Game Developers Go Nuts, Suing Up to 25,000 File-Sharers

Five of the world’s top game developers team up to fight illegal file-sharing of popular game titles, demanding the name and IPs of suspects who’ll be asked to pay 300 pounds ($557 USD) each to settle.

UK-based law firm Davenport Lyons is leading the charge on behalf of Atari, Topware Interactive, Reality Pump, Techland and Codemaster game developers to crack down on the illegal file-sharing of their titles.

‘Our clients are incensed by the level of illegal downloading,” said Roger Billens, a partner of Davenport Lyons. “Hopefully people will think twice if they risk being taken to court.’

The law firm said it would apply to the High Court to force ISPs to release the names and addresses of 7,000 suspected file-sharers.

The number of people prosecuted for piracy by Davenport Lyons could reach 25,000, according to a report in the Daily Mail on Wednesday. They would be offered the chance to pay 300 pounds ($557 USD) each for damages to settle out of court, the report added.

It also claims that the first 500 who ignore the letters will “face immediate legal action” by the game developers.

The suspected file-sharers were identified by a Swiss forensic computer company Logistep. It searched for the users’ IP address, a unique number allocated to every computer that connects to the Internet.

“Illegal file-sharing is a very serious issue resulting in millions of pounds of losses to copyright owners,” said David Gore, another of the law firm’s partners.

He added that “Taking direct action against file-sharers will become an ‘important and effective’ weapon to tackle online piracy.

The news comes on the heels of a recent effort by the same law firm about a month ago on behalf of Topware Interactive when it sued some 100 people for illegally sharing copies of it’s Dream Pinball 3-D game.

Some of have already weighed in on the case:

This has been a hot topic since the beginning of home recording technologies and the “debate” will never cease.

Due to the belief that all roads lead to piracy and that digital piracy of goods is a ‘bad thing’, we’re seeing individual rights being dissolved, privacy being violated and people dictating how we enjoy our movies and music and the like… limiting innovation for fear of loss in profits without actually conducting research that may demonstrate a greater return on their investments should the cease this wild goose chase.

There is no conclusive un-biased evidence that can link so-called digital piracy to negative impacts on sales of popular media. The ongoing “fight” is mere evidence that the current model of distribution for most popular media, along with the law protecting it, is antiquated and in need of heavy revision. It no longer works in the best interest of anyone at all really…

People are afraid of new ideas and always have been.

The truth is, the question of whether file sharing is “moral or not” is very subjective. It depends entirely on the intentions of the individual. One way of looking at it – In some countries, the law only punishes those who commit the act of file SHARING rather than those whom actively seek shared goods. If there is a middle ground at all, I don’t believe punishing individuals for accessing content available is the solution as they’re not the ones causing the problem.

I for one do not support raw piracy, but the ‘path of least resistance.’

Obtaining a new or hard to find album digitally is convenient, “green” and instantly gratifying. I think less often piracy happens because of the cost of the products but rather because there have been more innovations in stealing music than selling it!

Stop hiring lawyers and start hiring developers and you’ll see a lot more return on your investment.

I couldn’t agree more.

Jared Moya

I've been interested in P2P since the early, high-flying days of Napster and KaZaA. I believe that analog copyright laws are ill-suited to the digital age, and that art and culture shouldn't be subject to the whims of international entertainment industry conglomerates.

405 comments
sarge2004
sarge2004

and yes you are right about the spoofing of ip addresses but maybe only 1% are as smart as you the rest just follow the leader like you off the cliff into the volcano and they are the ones we will nail and they will be the ones that will pay. Despite of what you think the US is on our side now and a lot if not all of these operations will be in blackout mode. again I am not a programmer you can think of me as a guy that is championing this cause for the little guy who has no money is broke getting ripped over and over again by folks like you and everyone else in denial at the harm they are doing.

JosefStalin
JosefStalin

Anyway I always find these "file sharing isnt hurting anyone" arguments bizarre. Of course its hurting sales. The day I got the internet is the day I stopped buying games porn movies and music. And Im in the vast majority here. I hope that file sharing is destroying the industry and the system at large. Then we can borrow some guns from Vampyre Blade's mountain retreat march on Washington and create a society based on need rather than profit.

starwhite
starwhite

@ Sarge2004 LOOk at comment 88 why not consider releasing singles again? A BIG thing people HATE is having to buy a whole album for one or two songs they really want: bring singles back or let people pick N choose what they like. You gotta be flexible. Treating your customers as criminals is not going to work period. The world hates the record industry for this. Stop suing people for downloading! It makes you look bad. It WILL NEVER be like the 'good ole days' where you can charge as much as you want for a CD again. The business model needs a complete overhaul. Do these things & you will prosper. Fair product fair price & NO DRM. Be Ipod friendly people will respond. Again criminilizing your customers is a BAD idea! L i s t e n to what i am saying!

