Comments on: Biggest RIAA Campus Crackdown Ever: 569 Students Get ‘Settlement’ Letters http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/ Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:04:59 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Theinfamousone http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180464 Theinfamousone Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180464 I'm curious what their net gain or loss is a year in settlements (after all their lawyer fees etc). If they are making money off it I don't think they care if filesharing is helping their sales the problem is that people are going to keep buying less and less CDs every year NO MATTER WHAT (period). They also know sueing people isn't going to stop it so they get to sue people and they still have file sharing helping them. To be honest I can't remember the last CD I SAW I can't remember the last CD store I saw at a mall. Either it's just totally not on my mind anymore or they just have all but stopped existing at this point. I have a 50 pack of CDs in a spindle that I haven't opened in a couple years now. The point is music is digital now. The only time I can even see CDs being useful today is if I want to play music in my car and my CD pla<x>yer has 1 gig of flash memory that it plays mp3s. The RIAA isn't stupid they know all of this. They probably make some money off of iTunes music store but they know that frankly that's just never going to amount to what CD sales used to be for several reason one is that people are only going to buy the specific song they want like it or not people are smarter than buying a whole $20 CD for one song at this point that will never happen again and secondly is that they can get it for free either by copying their friends CDs directly copying directly from portable music pla<x>yers and laptops etc DIRECTLY or by filesharing. At this point I think i can get most of my music over the college network directly with nothing but my operating system nearly impossible to track and litigate and for sure a lot faster than file sharing. The RIAA knows all this like I said they are just trying to get whatever money they can by whatever means necessary. I'm not so sure they will ever go bankrupt either Sony for example is making plenty of money off movies electronics and whatever other investment holdings they have. I think the record labels will be downsized quite a bit that's definitely possible. I think most artists from now on will make more money off touring and concerts and music video syndications then by selling music I think a lot more money will be made off digital music sales then CD sales. I’m curious what their net gain or loss is a year in settlements (after all their lawyer fees etc). If they are making money off it I don’t think they care if filesharing is helping their sales the problem is that people are going to keep buying less and less CDs every year NO MATTER WHAT (period). They also know sueing people isn’t going to stop it so they get to sue people and they still have file sharing helping them. To be honest I can’t remember the last CD I SAW I can’t remember the last CD store I saw at a mall. Either it’s just totally not on my mind anymore or they just have all but stopped existing at this point. I have a 50 pack of CDs in a spindle that I haven’t opened in a couple years now. The point is music is digital now. The only time I can even see CDs being useful today is if I want to play music in my car and my CD player has 1 gig of flash memory that it plays mp3s. The RIAA isn’t stupid they know all of this. They probably make some money off of iTunes music store but they know that frankly that’s just never going to amount to what CD sales used to be for several reason one is that people are only going to buy the specific song they want like it or not people are smarter than buying a whole $20 CD for one song at this point that will never happen again and secondly is that they can get it for free either by copying their friends CDs directly copying directly from portable music players and laptops etc DIRECTLY or by filesharing. At this point I think i can get most of my music over the college network directly with nothing but my operating system nearly impossible to track and litigate and for sure a lot faster than file sharing. The RIAA knows all this like I said they are just trying to get whatever money they can by whatever means necessary. I’m not so sure they will ever go bankrupt either Sony for example is making plenty of money off movies electronics and whatever other investment holdings they have. I think the record labels will be downsized quite a bit that’s definitely possible. I think most artists from now on will make more money off touring and concerts and music video syndications then by selling music I think a lot more money will be made off digital music sales then CD sales.

]]> By: soulxtc http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180465 soulxtc Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180465 RIAA anti-P2P campaign a real money pit according to testimony http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071002-music-industry-exec-p2p-litigation-is-a-money-pit.html RIAA anti-P2P campaign a real money pit according to testimony
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071002-music-industry-exec-p2p-litigation-is-a-money-pit.html

]]> By: JosefStalin http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180466 JosefStalin Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180466 Its beyond ridiculous for people to make claims that P2P actually increases sales in the music industry. Fine some grossly biased group of kids might have come up with some "study" to "prove" this. But there are billions of other more genuine studies that show otherwise. Its just common sense. OF COURSE illegal file sharing results in less profit for the music companies. And the game companies. And the porn companies. I used to buy a little music some DVDs quite a few games and a fair bit of porn every year. This all stopped in 1999. Coincidentally thats when I started with the file sharing. I dont think Im alone in this. Obviously suing people like this isnt going to help the music industry much but lets not delude ourselves into thinking that sharing S Club 7's latest single is actually helping the music industry. Its beyond ridiculous for people to make claims that P2P actually increases sales in the music industry. Fine some grossly biased group of kids might have come up with some “study” to “prove” this. But there are billions of other more genuine studies that show otherwise.

