…
Everyone’s an amateur at some point or another however to have the stones to simply out and out bash some of those indy games or music is a little bit foolhardy to say the least.
If you’re talking calibur of game quality there aren’t going to be any more MGS games after 4 4 put the game series to bed quite literally however good games always have a way of rising to the top regardless of the hype that surrounds the craptacular (Oblivion) and odds are that the good games and good music get the good rewards.
Once again despite file sharing being the antagonist of the movie industry they’ve been raking in record profits over the past 7 years I still go to see movies in the theater every so often I actually went in to see the new Hellboy movie because I loved the first one but I also don’t have cable in my house because most North American Television does not interest me the only thing is BSG and I head over to a friends to watch it.
You’re going to find that a lot of young fellows with little to no money are going to be filesharing it’s an inevitable truth however with any collection one gets an affinity for the media mine is (now if anyone laughs I’m gonna smack ‘em!) anime older anime more than the newer stuff because that was when they had a hell of a lot of good stories I’ll drop a good chunk of change on boxed sets and whatnot I also spend decent change on collectors editions of games that I really enjoy.
I can’t say with all honesty that I own every single title that I have as a fansub despite the fact that I’d like to I just can’t afford it at 25-35 bucks a dvd considering the myriad of shows that have been licensed in North America but I do try to pick ‘em up same with games when I have the spare change that’s not going towards the convention I drop over a grand into and not going to the 500 bucks per paycheck bills that I have.
I know that may sound like chump change to you but not everyone can afford a pinto let alone a rolls royce so before you wag your finger at us think for a second if we had anywhere near the kind of money you do do you think we’d even bother with filesharing?
I know there’s a few guys who take the ‘fighting the man’ routine or are just plain cheap but a lot of the people out there just can’t afford it due to the cost of the music or the game or whatnot so they’ll do the work to bypass any encryption and get it for ‘free’ the reason why that’s in quotes is because when you get something off the net it’s never as simple to install as a legit copy there’s all sorts of tricks you have to do in order to get something to work or to break the DRM so instead of paying for it they do the work to break the encryptions someone has to break the code and once that’s done it’s all over the place.
I’m not justifying the action but at the same time it’s a world of haves and have-nots and right now the have-nots have found a way to get a slice of what the haves have some aren’t as noble about it as I am but some are I can’t speak for others but when I can buy some software or movie I do if it’s worth it to add to my collection that is or if it’s cheap enough I’ll buy 20 dollar games from the bargain bin if they look interesting.
Anyways long rant short there’s no point in waving your finger at many of us all you’re coming off as is either pompous or an RIAA/MPAA supporter those it does have an effect on to some degree are stuck by circumstance into their situations even if they don’t like it because they can’t make ends meet any other way and still be able to enjoy a flick every so often.
OMG Sarge still on your odd anti file-sharing holocaust rant? R u really on vacation or has evil P2P left you unemployed along with millions of artists actors and actresses? /sarcasm
“if you want artists like drew wilson or companies like http://www.nexon.net to provide you with crappy entertainment continue on with file sharing?”
Artists make most of their money from touring anyways….they only get $1 from a $20 CD
“Artist Praises File-Sharing for Increasing Ability to Tour”
Slightly Stoopid frontman Miles Doughty calls P2P a means of spreading music to the “masses [who] may not have heard of your music in the first place.”
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9586/Artist+Praises+File-Sharing+for+Increasing+Ability+to+Tour/
Drew
you will not take rejection and try to improve on yourself
if your demo comes into my office into the garbage basket it will go
and you will get a letter from us saying “although we really like your music and think you are talented you are not the right fit for us at this time”
I hope you have or can get a college degree or go into the military
otherwise your options are pumping gas working at walmart mc donalds and from what I have heard it is not a fun livelyhood
you are a kid and kid’s think they are invincible I was no different at your age
there is no way I am going to waste time telling you what is wrong with your music
all I can say is that if you are not at the level of tiesto or dj sasha you need to sit back and think on what you can do to improve your craft
giving away music it is very easy to do hell I know jerkoff broke artists that have given away 20 million free downloads off of the net
but they have to still pay to play at shows where only 50 show up and they have yet to sell 1000 cd’s
not very impressive
and I really do not care that you think you are right and I am wrong
I doubt you even have a 150k car that you bought on your own I have 4
and Miles who ?????
I wonder how long he will last.
I doubt if we will hear much of him next year.
another example of premature
and soulxtc
why do you call yourself soulxtc
are you a rapper ? are you a soul brother ?
and again p2p p4p has put the record label out of business and that also put most artists out of business
@Sarge
“Drew you will not take rejection and try to improve on yourself” ….hmm sounds curiously like you. The world has rejected you and your method of content distribution and you refuse to improve yourself and your own method. Who the hell has a CD player anymore?
And one of the biggest reasons for album sales declining is the fact that iTunes – the country’s largest music retailer – specializes in selling DIGITAL SINGLES! People buy their favorite track from an album and forego shelling out for the rest if they think its crap. SO unless you make people buy entire albums (not likely) on iTunes you will continue to see a decline as people stop buying entire physical CDs and buy the biggest hit.
And I hate to tell you but Slightly Stoopid (Miles is the lead singer) has toured nationally with Dave Matthews Band sold several MILLION albums and are well respected in the dubstyle/reggae community
“The band has taken its live show to as far-away shores as Australia Japan Guam Amsterdam Portugal and Denmark the U.K. Germany Holland and the Dominican Republic and supported the likes of the Dave Matthews Band Damian “Jr. Gong” Marley and the Marley Brothers Sublime The Roots G. Love Toots and the Maytals and Pennywise.” – http://www.slightlystoopid.com
They play to sold out shows wherever they go and have been playing and touring since 2002…..
“but they have to still pay to play at shows where only 50 show up and they have yet to sell 1000 cd’s”….???? Even shitty bands get more than 50 to show up hell you can get at least 25 friends every time.
Rapper? Hardly.
Are you a “sarge?” Hardly.
Are you an idiotic? Certainly.
Face it file-sharing is here to stay whether you like it or not. So long as users can connect one another u cant stop it. I could send a .RAR file of any album right now to a dozen people and there’s no way an ISP or anybody else can stop that unless they plan on downloading and inspecting everything people transmit to one another – NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
There’s a million ways to share files and more are being devised every day.