VAMPYRE BLADE
VAMPYRE BLADE

Josefstalin first off i am not a redneck as much as you would like to believe so collecting firearms is a hobbie many people do. second i wouldnt loan them out too anyone third i dont have a mountain retreat. you need to open your mind your narrow view of firearm owners is very liberal democrat. you must be an obama man.

wapazoid
wapazoid

Hey Sarge you claim to be recording artist with 30 years under your belt. You must be famous so why not have the courage to tell us who you are? You see I'm thinking your views particularly the nasty ones that are aimed at filesharers "killing" families would make for a very interesting Rolling Stone article. It's certainly better than taking a soapbox stance behind an online handle on a random website. Clearly you have a strong opinion on this considering you only own one Rolls-Royce instead of twelve. I'd like to see you address a real music community with your views and comments (love the one about taking a gun and killing someone downloading a song). Or are you under the impression that long standing music enthusiasts exclusively purchase CD's? What are you thoughts on music services such as Zune? I pay only $15 per month and literally download hundreds of mainstream albums. Is Microsoft harming the industry as well?

thekingace
thekingace

sarge i am from an underdeveloped country will they catch me too ??? boohoo... sarge suck on my salty balls. hehe...

sarge2004
sarge2004

Revealing my name would open me up to frivolous lawsuits from my posts alone Rolling Stone and other magazines have done many articles on file sharing to no avail. For what it is worth singles are out all over the place they have been for years I also understand where everyone is coming from so in conclusion if you want artists like drew wilson or companies like http://www.nexon.net to provide you with crappy entertainment continue on with file sharing if you want games like metal gear solid 4 or music artists like tiesto dj sasha you and others will stop it is that simple I would say within in another 3 years you will see a blackhole in fine entertainment thanks to file sharing while amateurs are trying to give away for free their average games and music so it is up to you

DrewWilson
DrewWilson

Sarge you are assuming there is only one business model for music - you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking this. I wouldn't like being on MTV for the simple fact that everything on MTV I've seen is absolute garbage. You don't have to be in an ad or be in an official music album for a major motion picture to be famous. File-sharing has given me the unique opportunity to push the envelope above and beyond what local resources can even dream of doing. Also you are the very first person out of thousands who have commented on my music to speak down on it. Combined with your other condenscending comments I'm quite convinced it is out of spite and not out of professional or honest personal opinion. As for comparing me to Tiesto I've met plenty of people in the trance scene who actually do not like Tiesto. Does that make their opinions of the music he produces any more or less valid? Obviously you don't thoroughly do your homework anyway or you would know that I also produce music that is not Trance music as well. Before you make the comparison there are plenty of people who dislike Pendulum as well. It's a matter of opinion - nothing more and nothing less. FYI I've already had a European organizer ask if I was touring at all - so there are those who think positively on what I'm doing. Furthermore can you simply gague whether ZZTop is better than Dragonforce metallica (older or newer stuff) Coldplay linkin Park etc.? Not really because ZZTop is technically blues and there are many styles of rock/metal/etc. and it would be like comparing a ferrari to a cement truck. Is Deadmau5 better than Above and Beyond? It's completely different styles. Is Darude's latest album (Label This!) better than M83? How can you compare it? Is Rob D better than DJ Eco because Rob D was featured on The Matrix? Comparison is faulty at best. To answer your question of whether or not I packed a club I packed a live show and did to live work. The experience is quite amazing. You claim that 150000 (actually the number is 160000 at this point now) downloads don't count but clearly you think that the only thing that counts is what will get monetary gain. This completely flies in the face the fact that musicians want to be heard and the more people who are hearing your music the more you are known. The more you are known the more likely they are to thank you later. I'm happy to create music for free and I will eventually give people the option to pay me what they feel is fair if they feel like supporting me beyond listening to my music but again it's strictly optional. I have always felt that if you are going to treat your fans like criminals you don't deserve fans at all. If you think this is not a business model you don't need to look further than FireFox which is the web browser rivaling Microsoft. If you want another example Microsoft is struggling against Linux in the server industry. Linux OS adoption is on the rise. If you're assumptions of the idea that the only way to move forward in the content industry is to close source everything and do it all for monetary gain is true the open content industry shouldn't even exist right now. Sorry but not only is it existing it's also flourishing against companies who think like you do. I'm not saying you have to be open minded about it all I'm saying it's foolish to criticise others for thinking differently about todays world. I have interviewed a record company that started up and I asked the owner why in the face of supposed slides in record sales in the record industry is she starting a record company she looked right back at me and told me that if there is any fall in the record sales it's for the major record labels. Meanwhile the small and indipendent music producers have a new lease on life because of things like the internet allowing people to promote themselves without the need to sell out to a major record label just to hope to get into the spotlight. Again go ahead and say people who think differently are wrong but I think you'll find as you no doubt seen on here that there will be plenty who will disagree with that opinion and have the ability to back that up with evidence. @Mord Sith - I produce under the name 'Frozen IceCube'. You can Google Frozen IceCube eMule and it should be the first result. :) I'm in the process of producing a couple of songs right now actually and am hoping to get some new content out there by the end of the month (fingers crossed!)

wapazoid
wapazoid

I would say within another three years survivors of this industry holocaust you describe will realize that the traditional CD is obsolete and offer digital music to consumers at a fair price. You made a comment about CD prices being raised back to the standard $18 price tag once filesharers get what's coming to them. Have you considered the possibility that the high cost of these discs may have played a factor into the demise of your revenue? You didn't answer my question regarding very appealing approaches to digital distribution such as Zune Pass. Personally I don't upload or download music illegally. $15 per month for DRM protected content is fair in my opinion. And you take as much music as you want. I don't like burning or storing music CDs. Listening through my PC or Zune player works for me. Again my own preference. BTW you can stop coming off like some "deepthroat" character warning us of our impending doom. If you're as ingrained within the industry as you claim you shouldn't have a problem revealing yourself. This boils down to two things: either you're in fear of backlash from those that have placed you upon your throne in the first place. Or you're a fraud.

