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Kiss frontman criticizes them for letting fans pay as little or as much as they please for their latest album "In Rainbows," and says every file-sharer should be sued off the face of the earth.


The always outspoken and always hustling Gene Simmons of Kiss had much to say recently about the state of music, illegal file-sharing, and Radiohead's decision to let fans choose the price of the recently released "In Rainbows."


There's no doubt that Simmons comes from the old school music biz where people had to trek down to the local music store and wait in line to buy an overpriced CD each time their favorite music artist made a new album.


You can tell by a recent interview that he hasn't quite figured out yet that times have changed, that CDs are pretty much finished and that music is slowly becoming a commodity that nobody wants to pay for any longer unless the proceeds go directly to the artist themselves.


"There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music," he says. " How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free?"


He then goes on to criticize college kids, and every "freshly-scrubbed little kid" who illegally shares music files and they both "...should have been sued off the face of the earth."



The record industry doesn't have a f*cking clue how to make money. It's only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there's no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask.



I'm not sure about the freckles and the freshly-scrubbed faces, but I do know that it's ironic that he defends an industry that robbed artists and fans alike for decades! Musicians from the earliest days of recorded music through the 1970's were routinely tricked out of the rights to their music and ended up living lives of poverty while record labels bathed themselves in profits. Also, who is the mystery million people who are supposedly unemployed now? Store clerks at Tower Records don't count.


The notion of free music, where artists then make money exclusively through touring and sales of merchandise also rubs him the wrong way.


Well therein lies the most stupid mistake anybody can make. The most important part is the music. Without that, why would you care? Even the idea that you're considering giving the music away for free makes it easier to give it away for free. The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce. As soon as you give people the choice to deviate from it, you have chaos and anarchy. And that's what going on.

But, considering that that's how most artists make their money anyways is it really such a wild idea? With CD sales in decline, and artists making only $2 bucks per CD, concerts and merchandising are the real bread and butter of their livelihood. If giving their music away for free meant higher turnout and sales for both the wouldn't be a good thing? Free music could be its best method of advertising. It would show people why you should go seem them play or buy a t-shirt that tells everybody just how good you think they are.


For years fans were also made to pay $20 bucks for a CD that music artists got only $2 bucks for anyways. So who's the real loser here? Is it artists or record labels? I think its the former, but Simmons seems to think its the latter. The internet has taken distribution power from record labels and finally put in the hands of the artists themselves. They can make music and sell it to anybody in the world for whatever price they choose AND all of the money goes to them. How is that not a good thing?


He criticizes artist like Radiohead and Trent Reznor who are trying to find a new business model where fans dictate price.


That doesn't count. You can't pick on one person as an exception. And that's not a business model that works. I open a store and say "Come on in and pay whatever you want." Are you on f*cking crack? Do you really believe that's a business model that works?

I guess nobody told him how well "In Rainbows" did or that record labels were charging almost $30 bucks for a NIN CD in Australia. Fans are more than willing to support an artist directly and I think Radiohead proved that beyond a doubt.


Simmons also says that he feels sorry for artists trying to make a buck these days and to make it big. "But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record," he says. "Forget it." I guess nobody's told him that the internet gives everybody and anybody their own stage to succeed on. Just ask the Arctic Monkeys for heavens sake.





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  • #1    Can you sue him off the earth for:

    1# Making terrible 'metal'

    2# Being that stupid

    3# Never washing, he always has got the same make-up :p
    posted by Neglacio 378 days 3 minutes ago
  • #2    HA! i had no idea he was such a dumbass asshole. does he even pay attention to facts and figures or is he that dead-set in his opinion that he never checked if it was a good one? Sure, his comments are like being the biggest troll here on these forums, so we are going to react negatively to him, but still....
    posted by Signa 377 days 20 hours 28 minutes ago
  • #3    Along with The Doobie Brothers "Black Water ", Most KISS Records were some of the Most Boring Rock Tunes of Alltime !!!!, Now Detroit Rock City was an exception, It was a Great Rocker. In fact the Whole Album was Good. Gene, if You're reading this, I Bought it on Vinyl, Tape and CD !!!!!! So don't have a Cow , Take Three 'Ludes and a Big swig of Whiskey and You will be Normal Again !
    posted by mach -1 377 days 20 hours 11 minutes ago
  • #4    @mach