BTW it just proves my point that you aren’t really hurting at all. Maybe if you weren’t so busy driving your old ass around town and actually sat down to figure out how to adjust t the new paradigm that is digital content you might just figure out a way to get your 5th mid-life crisis trophy.
So quit your crying do everybody a favor and shove all 4 of those 150000 car up your ass. Maybe then you’ll have the epiphany u so desperately need.
ISP’s attempts to make their networks better capable of handling P2P is destroying the record labels? Considering that there are allot of legal files being transferred via P2P I can’t see ISP’s trying to make their networks more compatible with P2P any business of the record labels. Especially when P2P growth continues as more and more companies use it to subsidize distribution costs. Maybe I’m missing you’re interpretation of P4P
@MR
Exactly…..content distributors love P2P because it reduces their server load.
Plus P2P is driving the demand for faster and more costlier internet connections. Who the hell needs a 1.8 MB/s DL and 371 kB/s UL connection speed like I have? Web browsing? Please. I’d drop down about three tiers in a NY minute and they’d lose about $40 bucks per subscriber (imagine the losses considering they say more than 50% of Internet traffic is P2P related) if they somehow managed to magically make BitTorrent disappear and I know Im not alone.
Soulxtc you are so full of it
they did not sell millions and millions of cd’s if they did they would be all over MTV VH1
you are a moron a buffoon and a jerkoff
always remember that
I am so sick of your stoopid comments that you no longer exist in my world
It is like talking to pre schoolers on here
unless you own a multi national company that brings in hundreds of millions of dollars euro’s in revenues you will
never have a clue as to what I am conveying
I am done
To reference Wierd Al I personally fail to see the need to be able to afford a solid gold humvee.
What I’m actually saying is that it’s possible that two business models can emerge in the same industry. One where success is defined by how many millions of dollars the record labels make off the backs of artists and one where fans can directly support the artists. The internet and bricks and mortor are two completely different worlds and fans can be located in both. They can migrate from one to the other but both industries can survive. You actually have to know how to operate a computer in order to get in on the internet side of the music industry and there’s plenty of people who don’t know how to use a computer (ala John McCain and many older people who don’t really understand computers)
You don’t have to like my music (never said you did) and there’s hundreds of thousands of other people who might think differently about my music if I should decide to go the rout of sending demo CDs to promoters like the slightly older days. These days you don’t even have to be a signed artist to promote yourself throughout the world and I shall exploit this revolution to my full benefit.
Whether I get money in the future or not is up to the fans who have money to spare but and I’m sure it’s hard for you to understand I’m not in it for the money either. People downloading my music is just as good as a sale as far as I’m concerned. It’s even better though seeing other people start getting creative after seeing what I’ve been able to do and trying out music production for the first time themselves (which also has happened)
I’m happy be able to put my money where my mouth is and do something about the opportunity we have today through uncensored p2p in a constructive way instead of just saying that the big industry is headed in the wrong direction.
Again success is in the eye of the beholder – you define successs by how many cars is sitting in your garage. I define success as being recognized for my productivity beyong the capitalistic need to accumulate wealth. I’d rather be making a difference in society then being borderline suicidal in a mansion.
I’d like to also note that people like you (sarge) are welcome here but namecalling and being egotistical isn’t necessarily called for. I like debating these things from time to time it’s just a shame that your side of the debates is being poorly represented on your side this time around since it’s clear that you can’t debate the issues in a calm manner (I’ve seen people who share your opinions do far better at being calm about it at the same time)
I’d suggest giving yourself a cooling off period (a day is frequently sufficient) and when you have collected your thoughts coming back since I’ve seen these debates carried out in a civil manner in the past (which is quite nice to see even if I am on one side of it)
“Im done” ….that’s the sanest thing you’ve said so farI hope you keep your word.
“you are a moron a buffoon and a jerkoff always remember that”…all I’ll remember is that you and 7 of your idiot rich friends beating up some poor defenseless guy in a bar because you can’t put a down payment on your fifth 150000 car. Real cool. You’re the jerkoff. I’ll bet the guy’s just struggling to put food on the table in this messed up economy.
“I am so sick of your stoopid comments that you no longer exist in my world” – hmm I guess you can add me to the long list of other things that dont exist in your world like sanity happiness and realistic expectations. Just like file-sharing WILL ALWAYS EXIST so too will you in a life of ignorance and dissatisfaction with yourself the progress of mankind and the unflinching persistence of technology which seems to frustrate so you so very very much.
If only it was 1981 again right? You’re like an old VCR that’s still angry about DVDs.
BTW they have sold millions over the course of 8 years and and almost a dozen albums but Im sure you wouldnt have a clue about them anymore than you do about yourself and your limitations when it comes to trying to shape the world and the communications between individuals to suit your own outdated business plan so that you can fill your garage with more mid-life crisis trophies.
Vroooommmmm!!!!!
It is America after all I guess take and consume as much as you can from it and dont look back and to be on the safe side lets make the world stop evolving and actually regress so that you and your golfing buddies can get their fill for as long as possible.
Id like to note that I burned a copy of an album for my buddy during the writing of this post…
@ soluxtcsement and touch each other
Im betting it was more like:
/oh guys hes selling pirated DVDs!
/that makes me hot
/lets go to my moms ba
/you have a mom? SCORE!
…….
@sarge2004
You are one jobless fart… You’ve posted around 50% of the comments here.. You said “Im done” again and again but came back for more..
You keep saying you’re not a programmer and by the shocking amount of time you have to troll ZP forums Im guessing you dont have a job…
Dude do we look like we give a rat’s ass about your opinion? Stop wasting your time posting on and on and do something useful… You clearly aren’t helping your side of the debate..
I myself live well but I spend 10% maybe 20% at the most of my income on my lifestyle so instead of having 20 rolls royces I only have 2. instead of 100 mercedes I only have 4 and I only have 3 estates in LA 2 of which I rent out and instead of buying a private jet I rent one from time to time mostly I fly first class now if file sharing had not existed ? I would have a lot more of everything which I did at one time.
Shit I just read that… Sarge you are officially a gaynerd.
