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	<title>Comments on: Indie Label Boss: &#8216;I Challenge File-Sharers to a Debate&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: disyntr</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180690</link>
		<dc:creator>disyntr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather a public debate in front of regular computer users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather a public debate in front of regular computer users.</p>
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		<title>By: dubstylee</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180691</link>
		<dc:creator>dubstylee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m your huckleberry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m your huckleberry</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle4</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180692</link>
		<dc:creator>Dizzle4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see a public debate too but hey this is good too. Someone step up cause I&#039;m no debater!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see a public debate too but hey this is good too. Someone step up cause I&#8217;m no debater!</p>
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		<title>By: Signa</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180693</link>
		<dc:creator>Signa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm. im near seattle i could do this.  doubt i will but its a interesting thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm. im near seattle i could do this.  doubt i will but its a interesting thought</p>
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		<title>By: manakazero</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180694</link>
		<dc:creator>manakazero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>file sharing is cool i stole ur musak :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>file sharing is cool i stole ur musak <img src='http://www.zeropaid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: disyntr</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180695</link>
		<dc:creator>disyntr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone really say that? I&#039;ve never heard of anyone saying i stole ur musak. I believe I&#039;d have to take a swing at somebody for saying that dumb shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone really say that? I&#8217;ve never heard of anyone saying i stole ur musak. I believe I&#8217;d have to take a swing at somebody for saying that dumb shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gamer8585</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180696</link>
		<dc:creator>Gamer8585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this jackass is coming to my city so if you guys want I&#039;ll take his challenge. I&#039;m going to go to the forums to look for support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this jackass is coming to my city so if you guys want I&#8217;ll take his challenge. I&#8217;m going to go to the forums to look for support.</p>
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		<title>By: DrewWilson</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9310/indie_label_boss_i_challenge_filesharers_to_a_debate/#comment-180697</link>
		<dc:creator>DrewWilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a few debates on file-sharing in my time face to face.  I argue that it has given artists a unique advantage over traditional distribution methods and enabled people like myself to reach out to audiences that would otherwise not be possible.

The response for me has always been &#039;yeah well that&#039;s all well and true but your still stealing our music.&#039;  I counter that I am simply redistributing my own music and the counterargument has generally been &#039;yeah but who downloads YOUR music anyway?  Everyone is stealing OUR music illegally instead.&#039;  I counter of course that a 6 figure number has downloaded my music myself and I get a &#039;that&#039;s just anomolous and not normal.  The reality is that people arn&#039;t downloading your music.&#039;

It&#039;s funny how I have proof that it&#039;s not about downloading copyrighted music in all cases yet the counterargument is to deny the solid evidence and general avoidance of my claim simply due to the fact that there really isn&#039;t a counterargument against what I&#039;m personally doing.  Course I got a good amount of practice to keep a straight face at this point in time but on the inside I&#039;m going &#039;LOL!&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a few debates on file-sharing in my time face to face.  I argue that it has given artists a unique advantage over traditional distribution methods and enabled people like myself to reach out to audiences that would otherwise not be possible.</p>
<p>The response for me has always been &#8216;yeah well that&#8217;s all well and true but your still stealing our music.&#8217;  I counter that I am simply redistributing my own music and the counterargument has generally been &#8216;yeah but who downloads YOUR music anyway?  Everyone is stealing OUR music illegally instead.&#8217;  I counter of course that a 6 figure number has downloaded my music myself and I get a &#8216;that&#8217;s just anomolous and not normal.  The reality is that people arn&#8217;t downloading your music.&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how I have proof that it&#8217;s not about downloading copyrighted music in all cases yet the counterargument is to deny the solid evidence and general avoidance of my claim simply due to the fact that there really isn&#8217;t a counterargument against what I&#8217;m personally doing.  Course I got a good amount of practice to keep a straight face at this point in time but on the inside I&#8217;m going &#8216;LOL!&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: mountain_rage</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountain_rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you email the guy and do an interview over the phone soul??? If he truely wants the opinion of file sharers I would believe he may be willing to do a phone conference for the info.