    Yah, other than that "I want to rock all night" , whatever that song's name is, they have squat for good tunes.
    posted by soulxtc 377 days 19 hours 18 minutes ago
  • #5    The funny thing in all this is that KISS merchandise probably brings in the majority of his wealth. Even just touring he can make an easy $100 million but apparently thats not enough for the rich bastard. Thankfully he is straddling that age of grumpy old fart who is upset with the world and grumpy old fart who is delusional. This is a far cry from a rocker who made it big trying to break the norms of society. Gone from the cool anarchist to the man, must feel great.
    posted by mountain_rage 377 days 16 hours 40 minutes ago
  • #6    Well look at him now - most of the money he can make is from CD or merchandise sales, so he will do or say whatever will benefit him the most.
    posted by freeloader105 377 days 16 hours 1 minute ago
  • #7    He needs his tongue cut off so he will shut the fuck up!
    posted by Blood_Bath 377 days 15 hours 48 minutes ago
  • #8    Gene is one of the most greediest people on the face of this planet!
    posted by axlman 377 days 15 hours 34 minutes ago
  • #9    This guy is a total asshole, he doesn't even know what he is talking about. Makes me wanna seed his albums out of spite :P
    posted by Myrodushin 377 days 15 hours 19 minutes ago
  • #10    People outdated as Gene Simmons should die. Just fucking die, already. Why does HE give a shit what Radiohead does with their album? Moron.

    Thank God I'm more like Slayer and Type O Negative fan, so that I wouldn't be embarrassed by an artist being this much retarded.
    posted by John Milton 377 days 14 hours 1 minute ago
  • #11    Who in the flying hell does this dead brain fried washed up rocker think he is? Who gives a flying damn what they do with THEIR OWN MUSIC? Sued off the face of the planet? I bet his merchandise and concerts would be fucking empty because he wants to rape all of his fans out of steep cd prices when he barely sees any of it anyways. Who gives a flying shit what this old bastard thinks anyway? KISS hasn't done shit since forever ago it seems like... Personally, I think people like this are a prime example of why the new business Radio Head and Trent Reznor are trying to get going is a big deal. Why? Because only the smart would survive. No more riding on the coat tales of a company fucking you and your fans just so you can get a little extra money. Personally, I am not sure what the difference is between selling a cd for 2 dollars a cd.. and selling 12-15 320kbps mp3 files for the same thing is. They would get the SAME AMOUNT of money per cd sold and MORE people would buy it instead of download it illegally. If they had an individual song amount that would be EVEN BETTER. Because, I don't necessarily want a whole album and just want a couple songs. Nothing wrong with that, release quality material next time. Although it might not be my taste, I am sure QUITE a few people would get the whole cd anyway because there are usually nice gems of songs in the other ones that haven't been made completely public through radio, music videos, etc. Guys like Gene Simmons are just ridiculous. Besides, that poor bastard is making family tv shows for money... because shit like this. So, next time he opens his mouth about people making more money than him.. he should be shot.
    posted by iamyour41 377 days 13 hours 40 minutes ago
  • #12    .... oh dear ....!

    ... (the Hard-Ons did a good cover of Rock N Roll All Night by the way) ...
    posted by y4n 377 days 12 hours 49 minutes ago
  • #13    And to think...He's such a pussy, that on one of the episodes of his show, he got all pissy because ended up getting a Vibrator super glued to his hand. Oh wait, I'm sorry Gene...it's a "Back Massager"
    posted by axlman 377 days 10 hours 59 minutes ago
  • #14    Oh well.. Another ex. artist I will no longer support in any way. Goodbye Gene as you slip into the void of nothingness. You might just have to get a real job now.
    posted by Spurge 377 days 9 hours 54 minutes ago
  • #15    Who is this guy? I can't remember any song by him, and what happened to his face? =S

    Why we even gave them voice? Just to see how ignorant, arrogant and greedy they are? Who didn't know that already?
    posted by altiopar 377 days 6 hours 1 minute ago
  • #16    I find it really ironic that a guy who paints his face like that is upset with "chaos and anarchy." Kiss's music was based upon chaos and anarchy! Gene's music is good, no doubt. That's not the issue here.