“You no longer exist in my world”
Who cares about MTV and VH1? I’ve never even looked at MTV since the mid-90’s when the head used to play on MTV and there used to be creativity about now it’s all popper crap and isn’t worth the reel it’s published on.
@Mord
I know right?
MTV hasnt played music videos for at least decade so are bands supposed to make the cheesy TRL appearance and lose any remaining ounce of dignity that a record label hasnt taken already ?
It amazes me he wants us to feel guilty and sorry for him and his friends because they cant buy more cars and bigger house and maybe even private jets. Is he retarded or what? Why would we feel bad because they cant get even richer then they already are and then the threats he’s one of those internet tough guys lol.
He’s simply a spook without an ounce of credibility. ZeroPaid isn’t exactly the Babylon of filesharing communities. It’s amusing that he chose this website to harass people. As a matter of fact this “sarge” may be a clone.
I hope he’s a clone. But his arrogance stupidity and inarticulacy are pretty convincing.
Well done to all who responded so well!
Seriously I love your comments
For your information I went on here because I wanted to get to the truth instead of talking to so called experts on the phone who keep on telling me that file sharing is not the reason why our sales have rapidly declined.
I had video conference meeting with my partners today and I showed them your responses
so
We have all come to the conclusion that file sharing will never stop and software and music sales will continue to plummet so we are getting out.
and that is okay
We are going to get into nano manufacturing and hardware manufacturing we have a surplus of cash from our other ventures (oil gas) so it is very easy for us to buy into companies that need a cash infusion. With tangible products we cannot get ripped off so we all strongly feel now that it is a far better gamble
We wanted to give others dreams to live for we wanted to continue being star makers in music and software but we can see now that will not happen from this point on.
so with that do what you will I apologize for my harsh remarks
file sharing can be someone else’s headache from this point on.
what you do from this point will not affect us.
good luck to you all and I wish you the best in all of your endeavors.
That’s amazing. How on earth did you and your partners ever come to that conclusion? Before closing the door on eletcronic ventures entirely I’d like to invite you to a rather outlandish if not “interesting” meeting. A few colleagues of mine have been working on a software application that will undoubtedly change the way businesses and consumers use the internet. We call it a “web browser”. Imagine all the information you could ever possibly want at your finger tips complete with sound and graphics. Unfortunately I’m not at liberty to discuss further details. There’s a great sports bar just down the road from our main office. Good pizza and good beer. We look forward to hearing from you.
@ Sarge2004
I certainly don’t have all the answers here but it seems to me a better distribution method might be for the music & game industry to work more with ISPs. What I mean is totally decriminalize it & STOP suing people! Doesn’t work & just makes enemies. Here is my idea (may need some revamping) Anyone subscribing to an ISP can choose to pay a fair fee for their music movies & games. The ISP will enforce fair distribution. This way artists are supported there is money for all. This could legitimize sites like the pirate Bay Demonoid etc. As it stands the division between files sharers and the RIAA & MPAA is scary. Its a war. Why not end that war? To make this stick you MUST offer your best No DRM no strings. IF people are willing to support this then everyone would benefit.
starwhite that idea could never work. You have too many different people to compensate for their copyrighted work. You probably think 10 to 20$ a month is fair right? Well you would need to add about 100$ a month at least to satisfy all copyright holders.
@ wapazoid – actually ZeroPaid is the second largest file-sharing news communities around today.
@ sarge – I don’t recall giving you permission to use my comments to support your financial endeavors – I’m on commission for 5% gross income. You may provide contact information so I can send you the terms and conditions as well as information to send me a monthly check.
If you do this in a timely manner I won’t send a copyright infringement notice. 
…Heheh.
@ Sarge2004:
I’ve signed up to this site just to tell you to piss off.
Kiss my ass you whiney son of a bitch. I’ve been downloading for 10 years now back in 1998 when the only way to get MP3’s ISO’s ROMz and movies was in the IRC chat rooms and through FTP. You remind me of that episode of South Park when singers were crying because they couldn’t afford the platinum plated pool and had to go with the gold one instead. Nobody gives a **** about you or your whiney co-workers. “Boo hooo! I can’t afford five Lexus’ I can only afford four! waahhhh!!!” That’s what you sound like.
I remember a time when the “Vivo” format was the choice of the pirates although I’m not sure why because the qualtiy was complete rubbish. – This is probably a long shot but does anyone remember a guy that went by the name of “Vivogod” in the IRC rooms?
Ten years and I’ve got about 500 PS1 games downloaded which have long since been archived to DVDs 100 PS2 games complete ROM sets of everything from Atari 2600 to SNES and MAME. MP3’s? I don’t even know anymore movies? I have two external drives full of movies. I’m even looking at getting myself one of those Nintendo Wii’s and XBox 360s for the sole purpose of just downloading the games because I can.
I’ve constantly got something on the download cue in uTorrent. Just a few weeks ago I discovered the movie “Once Were Warriors” thanks to the internets. And then there’s the fact that most of my shows don’t air in Canada or The US. I dare you to find Neighbours Home & Away Kamen Rider or Outrageous Fortune on any US network.
The day I stop downloading is the day you pry my keyboard from my cold dead hands.
LONDONONTGUY you said it all. Keep up the good work.
Again as I said yesterday that we are getting out of software and music manufacturing and into hardware and nano technology
good luck to you all
there will be no more complaints from me
But LondonOntGuy
I would not go bragging like you are doing the police are on here frequently looking for idiots like you they have your ip address I hope you are clever enough to spoof it at least 20 times then maybe they will give up then again they can track you through your email as well all they have to do is call the email provider and they can snoop right through it you have no rights in this world you only think you do.
in 1998 there were only a thousand of you internet was very slow it took forever to download a song you were no threat back then.
now there are close to a billion file sharers trillions of products have been downloaded
just sayin
and again
I am really could care less if you download 10000000 movies software products or songs it will not affect us or our profits we will be selling products to you and others like dog collars batteries video cards sound cards storage drives servers a variety of guns and so on. All tangible products impossible to steal over the net about impossible to copy.
but there are many others like me that are still pissed off and they cannot jump into other industries they are stuck in software and music.