Mord_Sith
Mord_Sith

Actually I don't subscribe to Tiesto Dj sasha and whatever else that is so it doesn't hurt me too much the joys and pains of being a metal head means that I wind up listening to songs either 20 years old or in other languages / accents aside from standard fare North American dialects. As for MGS4 I've never been an MGS fan I blitzkrieg through the game rather than stealth my friends make fun of me for that one when they saw me playing all guts & glory rather than stealthily... Everyone's an amateur at some point or another however to have the stones to simply out and out bash some of those indy games or music is a little bit foolhardy to say the least. If you're talking calibur of game quality there aren't going to be any more MGS games after 4 4 put the game series to bed quite literally however good games always have a way of rising to the top regardless of the hype that surrounds the craptacular (Oblivion) and odds are that the good games and good music get the good rewards. Once again despite file sharing being the antagonist of the movie industry they've been raking in record profits over the past 7 years I still go to see movies in the theater every so often I actually went in to see the new Hellboy movie because I loved the first one but I also don't have cable in my house because most North American Television does not interest me the only thing is BSG and I head over to a friends to watch it. You're going to find that a lot of young fellows with little to no money are going to be filesharing it's an inevitable truth however with any collection one gets an affinity for the media mine is (now if anyone laughs I'm gonna smack 'em!) anime older anime more than the newer stuff because that was when they had a hell of a lot of good stories I'll drop a good chunk of change on boxed sets and whatnot I also spend decent change on collectors editions of games that I really enjoy. I can't say with all honesty that I own every single title that I have as a fansub despite the fact that I'd like to I just can't afford it at 25-35 bucks a dvd considering the myriad of shows that have been licensed in North America but I do try to pick 'em up same with games when I have the spare change that's not going towards the convention I drop over a grand into and not going to the 500 bucks per paycheck bills that I have. I know that may sound like chump change to you but not everyone can afford a pinto let alone a rolls royce so before you wag your finger at us think for a second if we had anywhere near the kind of money you do do you think we'd even bother with filesharing? I know there's a few guys who take the 'fighting the man' routine or are just plain cheap but a lot of the people out there just can't afford it due to the cost of the music or the game or whatnot so they'll do the work to bypass any encryption and get it for 'free' the reason why that's in quotes is because when you get something off the net it's never as simple to install as a legit copy there's all sorts of tricks you have to do in order to get something to work or to break the DRM so instead of paying for it they do the work to break the encryptions someone has to break the code and once that's done it's all over the place. I'm not justifying the action but at the same time it's a world of haves and have-nots and right now the have-nots have found a way to get a slice of what the haves have some aren't as noble about it as I am but some are I can't speak for others but when I can buy some software or movie I do if it's worth it to add to my collection that is or if it's cheap enough I'll buy 20 dollar games from the bargain bin if they look interesting. Anyways long rant short there's no point in waving your finger at many of us all you're coming off as is either pompous or an RIAA/MPAA supporter those it does have an effect on to some degree are stuck by circumstance into their situations even if they don't like it because they can't make ends meet any other way and still be able to enjoy a flick every so often.

soulxtc
soulxtc

OMG Sarge still on your odd anti file-sharing holocaust rant? R u really on vacation or has evil P2P left you unemployed along with millions of artists actors and actresses? /sarcasm "if you want artists like drew wilson or companies like http://www.nexon.net to provide you with crappy entertainment continue on with file sharing?" Artists make most of their money from touring anyways....they only get $1 from a $20 CD "Artist Praises File-Sharing for Increasing Ability to Tour" Slightly Stoopid frontman Miles Doughty calls P2P a means of spreading music to the "masses [who] may not have heard of your music in the first place." http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9586/Artist+Praises+File-Sharing+for+Increasing+Ability+to+Tour/

sarge2004
sarge2004

Drew you will not take rejection and try to improve on yourself if your demo comes into my office into the garbage basket it will go and you will get a letter from us saying "although we really like your music and think you are talented you are not the right fit for us at this time" I hope you have or can get a college degree or go into the military otherwise your options are pumping gas working at walmart mc donalds and from what I have heard it is not a fun livelyhood you are a kid and kid's think they are invincible I was no different at your age there is no way I am going to waste time telling you what is wrong with your music all I can say is that if you are not at the level of tiesto or dj sasha you need to sit back and think on what you can do to improve your craft giving away music it is very easy to do hell I know jerkoff broke artists that have given away 20 million free downloads off of the net but they have to still pay to play at shows where only 50 show up and they have yet to sell 1000 cd's not very impressive and I really do not care that you think you are right and I am wrong I doubt you even have a 150k car that you bought on your own I have 4 and Miles who ????? I wonder how long he will last. I doubt if we will hear much of him next year. another example of premature