Its just common sense. OF COURSE illegal file sharing results in less profit for the music companies. And the game companies. And the porn companies.

I used to buy a little music some DVDs quite a few games and a fair bit of porn every year. This all stopped in 1999. Coincidentally thats when I started with the file sharing. I dont think Im alone in this.

Obviously suing people like this isnt going to help the music industry much but lets not delude ourselves into thinking that sharing S Club 7’s latest single is actually helping the music industry.

]]> By: Mord_Sith http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180467 Mord_Sith Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180467 Despite the fact that I know that I can download chit all the time I'm still buying games and movies (I don't buy songs 'cause well I'm really lazy and don't want a pile of CDs in my house besides most of the music I like isn't exactly popular) I'm just able to be a little more selective there are three categories of games or shows with me the absolutely terrible (Delete After Discovery) the OK(Keep Download Only) and the Good (Support Producers of the Game). Sufficed to say I'm a little picky as to the games and companies I will support however over half of the Shows and Games I've downloaded I've purchased on DVD or are on my wish-list when I see it next in stores and have the spare cash to buy it. Despite the fact that I know that I can download chit all the time I’m still buying games and movies (I don’t buy songs ’cause well I’m really lazy and don’t want a pile of CDs in my house besides most of the music I like isn’t exactly popular) I’m just able to be a little more selective there are three categories of games or shows with me the absolutely terrible (Delete After Discovery) the OK(Keep Download Only) and the Good (Support Producers of the Game).

Sufficed to say I’m a little picky as to the games and companies I will support however over half of the Shows and Games I’ve downloaded I’ve purchased on DVD or are on my wish-list when I see it next in stores and have the spare cash to buy it.

]]> By: soulxtc http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180468 soulxtc Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180468 @JosefStalin Biased? It was a Canadian-govt funded study.......if the Canadians are anything its hopelessly neutral in all affairs. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/en/h_ip01456e.html @JosefStalin

Biased? It was a Canadian-govt funded study…….if the Canadians are anything its hopelessly neutral in all affairs.

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/en/h_ip01456e.html

]]> By: runbmp http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180469 runbmp Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180469 Thanks to P2P I'm actually buying more music myself. In fact I fell onto last.fm subscribed to the monthly fee and also purchase music from there. I usually purchase clothing merchandise directly from the artist website in most cases since they tend to get a bigger share of income then they would with their albums. sadly. Filesharing ATM does result as a lost for major record labels However this is at the cost of them not adapting or creating a new model for today's digital content. as for pron I tend to watch the homemade/amature stuff which they gladly upload on tube8.com for free. :-) Thanks to P2P I’m actually buying more music myself. In fact I fell onto last.fm subscribed to the monthly fee and also purchase music from there. I usually purchase clothing merchandise directly from the artist website in most cases since they tend to get a bigger share of income then they would with their albums. sadly.

Filesharing ATM does result as a lost for major record labels However this is at the cost of them not adapting or creating a new model for today’s digital content.

as for pron I tend to watch the homemade/amature stuff which they gladly upload on tube8.com for free. :-)

]]> By: El Comandante http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180470 El Comandante Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180470 This is a legal strategy that buys the recording industry time to figure out how they are going to fix their dying business model. Suing college kids is high profile and it is meant as a deterrent. If they can cut their file sharing losses by a third with this campaign then that's millions in their pocket. Their extortion of these 500+ plus kids yields small potatoes. This is a legal strategy that buys the recording industry time to figure out how they are going to fix their dying business model. Suing college kids is high profile and it is meant as a deterrent. If they can cut their file sharing losses by a third with this campaign then that’s millions in their pocket. Their extortion of these 500+ plus kids yields small potatoes.