They are going to sue the ISP’s for billions and I know they will win then at that time the ISP’s will come down hard on file sharers
but until that day
file share away
People can steal your tangible products sarge they find a picture and make themselves a copy using their own craftsmanship. Would you consider that wrong it is still copyright infringement?
I wish anyone the best of luck duplicating a video card dog collar a track ball a cell phone and selling it on the open market the facilities along are in the millions if not tens of millions to manufacture them.
these are not products you can duplicate in your living room.
but if you can be my guest.
I will simplify it even more.
any intangible product that can be uploaded to the web can be freely distributed by the billions.
you cannot do that with tangible products all you can do is resell it to someone else or throw it away.
I would rather compete against 200 hardware nano industrailists than a billion downloaders any day of the week.
excuse me my poor english hardware nano industrialists
@ Sarge2004 Instead of running like a yellow dog with your cowardly tail between your legs why not THINK up a better solution? Create an environment as an experiment where DRM free music movies & games & comic books are available. Don’t ask for money upfront Just ask people to donate if they can. Make it a carefree happy environment. We’re all friends right? I really don’t want to sue your ass into oblivion. Everyone could be happy & compensated & legal. Am I right? I can guarantee with the big powers that be behind this it would soon be bigger than the Pirate bay.
I am one of the powers that be
I am not spending one more dime or penny on music or software it is a losing battle me and my associates against a billion ?
not a chance.
this is not my battle I only start wars I can win this one I can’t my lawyers accounts advisors have all told me so.
for me to not listen to them would be foolish
Exactly right a ‘battle’ you can’t win. Why make it a battle then? First cease all hostilities begin to work with ISPS & file sharers & implement a better way. Find a way to end the conflict. Someone smart will find a distribution method that will satisfy everyone. Maybe a flat fee like $25.00 a month for all I can download LEGALLY. Doesn’t sound like much but after everyone switches over from places like Demonoid & the pirate Bay it could be a tidy sum..to start with. Get me?
No they would have to charge an amount so obscene that no one will be willing or could afford to pay.
now this is an interesting development looks like the process is speeding up faster than I thought no comedians here
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/nonprofit-distr.html?cid=127636718#comment-127636718
I think the gloves are coming off and I know all of you talk about your rights but what if they took them all away what could you do ?
“in 1998 there were only a thousand of you internet was very slow it took forever to download a song you were no threat back then.”
Speak for yourself my city was one of the first in Canada to have cable internet. I’ve never even used dial-up if you can believe that.
So maybe it took 5 hours to download a Playstation game in 1998 it still was much better than paying 69.99 plus 15% sales tax for the bloody thing. Back then video games were obscenely over-priced. The pirates deliverered a reality check to the greedy publishers which benefited everyone in the end.
Threaten all you want nobody gives a shit here in Canada. Our government has better things to do than worry about someone downloading video games or some obscure movie.
LondonOntGuy you should start following politics more. There has been a bill tabled by the conservative government that will be worse than the DMCA. It does nothing to give consumer rights and goes a great distance to lock down copyright. Some have even speculated that it opens the door for U.S. style lawsuits. Anyway we may not be any better off in Canada soon enough. My only hope is that the NDP and/or green party gains some power after the next election. Both the conservatives and liberals seem to be in bed with copyright lobbyist.
LondonOntGuy
I look forward to seeing you on CNN as one of the many file sharers that bragged a little to much
you crack me up do you have tourette’s syndrome ?
unless you live at the north pole I would not be surprised if you get that nasty knock and break in at 3am by those nasty imperialists that you hate.
Are you a US citizen? If so you don’t have a very good understanding of federal law here. Unless you pirate software movies and music for profit typically through organized crime rings law enforcement isn’t interested in building cases based on hearsay of a single individual. Do you have evidence that anyone here has indeed downloaded content illegally?
1. I have downloaded hundreds upon thousands of mp3 music files illegally resulting in millions of US dollars in lost revenue.
2. I have downloaded thousands of movies including screeners of films still in theaters at the time of release.
3. I have illegally obtained cable television.
4. I have removed the tag off of my mattress.
Does this mean “they” will be watching? Or perhaps law in your country demands the removal of a body part?
I suggest you consult your attorneys again pertaining to legal recourse.
Who are you referring to
Consult your partners. You’ll figure it out.
Right lets get a reality check here hundreds of millions of people download files. OK? This is in reality a civil offense NOT a criminal one. The US government has better things to do than prosecute people for petty civil offenses. Other than bribed US senators no one else really cares. Maybe they’ll pass a few laws to make people’s life miserable in the end they will be voted out. If the RIAA was smart (AND they’re not!) they would figure out a better distribution system for music games & movies.
well if you are referring to london he is toast I am sure we will see him on CNN momentarily.
even if he is living on a mountain
We are only going after the ISP’s not the individuals it is better that way.
Then I would imagine the ISP’s will go after the file sharers and bill them for our losses
so again I have no beef with any of you it is not your fault you were all mislead by a few bad apples.
That Canadian DMCA will fall flat the Conservatives know that if they were to pass it they would be punished harshly at the polls come election time.
@ Sarge2004: LOL.. You really are the typical Amerikwan. You assholes have no jurisdiction here in the Great White North although it seems you think you do. That’s pretty laughable right there. XD
For what it’s worth not every game I have is downloaded. In the years that PS1 was reigning king I bought maybe 40 games in total. Mostly the ones worth buying. There were even a few I purchased after downloading it. I have about 35 PS2 games I’ve purchased as well. If they make something worthwhile it will sell if they make dogshit like EA Games has been pumping out for the last 15 years people will just download it.
Its not really the ISPs fault. They only provide the bandwidth. To make them police the internet is not feasible. They simply provide the bandwidth they’re not responsible. The fault lies with the GREEDY content providers charging too much. This in turn created a black market. LOOK at musicians like Elton john I mean this guy is worth $500 million dollars. HOW much money do they need? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Elton_John%27s_net_worth (source) in essence I am saying we the people are not to blame.
does not matter ISP’s have tens of billions in the coffers just ripe for the taking now
without them there would be no file sharing at this magnitude.
trillions and yes I am saying again trillions of dollars of product have been ripped through out the web
and the ISP’s have provided a means to an end.
it is far easier and cheaper to sue a few hundred providers than to sue a billion users.