sarge2004
sarge2004

and soulxtc why do you call yourself soulxtc are you a rapper ? are you a soul brother ? and again p2p p4p has put the record label out of business and that also put most artists out of business

soulxtc
soulxtc

@Sarge "Drew you will not take rejection and try to improve on yourself" ....hmm sounds curiously like you. The world has rejected you and your method of content distribution and you refuse to improve yourself and your own method. Who the hell has a CD player anymore? And one of the biggest reasons for album sales declining is the fact that iTunes - the country's largest music retailer - specializes in selling DIGITAL SINGLES! People buy their favorite track from an album and forego shelling out for the rest if they think its crap. SO unless you make people buy entire albums (not likely) on iTunes you will continue to see a decline as people stop buying entire physical CDs and buy the biggest hit. And I hate to tell you but Slightly Stoopid (Miles is the lead singer) has toured nationally with Dave Matthews Band sold several MILLION albums and are well respected in the dubstyle/reggae community "The band has taken its live show to as far-away shores as Australia Japan Guam Amsterdam Portugal and Denmark the U.K. Germany Holland and the Dominican Republic and supported the likes of the Dave Matthews Band Damian “Jr. Gong” Marley and the Marley Brothers Sublime The Roots G. Love Toots and the Maytals and Pennywise." - http://www.slightlystoopid.com They play to sold out shows wherever they go and have been playing and touring since 2002..... "but they have to still pay to play at shows where only 50 show up and they have yet to sell 1000 cd's"....???? Even shitty bands get more than 50 to show up hell you can get at least 25 friends every time. Rapper? Hardly. Are you a "sarge?" Hardly. Are you an idiotic? Certainly. Face it file-sharing is here to stay whether you like it or not. So long as users can connect one another u cant stop it. I could send a .RAR file of any album right now to a dozen people and there's no way an ISP or anybody else can stop that unless they plan on downloading and inspecting everything people transmit to one another - NOT GONNA HAPPEN. There's a million ways to share files and more are being devised every day. BTW it just proves my point that you aren't really hurting at all. Maybe if you weren't so busy driving your old ass around town and actually sat down to figure out how to adjust t the new paradigm that is digital content you might just figure out a way to get your 5th mid-life crisis trophy. So quit your crying do everybody a favor and shove all 4 of those 150000 car up your ass. Maybe then you'll have the epiphany u so desperately need.

mountain_rage
mountain_rage

ISP's attempts to make their networks better capable of handling P2P is destroying the record labels? Considering that there are allot of legal files being transferred via P2P I can't see ISP's trying to make their networks more compatible with P2P any business of the record labels. Especially when P2P growth continues as more and more companies use it to subsidize distribution costs. Maybe I'm missing you're interpretation of P4P

soulxtc
soulxtc

@MR Exactly.....content distributors love P2P because it reduces their server load. Plus P2P is driving the demand for faster and more costlier internet connections. Who the hell needs a 1.8 MB/s DL and 371 kB/s UL connection speed like I have? Web browsing? Please. I'd drop down about three tiers in a NY minute and they'd lose about $40 bucks per subscriber (imagine the losses considering they say more than 50% of Internet traffic is P2P related) if they somehow managed to magically make BitTorrent disappear and I know Im not alone.

sarge2004
sarge2004

Soulxtc you are so full of it they did not sell millions and millions of cd's if they did they would be all over MTV VH1 you are a moron a buffoon and a jerkoff always remember that I am so sick of your stoopid comments that you no longer exist in my world

sarge2004
sarge2004

It is like talking to pre schoolers on here unless you own a multi national company that brings in hundreds of millions of dollars euro's in revenues you will never have a clue as to what I am conveying I am done

DrewWilson
DrewWilson

To reference Wierd Al I personally fail to see the need to be able to afford a solid gold humvee. What I'm actually saying is that it's possible that two business models can emerge in the same industry. One where success is defined by how many millions of dollars the record labels make off the backs of artists and one where fans can directly support the artists. The internet and bricks and mortor are two completely different worlds and fans can be located in both. They can migrate from one to the other but both industries can survive. You actually have to know how to operate a computer in order to get in on the internet side of the music industry and there's plenty of people who don't know how to use a computer (ala John McCain and many older people who don't really understand computers) You don't have to like my music (never said you did) and there's hundreds of thousands of other people who might think differently about my music if I should decide to go the rout of sending demo CDs to promoters like the slightly older days. These days you don't even have to be a signed artist to promote yourself throughout the world and I shall exploit this revolution to my full benefit. Whether I get money in the future or not is up to the fans who have money to spare but and I'm sure it's hard for you to understand I'm not in it for the money either. People downloading my music is just as good as a sale as far as I'm concerned. It's even better though seeing other people start getting creative after seeing what I've been able to do and trying out music production for the first time themselves (which also has happened) I'm happy be able to put my money where my mouth is and do something about the opportunity we have today through uncensored p2p in a constructive way instead of just saying that the big industry is headed in the wrong direction. Again success is in the eye of the beholder - you define successs by how many cars is sitting in your garage. I define success as being recognized for my productivity beyong the capitalistic need to accumulate wealth. I'd rather be making a difference in society then being borderline suicidal in a mansion.

