Comments on: OiNK Admin: ‘The Logs We Store Aren’t Enough to Incriminate Users’ http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9074/oink_admin_the_logs_we_store_arent_enough_to_incriminate_users/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:36:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Burd http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9074/oink_admin_the_logs_we_store_arent_enough_to_incriminate_users/#comment-181962 Burd Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-181962 If this holds up it's a VERY DANGEROUS precedent. I've said it before if we want the benefits of the Internet we need to put up with some of what some people might consider the bad. Leading people to information should not be a crime. What people do with that information is totally their responsibility. It's true that law enforcement is sorely lacking in their understanding of the technology. So are judges and juries. Some lawyers though are pretty slick. The point is that to be effective the Internet needs to be totally free. I know that sounds like anarchy and it is. But it's virtual anarchy not real anarchy. That is the distinction. What we are talking about here are images sounds and words. We are not talking about physical things. To regulate the free flow of these non-material things is a violation of free speech. Sorry but that's the way I feel about it. Everybody thinks that they have a good reason for stopping some kind of flow on the Internet whether it be the despicable kiddie porn or a copy righted song or a "dangerous" idea. That's the way free speech works: if you want what you consider the good you have to accept the existence of what others might consider good too even if you see it as horribly bad. It's all or nothing. The Internet's main appeal has been that it is free. If this latest case is held up in court the free flow of information is in serious trouble and so are we if we wish to remain a free people. If this holds up it’s a VERY DANGEROUS precedent. I’ve said it before if we want the benefits of the Internet we need to put up with some of what some people might consider the bad. Leading people to information should not be a crime. What people do with that information is totally their responsibility. It’s true that law enforcement is sorely lacking in their understanding of the technology. So are judges and juries. Some lawyers though are pretty slick.

The point is that to be effective the Internet needs to be totally free. I know that sounds like anarchy and it is. But it’s virtual anarchy not real anarchy. That is the distinction. What we are talking about here are images sounds and words. We are not talking about physical things. To regulate the free flow of these non-material things is a violation of free speech. Sorry but that’s the way I feel about it.

Everybody thinks that they have a good reason for stopping some kind of flow on the Internet whether it be the despicable kiddie porn or a copy righted song or a “dangerous” idea. That’s the way free speech works: if you want what you consider the good you have to accept the existence of what others might consider good too even if you see it as horribly bad. It’s all or nothing. The Internet’s main appeal has been that it is free. If this latest case is held up in court the free flow of information is in serious trouble and so are we if we wish to remain a free people.

]]> By: freeloader105 http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9074/oink_admin_the_logs_we_store_arent_enough_to_incriminate_users/#comment-181963 freeloader105 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-181963 Wait why would this possibly set a very bad precedent? How is this different from the Elite Torrents bust for example? Wait why would this possibly set a very bad precedent? How is this different from the Elite Torrents bust for example?

]]> By: Mord_Sith http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9074/oink_admin_the_logs_we_store_arent_enough_to_incriminate_users/#comment-181964 Mord_Sith Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-181964 Agreement was forming in my head for you Burd but then you had to go and ruin it by mentioning kiddie and I hate to burst bubble number 2 but free speech is an illusion that the powers that be pretend we have but then take away by using words like racism sexism derogatory verbal assault and my personal favorite wrong. Effectively the world has what I like to call 'free speech for everyone but you' I would consider it derogatory for someone to call me a racist or a sexist however it's whoever plays the crying deer first in this game who ever cries first to the cops whoever cries first to the lawyers it's enough to make you sick. The internet since the majority of it's inception is the closest thing the world has ever gotten to free speech free transmission of ideas and many of the powers that be are afraid of that one of my favorite quotes can fit quite nicely here: 'Beware those that would withhold information from you as they believe themselves your master.' Currently the powers that be are trying to cull the internet after all this free reign that we have had for this long it's got them scared scared that they'll loose their grip on those that they play master over that goes for just about any big time corporation and government body. So they invent ways to cull us claiming that the IPs trace right back to you claiming they can see what you do where you go how you act big brother is watching he has many names but he is watching trying to discern your next move and if he doesn't like it he's going to try to thumb you out of existence. The way things are going we're going to wind up with two internets the undernet and the uppernet or something to that effect actually we have them already anonymous client systems like i2p and the like are technically an undernet so all it needs is a few more good pushes to scare everyone into these undernets that all they do is facilitate anonymity hell if someone could set up an undernet system that can actually transmit to you at dsl or greater speeds that would be great. however that's something else to consider for the future for now we just watch as they act like rodeo clowns trying to chase down fetters and fragments on the net... Agreement was forming in my head for you Burd but then you had to go and ruin it by mentioning kiddie and I hate to burst bubble number 2 but free speech is an illusion that the powers that be pretend we have but then take away by using words like racism sexism derogatory verbal assault and my personal favorite wrong.

Effectively the world has what I like to call ‘free speech for everyone but you’ I would consider it derogatory for someone to call me a racist or a sexist however it’s whoever plays the crying deer first in this game who ever cries first to the cops whoever cries first to the lawyers it’s enough to make you sick.

The internet since the majority of it’s inception is the closest thing the world has ever gotten to free speech free transmission of ideas and many of the powers that be are afraid of that one of my favorite quotes can fit quite nicely here: ‘Beware those that would withhold information from you as they believe themselves your master.’

Currently the powers that be are trying to cull the internet after all this free reign that we have had for this long it’s got them scared scared that they’ll loose their grip on those that they play master over that goes for just about any big time corporation and government body.

So they invent ways to cull us claiming that the IPs trace right back to you claiming they can see what you do where you go how you act big brother is watching he has many names but he is watching trying to discern your next move and if he doesn’t like it he’s going to try to thumb you out of existence.

The way things are going we’re going to wind up with two internets the undernet and the uppernet or something to that effect actually we have them already anonymous client systems like i2p and the like are technically an undernet so all it needs is a few more good pushes to scare everyone into these undernets that all they do is facilitate anonymity hell if someone could set up an undernet system that can actually transmit to you at dsl or greater speeds that would be great.

however that’s something else to consider for the future for now we just watch as they act like rodeo clowns trying to chase down fetters and fragments on the net…

]]> By: Mels_Smileys45 http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9074/oink_admin_the_logs_we_store_arent_enough_to_incriminate_users/#comment-181965 Mels_Smileys45 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-181965 I imagine they are looking to find the users who posted pre releases. The rest are cannon fodder. If you posted pre's you should be thinking about hiding with OBL in a cave somewhere. The rest should be safe to some degree but this is one to watch as I expect it to get ugly despite what oink says. Like he is really gonna say "oh yeah youre all fucked!" I imagine they are looking to find the users who posted pre releases. The rest are cannon fodder. If you posted pre’s you should be thinking about hiding with OBL in a cave somewhere. The rest should be safe to some degree but this is one to watch as I expect it to get ugly despite what oink says. Like he is really gonna say “oh yeah youre all fucked!”

]]> By: Spurge http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9074/oink_admin_the_logs_we_store_arent_enough_to_incriminate_users/#comment-181966 Spurge Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-181966 It's amazing reading this how uneducated the people are who enforce these laws when it comes to technology. I think this is the real hurdle here trying to get these old idiots in power to understand this stuff. Reading up more on this I can't believe how stupid they really are. I figured at first it's all in jest. It’s amazing reading this how uneducated the people are who enforce these laws when it comes to technology.
I think this is the real hurdle here trying to get these old idiots in power to understand this stuff.

Reading up more on this I can’t believe how stupid they really are. I figured at first it’s all in jest.

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