Curious why all the rhetoric about obtaining personal and confidential information about file sharers? In fact if ISP’s are your primary target of interest why come here and say anything at all? As long as the RIAA and MPAA are financed by the elderly trapped in the 1980’s we will continue to be amused by their views on filesharing. It’s obvious the people have spoken. They want affordable digital media. Pretty boxes and inserts are no longer a selling point for music movies and games. You’re upset because once triumphant business model has crumbled. Conform and prosper or sink.
Blaming the isp’s for downloading is the same as blaming gm if someone runs another person over with their impala.
We and others came to that conclusion over the last few days at our various emergency meetings
they have the money you do not
better that we win from them
if you want affordable digital media why don’t you and your friends go out on the web learn how to make movies music and software make it put it out and then you can sell it among yourselves for whatever price you choose
I know that in the next year or so file sharing will come to a halt
your opinions on how the world works do not matter you have no rights you only think you do.
we have the gold we make the rules and we let you play in our world.
you can say whatever you want but the gloves have come off.
Yes we are getting into other areas of business but we are still going to collect on the hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue from the last 5 years.
and you can mark my words the ISP’s will no longer hold back your private information when they find themselves in the middle of lawsuits from folks that are giants and captains of industry
Music was not enough to cause a problem but along with software and movies pandoras box has been opened and it is going to be a blood bath speaking in the legal sense.
I will not shed one tear as many of you will have the choice between paying hefty fines and penalties that could be in the thousands or prison where the file sharers will be among the real criminals of our world.
When thousands of you are made examples of others will stop and it is not me but another 2000 like me that are fed up.
so again file share away you are like fish in the ocean we cannot catch all of you but we can catch a shipload of you and that will be enough to put this to an end.
We want the music and software industries to return back to being recession proof and invincible.
You came to that conclusion a few days ago during several “emergency” meetings. It’s official… you’re a fraud.
wapozoid
I am speechless
hey believe what you want
As I already stated your vengeful “1984″ scenario won’t happen. One would think that a supreme corporate entity such as yourself would have the ability to articulate yourself in English far better than you’ve been demonstrating let alone maintain composure befitting a professional of your stature. You’re not a programmer you’re not a 30 year recording artist or part of an elite government backed entertainment illuminati. At best your a young teenage son of a oil baron who makes occasional investments in US ventures. You’re nothing but pointless text on a screen.
I think some one is dillusional and living in his own fantasy world or more likely someone who has nothing else to do but try and push peoples buttons to get a rise out of them for his own pleasure. If you had all this money and all this power you wouldnt be sitting at the computer blogging about file sharing. Remember what happens to all tyrants who try control free people the un doesnt control america as much as you wish it did.
I’m firing up two file sharing clients right now as sort of an electronic “fuck you” to the RIAA MPAA BSA and the like. I hope I can cost them a ton of cash. I hope they go bankrupt and cant afford their expensive trained attack lawyers and politicians. I hope their top execs end up so broke that they can only afford one car and a modest home in an average but nice neighborhood.
It’s no longer about the music. It’s about doing my small part to help bankrupt an entire corrupt industry that poses severe threats to our freedom. When I read sarges comments all I can say is that I hope there’s some grain of truth in that crazy asshole’s rants. I hope he and his cronies really are hurting financially from all of our activities. If they can be tossed aside like they deserve everyone wins. Musicians will still make music their world will not end they’ll just be forced to live or die based on their own skills and merit rather than ba sed on how many times in one day the execs can pay to have their latest tune played on some Clearchanel clone.
quote”we have the gold we make the rules and we let you play in our world.”
Guess again sarge… the rules have changed its not run by greed anymore
its time to crawl back under yor rock
For you yokles this is from another post time is running out
Posted by: dan tanner | Aug 25 2008 8:59:10 AM
Actually that is what goes on in a court room
file sharers are getting treated as bad as drug dealers they are getting placed in the area of enemy combatants
they showed me in court that trillions of dollars not billions but trillions have been lost due to file sharing and that makes sense a billion file sharers would equal trillions of files sent around the world over the last 10 years
I did have to show up to court to pay the fines they would not take a check by mail it was a nightmare I hope to never go through again.
remember the guy who just got 25 years ? he is a kid who lost his life thanks to file sharing thank god I escaped that fate
The judge explained to me that file sharers have no skills that are beneficial to the government or other industries unlike hackers most file sharers have the skills of a burger flipper and they are expendable at least a hacker is recruited by the government to further their causes file sharers have zero benefit to society and yet they are a major cause of why the economies of the world are suffering.
Well I kept my mouth shut and let him finish.
It is going to stop no doubt about it in some countries leaders are quietly rounding up file sharers and putting them to death.
It is not funny anymore and yes most of you will not get caught but the problem is that you do not know who will be spared and who will be made an example of
I for one am never doing it again
so who is the dickhead now eh ?
so who is the dickhead now eh ?
@ Sarge2004 I think you’re very hard headed…haven’t you been listening to the REAL people here? If file sharing is equaling into hundreds of millions people then for a FACT people want digital media such as movies music & games delivered at an affordable cost.
YOU will never have it the wait was when you could charge $18.00 to 24.00 for a single music CD EVER! The times they are a changin dickhead! ALL you do is use lies fear and intimidation to manipulate people because thats all your kind knows. I am SO angry at you!
People sharing files is a CIVIL offense NOT a criminal offense got it? STOP trying to scare people! you should be ashamed of yourself! GO and make positive changes & try using love & trust & human compassion instead of so much GREED & lust for money & power. Basically you suck and are a TOTAL ASS. Always remember that……..no one like you or trusts you you’re a dummy that cannot figure out how to run a company except into the ground! i would FIRE you in a heartbeat!!!! you are WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do have a question here
do any of you have more skills than that of a burger flipper wal mart greeter 7 11 cashier ?
if not you cannot afford what you are sharing anyway
are any of you expert hackers ? at least they still have a choice between recruitment or jail
and no starwhite file sharing is and has always been a criminal offense call your local attorney and they will tell you.
there have been laws for years that have not been enforced until now read the terms of agreement in every product
you download I believe prison is in there somewhere it is also at the beginning of every dvd movie you have downloaded
you are starting fires you cannot afford to put out
just like you are sharing hundreds of files you cannot afford to buy
I can if you had like 5 or 6 files but hundreds or thousands ?
you would have to make at least a 500k a year to afford that many
I imagine most of you make about 60k-100k a year and the majority of you make under 30k a year
not only has file sharing cost us in revenue but it also robbed most of you out of seeking a better education
Actually I am still seeking better education Sarge I’m shooting for my Oracle training soon and with it more job opportunities as for Jail time file sharing is a civil offense not a jail-able offense but you know what’s stupid if you do that you’re going to create a dirty thirties scenario where jail time becomes an acceptable means because you’ll be locking up someone from every third door down the street.