DrewWilson
DrewWilson

I'd like to also note that people like you (sarge) are welcome here but namecalling and being egotistical isn't necessarily called for. I like debating these things from time to time it's just a shame that your side of the debates is being poorly represented on your side this time around since it's clear that you can't debate the issues in a calm manner (I've seen people who share your opinions do far better at being calm about it at the same time) I'd suggest giving yourself a cooling off period (a day is frequently sufficient) and when you have collected your thoughts coming back since I've seen these debates carried out in a civil manner in the past (which is quite nice to see even if I am on one side of it)

soulxtc
soulxtc

"Im done" ....that's the sanest thing you've said so farI hope you keep your word. "you are a moron a buffoon and a jerkoff always remember that"...all I'll remember is that you and 7 of your idiot rich friends beating up some poor defenseless guy in a bar because you can't put a down payment on your fifth 150000 car. Real cool. You're the jerkoff. I'll bet the guy's just struggling to put food on the table in this messed up economy. "I am so sick of your stoopid comments that you no longer exist in my world" - hmm I guess you can add me to the long list of other things that dont exist in your world like sanity happiness and realistic expectations. Just like file-sharing WILL ALWAYS EXIST so too will you in a life of ignorance and dissatisfaction with yourself the progress of mankind and the unflinching persistence of technology which seems to frustrate so you so very very much. If only it was 1981 again right? You're like an old VCR that's still angry about DVDs. BTW they have sold millions over the course of 8 years and and almost a dozen albums but Im sure you wouldnt have a clue about them anymore than you do about yourself and your limitations when it comes to trying to shape the world and the communications between individuals to suit your own outdated business plan so that you can fill your garage with more mid-life crisis trophies. Vroooommmmm!!!!! It is America after all I guess take and consume as much as you can from it and dont look back and to be on the safe side lets make the world stop evolving and actually regress so that you and your golfing buddies can get their fill for as long as possible. Id like to note that I burned a copy of an album for my buddy during the writing of this post... :P

villiby
villiby

@ soluxtc Im betting it was more like: /oh guys hes selling pirated DVDs! /that makes me hot /lets go to my moms basement and touch each other /you have a mom? SCORE! ....... @sarge2004 You are one jobless fart... You've posted around 50% of the comments here.. You said "Im done" again and again but came back for more.. You keep saying you're not a programmer and by the shocking amount of time you have to troll ZP forums Im guessing you dont have a job... Dude do we look like we give a rat's ass about your opinion? Stop wasting your time posting on and on and do something useful... You clearly aren't helping your side of the debate..

sarge2004
sarge2004

We and others came to that conclusion over the last few days at our various emergency meetings they have the money you do not better that we win from them if you want affordable digital media why don't you and your friends go out on the web learn how to make movies music and software make it put it out and then you can sell it among yourselves for whatever price you choose I know that in the next year or so file sharing will come to a halt your opinions on how the world works do not matter you have no rights you only think you do. we have the gold we make the rules and we let you play in our world. you can say whatever you want but the gloves have come off. Yes we are getting into other areas of business but we are still going to collect on the hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue from the last 5 years. and you can mark my words the ISP's will no longer hold back your private information when they find themselves in the middle of lawsuits from folks that are giants and captains of industry Music was not enough to cause a problem but along with software and movies pandoras box has been opened and it is going to be a blood bath speaking in the legal sense. I will not shed one tear as many of you will have the choice between paying hefty fines and penalties that could be in the thousands or prison where the file sharers will be among the real criminals of our world. When thousands of you are made examples of others will stop and it is not me but another 2000 like me that are fed up. so again file share away you are like fish in the ocean we cannot catch all of you but we can catch a shipload of you and that will be enough to put this to an end. We want the music and software industries to return back to being recession proof and invincible.

wapazoid
wapazoid

As I already stated your vengeful "1984" scenario won't happen. One would think that a supreme corporate entity such as yourself would have the ability to articulate yourself in English far better than you've been demonstrating let alone maintain composure befitting a professional of your stature. You're not a programmer you're not a 30 year recording artist or part of an elite government backed entertainment illuminati. At best your a young teenage son of a oil baron who makes occasional investments in US ventures. You're nothing but pointless text on a screen.