    I have this to say to him (and this comes from a fifty-seven year old, mind you) : Gene, you're OLD! Not physically--though some may think so--but mentally. It's over Gene. Change or get out.
    posted by Burd 377 days 12 minutes ago
  • #17    Simmons has always been a marketing-man second a musical artist third...and a douche-bag first and foremost. Howard Stern (who is a fan of KISS) even busts Simmons' balls for being such a greedy corn-holer that bilks his fans for every penny he can squeeze out of them.
    posted by BoshTalk 376 days 18 hours 55 minutes ago
  • #18    gene simmons and kiss are classic. but, he is a zionist lewd. he needs to relax and let people like him for his creativity and not his criticisms. big problem with these types...never satisfied until they get what they want, which is usually more $immon$. suprising, since he is getting up in age. i would hate to leave life as a greedy, yet brilliant iconoclast...radiohead, they are deep musical creationist, and, at least they are still around being CREATIVE. i don't really care what they are doing, but i do care how they are doing it. good on them...
    posted by frankiebishop 376 days 12 hours 13 minutes ago
  • #19    Fuck him and his sissy bullshit music, he's the worst bass player in the history of rock. Fucking moronic old junkie should, take another sniff or two to let his brain shrink some more. Radiohead are thinking ahead, the statistics were wrong about their sales. The big labels brought this bullshit story out in the public, when in fact they sold a lot of records via their donating system. I hope that many will follow the example of Radiohead, fuck you Gene Simmons!
    posted by Shenmuex 375 days 18 hours 8 minutes ago
  • #20    Hi I'm anti-semitic so my comment has been moderated. :(
    posted by schizobion 375 days 17 hours 54 minutes ago
  • #21    I have to admit I love KISS, but i'm gonna have to hand Gene a strapon so he can give it to his record company, they'll know what to do with it, since he's been having it done to him all these years
    posted by Elegant_Decay 375 days 16 hours 56 minutes ago
  • #22    Can someone ban and remove the racist bigotry of schizobion, lowers the quality of the site.
    posted by mountain_rage 375 days 16 hours 16 minutes ago
  • #23    That's not racist bigotry. He's talking about Gene Simmons fulfilling a negative stereotype that, sadly, is based on a small amount of truth. Just because Gene Simmons is Jewish or of Jewish descent, doesn't make him a bad person. But it is certainly not a good thing that he has shown himself to be as greedy as the negative stereotypes would make him out to be. I've seen his show a couple of times. He has become more of a business man than a rocker. He owns the rights to the KISS music, and he is afraid that he is going to be lifted from his position of top dog, not having to do a thing in order to continue profiting off of KISS rather than doing as many artists who have been around since the 70's and even 60's are doing now, and make music like a musical artist does.

    So now I will do with KISS as I have done with my childhood favorite band, Metallica. Not that I was ever a huge KISS fan, but there are a handful of their songs that I like very much. I am now going to shun them, and not even give them the publicity of sharing their music. Gene Simmons and Lars Ulrich just don't understand how distributing music for free over the WORLD WIDE WEB (Yes, that means world wide publicity all at once) can help them as a band more than hurt them. As a child I owned enough Metallica T-Shirts to wear a different one every day of the week (BTW, now I own enough Zeropaid T-Shirts to wear a different one every day of the week). I totally would've even bought a genuine Metallica cock-ring if I was older and it didn't mean putting a hole in the most sacred areas of my body (WTF, BTW). I love going to concerts, and will pay the $40 to $150 that it usually costs for a popular band to play near driving distance of me, in Anchorage. My problem is that there aren't many bands who come to the frozen north, and when they do, they rarely return.

    So to Radiohead and Trent Reznor, I salute you. To Gene Simmons and Metallica, go suck a fuck. I'll do as you want and not share or even download your music, but I'll not spend a cent on musical media or merchandise either. You are dead to me, and there are plenty of more talented bands than you worthy of my financial support.
    posted by Zedraloth 375 days 11 hours 7 minutes ago
  • #24    Actually it is racist because he is attributing a negative quality to a race/religious group, that is racism in its purest form. Just read the definition The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others, if his comment is not racist tell me what is?
    posted by mountain_rage 375 days 2 hours 37 minutes ago
  • #25    @MR

    Moderated
    posted by soulxtc 374 days 21 hours 46 minutes ago
  • #26    This shouldn't suprise anyone, to say one thing before they make and say a different thing once they make it. I though Kiss was in it for the music and not the money. Oh well that one fantasy now is Santa going to come by this year.

    The only good side of Kiss is their music, I do enjoy their music and the CD is Destroyer that Detroit rock city is from.

    I think you, Gene Simmons, shouldn't listen to these dumb record company and do what is really right, do a cd for the music and not for money. The money would come from having fans paying for stuff that can't be converted to digital like live gigs, shurts, etc.

    Gene Simmons, if everyone didn't use p2p or copied it then less fans would heard the music and less fans would go to their gigs or buy their items. Most of the music I have are good but I wouldn't pay to listen to it. If I had to pay for it then I wouldn't listen to it. The most important part this is the music not the money.
    posted by muffenme 374 days 1 hour ago
  • #27    The only fans that would be hurt by Kiss and other singer/group not making another cd doesn't hurt the free market but the pay market. There are some poeple out there willing to pay up to $20 for about $1 worth of matural.
    posted by muffenme 364 days 13 hours 21 minutes ago
  • #28    How funny. Kiss was the original production band put together by marketing execs for a tv show! If it weren't for that, not a single member of Kiss would have even been in the music biz at all. They would have sold insurance or worked at circle K instead.

    That's why he still wears 30 year old makeup. No wonder he's scared. Without a label, Simmons may have to find do something. I bet he was even paid to sign the letter.

    Both NIN and Radiohead would be making music no matter what.
    posted by du2vye 362 days 10 hours 17 minutes ago

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