It’s laughable but have you ever seen a Canadian prison? They get better bloody treatment than anyone else in the under 30K a year bracket for crying out loud I’m honestly ashamed sometimes when I hear about plans to put in an Olympic size swimming pool into these places or a super-gym or more amenities in the cells.
Nobody’s going to wind up going to prison because of this rubbish because it will only make it worse rather than better because I know for a fact that a bunch of your own buddies will wind up in the lockup as well one of my former bosses of a multi-million dollar company here in the ‘peg was an obsessive file-sharer not to mention one or two of his managers as well do you know what kind of an IT nightmare that is?!?
You’re talking to the down and outs when instead you should be talking to your peers about their own habits because they can bloody well afford this crap because although you may or may not be striking a chord there’s not much the down & outs can do about their lot and as I said there are more people than you think whom actually pay for their games when they can so turning on people like this will only galvanize them to what they are doing.
Besides for one who’s now washed their hands of this topic 3 times by my count you’re still awfully chatty about it.
I think some one watch the movie minority report too many times. I dont know what country you come from but sounds more like a dictatorship and not a free country. If you really think they are going to shoot people for file sharing you need to get off the drugs your selling.
It’s funny. You seem to continuously dodge my question regarding Microsoft’s Zune Pass. I don’t share or download music movies or software. I have a tendency to support and praise legal distributors that are on the forefront of providing affordable content. For the third time I pay only $15 USD per month and download as many full length mainstream albums as I see fit. Withinin a week’s time I have amassed nearly 800 albums (nearly 11000 songs). It’s true… for the cost of ONE CD per month I can listen to thousands on either my PC or portable player. To me this is a very intelligent step in the right direction.
Now that you mention skills you’d be surprised as to what many members of this community do for a living. My career involves programming and graphic design. All tools of the trade are purchased legally by me including operating systems. I don’t seem to have a problem finding work. I certainly don’t make enough to afford extravagent expenses but you won’t find me in line at a local BestBuy holding $50 worth of music CD’s.. a whole whopping three of them. You’re a dying breed and possibly the most ignorant online persona to ever grace this website. Move along now and invest in tangible products.
Something tells me your comment about education is aimed to those here that are still in high school. Your specious rants have me questioning yours.
all I can say is read the fine print on every software product dvd cd cover if you duplicate and distribute it is a criminal offense 5 years in prison 250k fine. it is enforceable when needed
and for those of you that buy programs music and movies legally good for you but why do you bother putting yourself in harms way getting involved in file sharing it is like buying liquor for minors why deal with the risk ? all it takes is one time to get busted
also wapazoid I am sure you have heard this before
I recommend hiring a high profile law firm to represent your product in SF or NY that is what we did when we started out it was very expensive but that move guaranteed our success for our product to get to first to market if you get my meaning.
If the fine print were a solid platform for criminal prosecution in the United States hundreds of thousands would have been jailed and fined since the introduction of cassette and VHS tapes. And you probably wouldn’t be complaining today. When I was a kid I used to record my favorite songs off the radio onto casette tapes. I’d also make my own mix tapes recorded from store bought vinyl records and give them to friends and girlfriends as gifts. It was simply a part of being social. Should I have been hung for it? What are your views on fair use or is your world truly black and white?
I do agree with a few comments already made at those hoarding copyright material simply because they can… it’s an asshole move. At least give in and BUY something now and then. These are the same people that don’t mind spending $80 for a pair of poorly crafted shoes and clothing with a stranger’s name on it. Talk about commercial branding. Those that counterfeit and pirate for profit are the ones that truly harm the industry. These are the people copyright holders target the most. As for the rest scare tactics are about as good as it’s going to get.
I’m not an investor inventor or entrepreneur. I’m just an average tax paying American consumer that knows a lousy business model when he sees one.
He is just mad because they cant cheap us anymore in the beginning if we bought music games software and we opened the package and it sucked we were screwed out of our money nothing we could do but deal with a crap they sold us while they laughed all the way to the bank then came cd burners and people would get together and buy one copy and burn everyone one from the original they were mad about that too but they still made money and still got away with selling junk now comes file sharing where we can all download it and try it and see if its any good and if it sucks delete it and never bother with it again and thats what he is really mad about because way back in the vhs days pirates where around hes pissed because they cant sell us junk and stick us with it anymore we can try before we buy with file sharing and thats his real problem. So i know every one of us here got screwed over with bad software music and games long ago.
See no one is invincible or anonymous
from perez hilton
Don’t eff with Axl Rose y’all!
A few months ago nine songs from Guns ‘n’ Roses’ 14-years-in-the making Chinese Democracy album were leaked on to the Internets.
Well the man accused of posting the GnR songs Kevin Cogill was arrested on Wednesday morning in Culver City CA.
Cogill admitted to posting the songs when he was questioned by an FBI agent according to an affidavit.
A federal attorney said he’s expected to appear in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles later today.
You can never hide from the Feds….or people with a lot of money!
I wonder if the FBI are picking people up for sharing Appetite for Destruction. Or do you think they got involved because Chinese Democracy still hasn’t been officially released?
This reminds me when a screener was released of the first Hulk film and the uploader was caught and faced jail time. People weren’t being arrested for sharing episodes of the 1970’s television show.
Any more news gems?
He knows the fbi only got into it because its unreleased. He totally ignored my post about how they use to be able to cheat us and we had no recourse to fix it.
He also avoids my questions about online music services.
again it is a matter of time
The Family Entertainment and Copyright Act
is a federal legislative act regarding copyright that became law in the United States in 2005. The Act consists of two subparts: the Artist’s Rights and Theft Prevention Act of 2005 which increases penalties for copyright infringement and the Family Home Movie Act of 2005 which permits the development of technology to “sanitize” potentially offensive DVD content.