VAMPYRE BLADE
VAMPYRE BLADE

I think some one is dillusional and living in his own fantasy world or more likely someone who has nothing else to do but try and push peoples buttons to get a rise out of them for his own pleasure. If you had all this money and all this power you wouldnt be sitting at the computer blogging about file sharing. Remember what happens to all tyrants who try control free people the un doesnt control america as much as you wish it did.

colbyu
colbyu

I'm firing up two file sharing clients right now as sort of an electronic "fuck you" to the RIAA MPAA BSA and the like. I hope I can cost them a ton of cash. I hope they go bankrupt and cant afford their expensive trained attack lawyers and politicians. I hope their top execs end up so broke that they can only afford one car and a modest home in an average but nice neighborhood. It's no longer about the music. It's about doing my small part to help bankrupt an entire corrupt industry that poses severe threats to our freedom. When I read sarges comments all I can say is that I hope there's some grain of truth in that crazy asshole's rants. I hope he and his cronies really are hurting financially from all of our activities. If they can be tossed aside like they deserve everyone wins. Musicians will still make music their world will not end they'll just be forced to live or die based on their own skills and merit rather than based on how many times in one day the execs can pay to have their latest tune played on some Clearchanel clone.

Pirate Pete
Pirate Pete

quote"we have the gold we make the rules and we let you play in our world." Guess again sarge... the rules have changed its not run by greed anymore its time to crawl back under yor rock

sarge2004
sarge2004

For you yokles this is from another post time is running out Posted by: dan tanner | Aug 25 2008 8:59:10 AM Actually that is what goes on in a court room file sharers are getting treated as bad as drug dealers they are getting placed in the area of enemy combatants they showed me in court that trillions of dollars not billions but trillions have been lost due to file sharing and that makes sense a billion file sharers would equal trillions of files sent around the world over the last 10 years I did have to show up to court to pay the fines they would not take a check by mail it was a nightmare I hope to never go through again. remember the guy who just got 25 years ? he is a kid who lost his life thanks to file sharing thank god I escaped that fate The judge explained to me that file sharers have no skills that are beneficial to the government or other industries unlike hackers most file sharers have the skills of a burger flipper and they are expendable at least a hacker is recruited by the government to further their causes file sharers have zero benefit to society and yet they are a major cause of why the economies of the world are suffering. Well I kept my mouth shut and let him finish. It is going to stop no doubt about it in some countries leaders are quietly rounding up file sharers and putting them to death. It is not funny anymore and yes most of you will not get caught but the problem is that you do not know who will be spared and who will be made an example of I for one am never doing it again so who is the dickhead now eh ?

sarge2004
sarge2004

so who is the dickhead now eh ?

starwhite
starwhite

@ Sarge2004 I think you're very hard headed...haven't you been listening to the REAL people here? If file sharing is equaling into hundreds of millions people then for a FACT people want digital media such as movies music & games delivered at an affordable cost. YOU will never have it the wait was when you could charge $18.00 to 24.00 for a single music CD EVER! The times they are a changin dickhead! ALL you do is use lies fear and intimidation to manipulate people because thats all your kind knows. I am SO angry at you! People sharing files is a CIVIL offense NOT a criminal offense got it? STOP trying to scare people! you should be ashamed of yourself! GO and make positive changes & try using love & trust & human compassion instead of so much GREED & lust for money & power. Basically you suck and are a TOTAL ASS. Always remember that........no one like you or trusts you you're a dummy that cannot figure out how to run a company except into the ground! i would FIRE you in a heartbeat!!!! you are WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sarge2004
sarge2004

I do have a question here do any of you have more skills than that of a burger flipper wal mart greeter 7 11 cashier ? if not you cannot afford what you are sharing anyway are any of you expert hackers ? at least they still have a choice between recruitment or jail

sarge2004
sarge2004

and no starwhite file sharing is and has always been a criminal offense call your local attorney and they will tell you. there have been laws for years that have not been enforced until now read the terms of agreement in every product you download I believe prison is in there somewhere it is also at the beginning of every dvd movie you have downloaded you are starting fires you cannot afford to put out

sarge2004
sarge2004

just like you are sharing hundreds of files you cannot afford to buy I can if you had like 5 or 6 files but hundreds or thousands ? you would have to make at least a 500k a year to afford that many I imagine most of you make about 60k-100k a year and the majority of you make under 30k a year not only has file sharing cost us in revenue but it also robbed most of you out of seeking a better education

Mord_Sith
Mord_Sith

Actually I am still seeking better education Sarge I'm shooting for my Oracle training soon and with it more job opportunities as for Jail time file sharing is a civil offense not a jail-able offense but you know what's stupid if you do that you're going to create a dirty thirties scenario where jail time becomes an acceptable means because you'll be locking up someone from every third door down the street. It's laughable but have you ever seen a Canadian prison? They get better bloody treatment than anyone else in the under 30K a year bracket for crying out loud I'm honestly ashamed sometimes when I hear about plans to put in an Olympic size swimming pool into these places or a super-gym or more amenities in the cells. Nobody's going to wind up going to prison because of this rubbish because it will only make it worse rather than better because I know for a fact that a bunch of your own buddies will wind up in the lockup as well one of my former bosses of a multi-million dollar company here in the 'peg was an obsessive file-sharer not to mention one or two of his managers as well do you know what kind of an IT nightmare that is?!? You're talking to the down and outs when instead you should be talking to your peers about their own habits because they can bloody well afford this crap because although you may or may not be striking a chord there's not much the down & outs can do about their lot and as I said there are more people than you think whom actually pay for their games when they can so turning on people like this will only galvanize them to what they are doing. Besides for one who's now washed their hands of this topic 3 times by my count you're still awfully chatty about it.