 My personal defense to filesharing is that you can&#039;t blame the consumer for your shortcomings. No one would of flocked to P2P if the old system wasn&#039;t flawed. It proved that when control is given to the consumer many would rather not pay for music. But instead of trying to working around this reality maybe lowering prices or giving people incentive to buy music they chose to keep with the model that revolved around control. Thankfully for consumers sadly for record labels the internet isn&#039;t easy to censor. So instead of the overpriced cd&#039;s of the past consumers are getting the free music. One could even go so far as to defend that before recording apparatus music was a performance art and that was how individuals were compensated. There is no reason why it cannot travel back to those roots. I mean you have artist like Celine Dion and Kanye West charging over 100$ a ticket for their shows if you look at the capacity of most arenas that&#039;s allot of money. Also considering the way computers have simplified recording and removed much of the cost associated to music production their is no reason to charge the amounts or any amount for music anymore. There have even been studies done on the limitations of music and how the craft itself is simply the inspirational use of music we have already heard. So in essence music copies music so how does protecting that make sense? Part of me wonders just how much redundancy we have in music today. Because in the end music isn&#039;t every possible sound imaginable its restricted to a climatically structure one that has a limit. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you email the guy and do an interview over the phone soul??? If he truely wants the opinion of file sharers I would believe he may be willing to do a phone conference for the info.</p>
<p> My personal defense to filesharing is that you can&#8217;t blame the consumer for your shortcomings. No one would of flocked to P2P if the old system wasn&#8217;t flawed. It proved that when control is given to the consumer many would rather not pay for music. But instead of trying to working around this reality maybe lowering prices or giving people incentive to buy music they chose to keep with the model that revolved around control. Thankfully for consumers sadly for record labels the internet isn&#8217;t easy to censor. So instead of the overpriced cd&#8217;s of the past consumers are getting the free music. One could even go so far as to defend that before recording apparatus music was a performance art and that was how individuals were compensated. There is no reason why it cannot travel back to those roots. I mean you have artist like Celine Dion and Kanye West charging over 100$ a ticket for their shows if you look at the capacity of most arenas that&#8217;s allot of money. Also considering the way computers have simplified recording and removed much of the cost associated to music production their is no reason to charge the amounts or any amount for music anymore. There have even been studies done on the limitations of music and how the craft itself is simply the inspirational use of music we have already heard. So in essence music copies music so how does protecting that make sense? Part of me wonders just how much redundancy we have in music today. Because in the end music isn&#8217;t every possible sound imaginable its restricted to a climatically structure one that has a limit.</p>
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		<title>By: DrewWilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrewWilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention what is going on in the courts with the RIAA lawsuits today.  It&#039;s no longer a question on whether a screenshot or an IP address constitutes as evidence it&#039;s more of a question of if even that is needed to convict someone.  There&#039;s only a limited number of things that could get you convicted with something in the US that doesn&#039;t require evidence and far more serious crimes require much more than hersay for a conviction.  Remember the dead woman they filed a lawsuit against a year or so ago?

What about the whole concept of shutting down a service because it could circumvent DRM?  The DVD Jukebox which only up until recently was not allowed to exist without costing an arm and a leg in royalty costs?  Even if you are all for stopping bootleggers in third world countries I&#039;m sure there is recognition for some that the control to innovate should be limited at worst.  Right now that control is obsene and unecessary.

What about the Sony Rootkit fiasco?  The actual whistleblower was technically breaking the anti-circumvention laws just to point out that the DRM would destabilize your computer and open yourself wide to hackers.

...just to name three more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention what is going on in the courts with the RIAA lawsuits today.  It&#8217;s no longer a question on whether a screenshot or an IP address constitutes as evidence it&#8217;s more of a question of if even that is needed to convict someone.  There&#8217;s only a limited number of things that could get you convicted with something in the US that doesn&#8217;t require evidence and far more serious crimes require much more than hersay for a conviction.  Remember the dead woman they filed a lawsuit against a year or so ago?</p>
<p>What about the whole concept of shutting down a service because it could circumvent DRM?  The DVD Jukebox which only up until recently was not allowed to exist without costing an arm and a leg in royalty costs?  Even if you are all for stopping bootleggers in third world countries I&#8217;m sure there is recognition for some that the control to innovate should be limited at worst.  Right now that control is obsene and unecessary.</p>
<p>What about the Sony Rootkit fiasco?  The actual whistleblower was technically breaking the anti-circumvention laws just to point out that the DRM would destabilize your computer and open yourself wide to hackers.</p>
<p>&#8230;just to name three more&#8230;</p>
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