The Family Entertainment and Copyright Act was introduced into the United States Senate (of the 109th United States Congress) on January 25 2005 by Senator Orrin Hatch (R – Utah) and was signed into law by President George W. Bush on April 27 2005.
The act provides theater owners and employees with both civil and criminal immunity for questioning suspected violators or detaining them while police are summoned.
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* 1 Artist’s Rights and Theft Prevention Act of 2005nks
* 2 Family Home Movie Act of 2005
* 3 See also
* 4 External li
[edit] Artist’s Rights and Theft Prevention Act of 2005
This act also known as the “ART Act” is targeted at preventing piracy of movies and software. It specifically targets two activities: filming movies in a movie theater and early release of movies and software before they become publicly available.
Anyone who “knowingly uses or attempts to use an audiovisual recording device to transmit or make a copy of a … protected work… from a performance of such work in a motion picture exhibition facility…” may be imprisoned up to three years for a first time offender and up to six years for a repeat offender in addition to any fines that may be levied under the U.S. Criminal Code for copyright infringement.
With regard to unreleased works intended for public distribution (e.g. beta software or workprints) anyone who makes a work that the copyright owner expects to distribute commercially but is not yet distributed shall be punished if the work is “made available on a computer network accessible to members of the public if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.” First time offenders can get up to three years in jail or five if they committed the offense for financial gain. Repeat offenders can get up to six years in jail or ten years if the offense was committed for financial gain. These penalties are in addition to any penalties for violating non-disclosure agreements or trade secret law.
[edit] Family Home Movie Act of 2005
This section is an exemption of liability allowing the creation of technology that can edit a DVD movie on the fly and create a censored version of that movie. This provision arose out of a lawsuit between ClearPlay a Salt Lake City-based company that markets DVD-sanitizing technology and a number of Hollywood studios and directors. The ClearPlay technology allows a home consumer to screen out up to 14 different categories of ob jectionable content such as drug use sexual situations or foul language.
The act does not permit one to create a new hardcopy of a movie in a completely “sanitized” format nor does it permit the technology to replace or insert new video or audio to replace the offending content. Thus a company cannot create and market a clean DVD copy of Goodfellas but it can develop a DVD player which can be programmed to skip past the offending parts and/or blank out the offending video or audio contained in a scene.
Online music services are killing the music business
It is offically off by 80%
I predict that within 3 years cd sales will be way back up and you will be forced to pay full retail prices whether you like it or not
Further more I predict online music sites will be shut down as the new business model will return back to retail stores selling cd’s in the local shopping malls and again we can make 12 bucks a cd wholesale with sales in the hundreds of millions
Your protesting and ideals of how it should be will die as more and more file sharers get arrested by the FBI and thrown in prison
I suggest you hire a lawyer and ask him or her what your real rights are before you continue on
Cogill thought he was in the right and invincible why do you think that is ? How and why do you think he got busted ?
the witch hunt will continue and there is no stopping that so the question now becomes do you really want to ruin your lives over protesting ?
file sharing is now in the same category as killing stealing grand theft drug dealing
file sharers go to the same prisons as real criminals
I am not trying to scare you I am just telling you that your virtual world is crossing into reality and in the real worl there are consequences for file sharing
this copyright law that was passed was in 2005 why do you think they had to pass it ?
because supposedly file sharing is not hurting anyone right ?
well fuck you it is HURTING EVERYONE
http://www.antiquiet.com/
If online music services are killing the industry why are they making deals with them to distribute digital content? You’re not making much sense. Are you going to come off and say that the RIAA and industry big whigs have nothing to do with the many legitimate services out there right now? Do you really think digital formats will disappear into the ether and millions will be forced back into buying music CD’s at full price? You must also believe the internet is a fad. You’re old. You’re thinking is old. That’s why you’re dying. I doubt you’re capable of scaring anyone. How many file sharers do you think are in prison within the US today? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? And you speak of file sharers being rounded up and killed… in what rat infested third world toilet does this happen in?
Fuck YOU. You’re HURTING YOURSELF.
Wapazoid
I do not care about scaring anyone
I pity those who will end up in big trouble because they refuse to listen to change
face it a massive campaign is slowly getting underway and in a few years cd’s blue ray hd dvd dvd’s or whatever hard copy format is available at that time will be in your local store to buy at the designated retail price
and lets just forget about prison for a second
just getting arrested will kill any chance at a normal life or career as that incarceration will follow you where ever you go for the rest of your life and the bail will be at least 5k out of your own pocket not to mention the fines and penalties after that.
I predict a 90% drop in file sharing and at the same time a 90% rise in music sales 70% increase in software sales and a 40% increase in movie dvd sales and that is the way it should be and that will bring harmony back into this economy.
even if you buy 80% and steal or borrow and copy 20% of the content you have you are still stealing
one more thing
on your browser free advice esp with the latest competition from firefox and microsoft
give your product away for free and hope that you can get 200 million to download it and use it
then you will have a real viable track record and have guys like me offering millions or even more to get on the band wagon
without a track record you are one in the ocean of millions that have billions of software ideas or working products out there
I know of 100 my spaces that died recently in the last 2 years full blown sites millions in capital and they died within a year
it looks easy until you are creating and launching it yourself and then there are a million mistakes that can and will happen
releasing it to early or to late is one
not having case studies or focus groups is another
a good example is
steve jobs and wozniak they sold a thousand apples before markula came in and bankrolled them
Anyone ever hear of chicken little and his famous phrase “The sky is falling the sky is falling”
lol
I hung out with P Diddy earlier tonight. He wanted me to tell you to take your 8-track casettes and get lost. And as for #182… what in the hell are you going on about? Put that huka away!
you told me you wanted to meet up about your web browser at a sports bar near your office I take it you need money to launch it ?
“A few colleagues of mine have been working on a software application that will undoubtedly change the way businesses and consumers use the internet. We call it a “web browser”. Imagine all the information you could ever possibly want at your finger tips complete with sound and graphics. Unfortunately I’m not at liberty to discuss further details. There’s a great sports bar just down the road from our main office. Good pizza and good beer. We look forward to hearing from you.”