VAMPYRE BLADE
VAMPYRE BLADE

I think some one watch the movie minority report too many times. I dont know what country you come from but sounds more like a dictatorship and not a free country. If you really think they are going to shoot people for file sharing you need to get off the drugs your selling.

wapazoid
wapazoid

It's funny. You seem to continuously dodge my question regarding Microsoft's Zune Pass. I don't share or download music movies or software. I have a tendency to support and praise legal distributors that are on the forefront of providing affordable content. For the third time I pay only $15 USD per month and download as many full length mainstream albums as I see fit. Withinin a week's time I have amassed nearly 800 albums (nearly 11000 songs). It's true... for the cost of ONE CD per month I can listen to thousands on either my PC or portable player. To me this is a very intelligent step in the right direction. Now that you mention skills you'd be surprised as to what many members of this community do for a living. My career involves programming and graphic design. All tools of the trade are purchased legally by me including operating systems. I don't seem to have a problem finding work. I certainly don't make enough to afford extravagent expenses but you won't find me in line at a local BestBuy holding $50 worth of music CD's.. a whole whopping three of them. You're a dying breed and possibly the most ignorant online persona to ever grace this website. Move along now and invest in tangible products. Something tells me your comment about education is aimed to those here that are still in high school. Your specious rants have me questioning yours.

sarge2004
sarge2004

all I can say is read the fine print on every software product dvd cd cover if you duplicate and distribute it is a criminal offense 5 years in prison 250k fine. it is enforceable when needed and for those of you that buy programs music and movies legally good for you but why do you bother putting yourself in harms way getting involved in file sharing it is like buying liquor for minors why deal with the risk ? all it takes is one time to get busted also wapazoid I am sure you have heard this before I recommend hiring a high profile law firm to represent your product in SF or NY that is what we did when we started out it was very expensive but that move guaranteed our success for our product to get to first to market if you get my meaning.

wapazoid
wapazoid

If the fine print were a solid platform for criminal prosecution in the United States hundreds of thousands would have been jailed and fined since the introduction of cassette and VHS tapes. And you probably wouldn't be complaining today. When I was a kid I used to record my favorite songs off the radio onto casette tapes. I'd also make my own mix tapes recorded from store bought vinyl records and give them to friends and girlfriends as gifts. It was simply a part of being social. Should I have been hung for it? What are your views on fair use or is your world truly black and white? I do agree with a few comments already made at those hoarding copyright material simply because they can... it's an asshole move. At least give in and BUY something now and then. These are the same people that don't mind spending $80 for a pair of poorly crafted shoes and clothing with a stranger's name on it. Talk about commercial branding. Those that counterfeit and pirate for profit are the ones that truly harm the industry. These are the people copyright holders target the most. As for the rest scare tactics are about as good as it's going to get. I'm not an investor inventor or entrepreneur. I'm just an average tax paying American consumer that knows a lousy business model when he sees one.

VAMPYRE BLADE
VAMPYRE BLADE

He is just mad because they cant cheap us anymore in the beginning if we bought music games software and we opened the package and it sucked we were screwed out of our money nothing we could do but deal with a crap they sold us while they laughed all the way to the bank then came cd burners and people would get together and buy one copy and burn everyone one from the original they were mad about that too but they still made money and still got away with selling junk now comes file sharing where we can all download it and try it and see if its any good and if it sucks delete it and never bother with it again and thats what he is really mad about because way back in the vhs days pirates where around hes pissed because they cant sell us junk and stick us with it anymore we can try before we buy with file sharing and thats his real problem. So i know every one of us here got screwed over with bad software music and games long ago.

sarge2004
sarge2004

See no one is invincible or anonymous from perez hilton Don't eff with Axl Rose y'all! A few months ago nine songs from Guns 'n' Roses' 14-years-in-the making Chinese Democracy album were leaked on to the Internets. Well the man accused of posting the GnR songs Kevin Cogill was arrested on Wednesday morning in Culver City CA. Cogill admitted to posting the songs when he was questioned by an FBI agent according to an affidavit. A federal attorney said he's expected to appear in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles later today. You can never hide from the Feds….or people with a lot of money!

wapazoid
wapazoid

I wonder if the FBI are picking people up for sharing Appetite for Destruction. Or do you think they got involved because Chinese Democracy still hasn't been officially released? This reminds me when a screener was released of the first Hulk film and the uploader was caught and faced jail time. People weren't being arrested for sharing episodes of the 1970's television show. Any more news gems?