]]> By: mountain_rage http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180471 mountain_rage Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180471 First of all I wouldn't expect anything less from someone who is named after an idiot like Stalin. He couldn't get communism right didn't understand it and damaged its reputation. Basically he took Marx's ideas and failed to properly deliver them. In fact I would even go so far as to say he was not communist at all but more of a dictator. Anyway contrary to your misguided belief many studies done by independent groups have found that Filesharing results in statically insignificant loss or a gain for the industry as a whole. Unlike your arbitrary belief that free access negatively affects sales these studies use measurable data and statistical processes to validate the hypothesis. This is just off the top of my head but the majority of studies that I've seen that have shown net gain show it in regards to the independent labels. So I would say that could be the motivation for crushing filesharing. Either way most studies that have supported the music industry have simply stated that since the introduction of filesharing their sales have dropped. From what I've seen they never made a statistically significant li<x>nk between loss of sales and Filesharing. Anyway heres some studies by biased kids: Harvard law school http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf Study paid for by Canada done by the University of London http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/en/h_ip01456e.html Two li<x>nks to the actual research from reputable schools. Other examples of success with filesharing would be Nine Inch Nails: Ghosts I-IV Radiohead: In Rainbows Arctic Monkeys etc... Are those not representative of success while offering free music? Do you want more evidence? Nielsen SoundScan did some studies that support the argument that filesharing has negative effects on sales. The only problem is they are paid by the record labels is that unbiased to you? First of all I wouldn’t expect anything less from someone who is named after an idiot like Stalin. He couldn’t get communism right didn’t understand it and damaged its reputation. Basically he took Marx’s ideas and failed to properly deliver them. In fact I would even go so far as to say he was not communist at all but more of a dictator.

Anyway contrary to your misguided belief many studies done by independent groups have found that Filesharing results in statically insignificant loss or a gain for the industry as a whole. Unlike your arbitrary belief that free access negatively affects sales these studies use measurable data and statistical processes to validate the hypothesis. This is just off the top of my head but the majority of studies that I’ve seen that have shown net gain show it in regards to the independent labels. So I would say that could be the motivation for crushing filesharing. Either way most studies that have supported the music industry have simply stated that since the introduction of filesharing their sales have dropped. From what I’ve seen they never made a statistically significant link between loss of sales and Filesharing.

Anyway heres some studies by biased kids:

Harvard law school
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf

Study paid for by Canada done by the University of London
http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/en/h_ip01456e.html

Two links to the actual research from reputable schools. Other examples of success with filesharing would be Nine Inch Nails: Ghosts I-IV Radiohead: In Rainbows Arctic Monkeys etc… Are those not representative of success while offering free music? Do you want more evidence?

Nielsen SoundScan did some studies that support the argument that filesharing has negative effects on sales. The only problem is they are paid by the record labels is that unbiased to you?

]]> By: DrewWilson http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180472 DrewWilson Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180472 Indeed. These so-called "kids" are actually more reputable than the RIAA paid-for studies. Anyone remember the Pollara study that completely backfired on CRIA (RIAA operating in Canada)? It's just one example of how lobbying pushed the concept of cherry-picking data yet when the full study was released it turned out that the CRIA's claim was shot down by their own study. Having been busted for twisting the words of the findings of the study Pollara obviously paid by CRIA to purport a claim tried in vain to counter the arguments of what the study actually said. Naturally that proved to be little more than damaging to Pollara's credibility. Mad props to Law professor Michael Geist for that one: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/component/optioncom_content/taskview/id1168/Itemid85/ Indeed. These so-called “kids” are actually more reputable than the RIAA paid-for studies.

Anyone remember the Pollara study that completely backfired on CRIA (RIAA operating in Canada)? It’s just one example of how lobbying pushed the concept of cherry-picking data yet when the full study was released it turned out that the CRIA’s claim was shot down by their own study.

Having been busted for twisting the words of the findings of the study Pollara obviously paid by CRIA to purport a claim tried in vain to counter the arguments of what the study actually said. Naturally that proved to be little more than damaging to Pollara’s credibility. Mad props to Law professor Michael Geist for that one:

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/component/optioncom_content/taskview/id1168/Itemid85/

]]> By: JosefStalin http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9407/biggest_riaa_campus_crackdown_ever_569_students_get_settlement_letters/#comment-180473 JosefStalin Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 #comment-180473 I only have a degree in political science studied theory rather extensively worked in a major political party in the UK financially supported a revolutionary party and read a weekly communist newspaper so I wont attempt to correct some 22 year old engineering student and soccer fan's obviously deep knowledge on all things progressive and political. Its just common sense that illegal downloading does not increase sales for these companies. Yeah some people may pay for products that they've already downloaded for free. But the vast overwhelming majority of people dont have this moral hangup and/or the money. I only have a degree in political science studied theory rather extensively worked in a major political party in the UK financially supported a revolutionary party and read a weekly communist newspaper so I wont attempt to correct some 22 year old engineering student and soccer fan’s obviously deep knowledge on all things progressive and political.

Its just common sense that illegal downloading does not increase sales for these companies. Yeah some people may pay for products that they’ve already downloaded for free. But the vast overwhelming majority of people dont have this moral hangup and/or the money.

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