I doubt you know p diddy and if you did he would bitch slap you for supporting file sharing you and others are stealing from him as well
LMAO
Use Google to find out what that acronym means. I’ll leave it alone at this point. But know this. I have many close friends in the entertainment industry including VERY high caliber music and movie producers. I also do business with some of America’s most prestigeous investors. My kung-fu is simply stronger than yours.
One of my friends
Games giant Ubisoft has filed a lawsuit against Optical Experts Manufacturing (OEM) a US replicator based in Charlotte North Carolina. Ubisoft alleges that an OEM employee took home a copy of Assassin’s Creed PC and leaked it onto the internet six weeks prior to the game’s launch in April leading to over 700000 illegal downloads of the game and millions of dollars in lost sales.
The official court document states: “Ubisoft is one of the largest independent publishers and developers of video games in the world. One of its most successful games is Assassin’s Creed. As a result of an extraordinary breach of trust and gross negligence by Defendant Optical Experts Manufacturing (”OEM”) one of OEM’s employees leaked onto the worldwide web the PC version of Assassin’s Creed (the “Game”) six weeks prior to its release. This leak resulted in over 700000 illegal internet downloads of the Game which caused Ubisoft to lose millions of dollars in sales. OEM should be held accountable for that loss.”
Research figures from NPD indicate that the PC version of Assassin’s Creed sold only some 40000 copies through June; negligible compared with the sales on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. According to Ubisoft what makes matters worse is that the earlier version of the game contained a bug for security reasons that would make the game crash halfway through. While the bug was not supposed to be on the final release the company claims that the mix of reviews based on the ‘buggy’ release and those ba sed on the retail version “created customer confusion and caused irreparable harm” to its reputation.
The bottom line is that Ubisoft is suing OEM for copyright infringement breach of contract and negligence. For the breach of contract and negligence the publisher is looking for at least $10 million in damages.
wapazoid you are a jerkoff I doubt you know anyone in movies or music otherwise you would be totally against file sharing
file sharers are killing the business I just talked to one of my manufacturers to see how business is doing and he said it is so bad they are doing any deals for runs over a million
unfortunately I had to tell him that we are no longer in the record or software business
also anyone with friends in the business would not use the word high caliber
that statement alone tells me you are full of it
I have and do business with many associates in the quote n quote business we all do and everyone does well
and if you knew p diddy you would know what bitch slap is
it is not an acryonym
it is a verb meaning that you would get slapped across the face without warning and called you a bitch
other times it would mean a beatdown without warning
further more if you did have friends in the entertainment business and they knew you file share they would turn
you in. All I hear about everyday is how file sharers are decimating the business day by day hour by hour they are worried
that there will not be a hollywood at the rate this is going.
They hate file sharers seriously they do hate file sharers and want to see them all suffer but lucky for all of you
we cannot do anything outside of the law so we have to spend millions and hire high profile law firms to go after
you no joke
actually try and tell one of them you stole his movie and gave it so your friends and see if he or she does not punch
you in the face.
try it I dare you
I mean imagine pressing up 700000 copies and only selling 40000
that would piss anyone off
I would also say that at this rate until file sharing and free comes under control I would delay releasing your product
or give it away for free and hope you get known
I’m sorry but I don’t have time to read your bullshit. Matthew Mcconaughey and Rihanna are meeting me for drinks. I told her about the $20000 bank account comment you made. Maybe we’ll call you later.
You crack me up
Matthew is at home with his baby and wife
Rihanna is doing a show tonight at club
at my club
YOU!!!
YOU!!!
I AM A PRINCE!!!
now we all know you are a whack job
lol
If you were a prince you would not
A. be on here I know many of them and they could care less about the internet to busy in the real world
B. you would not be a file sharer and risk a chance of getting you family embarrassed by your stupidity
conclusion you are not a prince maybe a pauper but not a prince
I have more money than you.
I am sure you do listen
I read the article of this poor programmer on another post and I did like his approach
so………
I do have a final question here
where would I need to set my prices for
artists cd’s
action games
role playing games
office software
graphic web software
for direct download ?
retail store (I have to give them 50% of the retail price)
direct mail order ?
I apologize for my harsh and arrogant remarks and I would rather try to salvage this and win than sink in millions into lawsuits and maybe lose
Thank you for your insight
Mr Goldberg
I spend at least a million for each music release and 20 million for each software release
so tell me should I shut down ?
or is there a price that I can sell my products that that will make it worth my while ?
wapazoid
again I apologize for my harsh remarks and I am open to all suggestions
thank you
Mr. Goldberg
“Research figures from NPD indicate that the PC version of Assassin’s Creed sold only some 40000 copies through June; negligible compared with the sales on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.”
The downloading of the PC build hardly effected the sales. I remember coming across metal Gear Solid online years ago months before it was to be released here in the west and it still sold millions of copies.
Why would anyone chose the PC version of a game that MIGHT work on their system when they can just buy the same game for their XBox or PS Triple and it will work guaranteed. PC games are famous for being shipped halfway complete or loaded with bugs. Not to mention the specs required to run the PC build are insane. Why spend 300 bucks on a video card when you can just buy an XBox console for the same price?
oh a mogul loses a couple of manhattan condos.. how sad.. no wait a minute i have non…
oh well…
1 download a game or whatever… doesnt mean i would buy it, if i couldnt download it.. thats where ppl like u sarge, are dead wrong. would sales go down cuz ppl download to test first then buy if its good (yeah ALOT do that actually)? umm OFC.. and thats whats its all about. they dont want you to know its crap until u forked out alot of money on a crap product. most games,movies,music albums stinks. but these days we dont have to get ripped off to find out.. buhu..
and also.. games piracy is a joke. any game worth anything is online. and thus requires you to have a key of some sort. i find that approach works fine. if it sells like crap would actually mean……… its crap… as no1 can play it anyway, or in a crippled way (most of the time). so why does for example some games sell crappy? well….. ppl download it… and puke how bad it is, and thank god some1 provided a peek of the disaster and saved them some hard earned cash. “you ppl” have lived off ripping us off for decades… im surprised no1 f**king sues the lot of you for that (like a reverse riaa if u will).