VAMPYRE BLADE
VAMPYRE BLADE

He knows the fbi only got into it because its unreleased. He totally ignored my post about how they use to be able to cheat us and we had no recourse to fix it.

wapazoid
wapazoid

He also avoids my questions about online music services.

sarge2004
sarge2004

again it is a matter of time The Family Entertainment and Copyright Act is a federal legislative act regarding copyright that became law in the United States in 2005. The Act consists of two subparts: the Artist's Rights and Theft Prevention Act of 2005 which increases penalties for copyright infringement and the Family Home Movie Act of 2005 which permits the development of technology to "sanitize" potentially offensive DVD content. The Family Entertainment and Copyright Act was introduced into the United States Senate (of the 109th United States Congress) on January 25 2005 by Senator Orrin Hatch (R - Utah) and was signed into law by President George W. Bush on April 27 2005. The act provides theater owners and employees with both civil and criminal immunity for questioning suspected violators or detaining them while police are summoned. Contents [hide] * 1 Artist's Rights and Theft Prevention Act of 2005 * 2 Family Home Movie Act of 2005 * 3 See also * 4 External links [edit] Artist's Rights and Theft Prevention Act of 2005 This act also known as the "ART Act" is targeted at preventing piracy of movies and software. It specifically targets two activities: filming movies in a movie theater and early release of movies and software before they become publicly available. Anyone who "knowingly uses or attempts to use an audiovisual recording device to transmit or make a copy of a ... protected work... from a performance of such work in a motion picture exhibition facility..." may be imprisoned up to three years for a first time offender and up to six years for a repeat offender in addition to any fines that may be levied under the U.S. Criminal Code for copyright infringement. With regard to unreleased works intended for public distribution (e.g. beta software or workprints) anyone who makes a work that the copyright owner expects to distribute commercially but is not yet distributed shall be punished if the work is "made available on a computer network accessible to members of the public if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution." First time offenders can get up to three years in jail or five if they committed the offense for financial gain. Repeat offenders can get up to six years in jail or ten years if the offense was committed for financial gain. These penalties are in addition to any penalties for violating non-disclosure agreements or trade secret law. [edit] Family Home Movie Act of 2005 This section is an exemption of liability allowing the creation of technology that can edit a DVD movie on the fly and create a censored version of that movie. This provision arose out of a lawsuit between ClearPlay a Salt Lake City-based company that markets DVD-sanitizing technology and a number of Hollywood studios and directors. The ClearPlay technology allows a home consumer to screen out up to 14 different categories of objectionable content such as drug use sexual situations or foul language. The act does not permit one to create a new hardcopy of a movie in a completely "sanitized" format nor does it permit the technology to replace or insert new video or audio to replace the offending content. Thus a company cannot create and market a clean DVD copy of Goodfellas but it can develop a DVD player which can be programmed to skip past the offending parts and/or blank out the offending video or audio contained in a scene.

sarge2004
sarge2004

Online music services are killing the music business It is offically off by 80% I predict that within 3 years cd sales will be way back up and you will be forced to pay full retail prices whether you like it or not Further more I predict online music sites will be shut down as the new business model will return back to retail stores selling cd's in the local shopping malls and again we can make 12 bucks a cd wholesale with sales in the hundreds of millions Your protesting and ideals of how it should be will die as more and more file sharers get arrested by the FBI and thrown in prison I suggest you hire a lawyer and ask him or her what your real rights are before you continue on Cogill thought he was in the right and invincible why do you think that is ? How and why do you think he got busted ?

sarge2004
sarge2004

the witch hunt will continue and there is no stopping that so the question now becomes do you really want to ruin your lives over protesting ? file sharing is now in the same category as killing stealing grand theft drug dealing file sharers go to the same prisons as real criminals I am not trying to scare you I am just telling you that your virtual world is crossing into reality and in the real worl there are consequences for file sharing this copyright law that was passed was in 2005 why do you think they had to pass it ? because supposedly file sharing is not hurting anyone right ? well fuck you it is HURTING EVERYONE

wapazoid
wapazoid

If online music services are killing the industry why are they making deals with them to distribute digital content? You're not making much sense. Are you going to come off and say that the RIAA and industry big whigs have nothing to do with the many legitimate services out there right now? Do you really think digital formats will disappear into the ether and millions will be forced back into buying music CD's at full price? You must also believe the internet is a fad. You're old. You're thinking is old. That's why you're dying. I doubt you're capable of scaring anyone. How many file sharers do you think are in prison within the US today? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? And you speak of file sharers being rounded up and killed... in what rat infested third world toilet does this happen in? Fuck YOU. You're HURTING YOURSELF.

sarge2004
sarge2004

Wapazoid I do not care about scaring anyone I pity those who will end up in big trouble because they refuse to listen to change face it a massive campaign is slowly getting underway and in a few years cd's blue ray hd dvd dvd's or whatever hard copy format is available at that time will be in your local store to buy at the designated retail price and lets just forget about prison for a second just getting arrested will kill any chance at a normal life or career as that incarceration will follow you where ever you go for the rest of your life and the bail will be at least 5k out of your own pocket not to mention the fines and penalties after that. I predict a 90% drop in file sharing and at the same time a 90% rise in music sales 70% increase in software sales and a 40% increase in movie dvd sales and that is the way it should be and that will bring harmony back into this economy.