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RIAA Wins Infringement Case Against Limewire, World Yawns

RIAA Wins Infringement Case Against Limewire, World Yawns

Music industry says that now this “major hurdle” has been cleared it can finally reform its outdated business model and fully “transition” to the “online music business.”

The RIAA scored a “big win” the other day in federal court with District Judge Kimba Wood ruling against Limewire and its creator, Mark Gorton, in the music industry’s quest to hold the file-sharing service and its creator liable for the copyright infringement of its users.

The court found that both had committed copyright infringement, engaged in unfair competition, and induced others to commit copyright infringement, thus paving the way for potentially huge financial penalties.

“This definitive ruling is an extraordinary victory for the entire creative community,” said RIAA Chairman & CEO Mitch Bainwol. “The court made clear that LimeWire was liable for inducing widespread copyright theft.”

The suit began back in 2006 on the heels of the landmark MGM v Grokster, and is a testament to how slowly the justice system works while the Internet evolves in leaps in bounds. Limewire has since been eclipsed dramatically by faster, and arguably much safer, alternatives like BitTorrent so the ruling is really a hallow victory for the RIAA. What the ruling does mean however, is that you shouldn’t try to profit from illegal P2P.

“LimeWire is one of the largest remaining commercial P2P services. Unlike other P2P services that negotiated licenses, imposed filters or otherwise chose to discontinue their illegal conduct following the Supreme Court’s decision in the Grokster case, LimeWire instead thumbed its nose at the law and creators,” added Bainwol. “The court’s decision is an important milestone in the creative community’s fight to reclaim the Internet as a platform for legitimate commerce. By finding LimeWire’s CEO personally liable, in addition to his company, the court has sent a clear signal to those who think they can devise and profit from a piracy scheme that will escape accountability.”

Exactly, and I don’t think a single person, pirate or non-pirate would disagree with that statement. Profiting from the hard work of others is and always will be wrong.

Strangely enough, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) says that Limewire has been a huge stumbling block in the music industry’s efforts to adapt its business model to the digital age.

“Limewire has been a major hurdle in the music industry’s efforts to make the transition to a new, legitimate online music business,” says IFPI chairman and CEO John Kennedy. “This ruling will be hugely valuable both as an educational message and as a legal precedent internationally.”

He thinks the effect will be especially dramatic on users, many of whom, in his opinion, are somehow unaware that they’re downloading content illegally.

“The judgment also ends years of uncertainty among consumers, many of whom have felt free to use Limewire in the incorrect belief that it was a legitimate music site,” he says. “Now it has been made clear to them that Limewire is not legal, does not respect artists and creators, has profited handsomely from its illegality and is not OK to use.”

I’d like to meet the people who thought downloading music with LimeWire was “OK.” Chances are they’re not the brightest of stars in the sky, and are most likely a minority rather than a “many” as Kennedy suggests.

In the end, file-sharing continues while Rome burns. The RIAA spent almost 4 years and millions of dollars for a conclusion that will do little improve its business model or reduce the level of online piracy.

Too bad music artists can’t sue record labels for dereliction of duty. Now that’s a case I’d like to see.

Stay tuned.

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Jared Moya
I've been interested in P2P since the early, high-flying days of Napster and KaZaA. I believe that analog copyright laws are ill-suited to the digital age, and that art and culture shouldn't be subject to the whims of international entertainment industry conglomerates. Twitter | Google Plus
Mar
Mar

The internet is free and will remain free for everyone despite what M(B)itch Bainwol thinks about it. They are making millions of profit already and are running like dogs after anyone who would get them a little bit more... Bloody fat cats.

conspiracy
conspiracy

Its all about illuminati. all they need is money for their evil plan to bring devil on earth through cross dimensional by writing songs for singers when singers sang songs they got money by selling songs making it 50-50 now you got understand why they want to shutdown limewire because of it. No more sharing no more tension about leakage of their data And now much more money. LIMEWIRE IS THE BEST EVER AND IT SHOULD BE BACK. FOR THOSE WHO BOUGHT LIMEWIRE AND LOVE LIMEWIRE SHOULD COME TO STREETS WITH SLOGANS TO OPEN LIMEWIRE BACK AND NOT TO RETURN UNTIL IT IS BACK

downloader4life
downloader4life

Id really like to line all these Riaa scumbags up and stomp on thier old goat heads until they explode.. watch all the shit drain from thier bodies.. The Riaa have been using copyright and piracy as an excuse for far too long, bottom line is they are going broke and they cannot handle the thought.. its only a matter of time maybe only a year or 2 and the RIAA will cease to exsist, millions upon millions download every day, we dont care about copyright or privacy because we all know its all bull shit. Boycott the Riaa and keep downloading.. why pay for something you can get online for free? consumers win , not the Riaa.. .. when they eventually dont exsist ill be laughing all the way to the bank :) Keep supporting your Drug Habits RIAA.. and we will keep downloading free movies and CD'S..

bamfan5520
bamfan5520

I believe that the whole RIAA lawsuit crap is ridiculous...First of all, Limewire was not selling copyright owners music like iTunes does, Second, Limewire has not profited over people downloading on their network, Third, They are selling high proformance versions of their software for people with slow internet connections, Fifth, Limewire was not involved with illegal downloads since the files are not hosted on limewire servers but on other commercial and residental private computers set to share the file with others, and sixth, for people who want to rant about stupid crap like this, they need to grow up...The RIAA is trying stunts that in the long-run will never work since P2P has been around even before limewire existed...You ever borrow a CD from a friend and Made a copy of it for yourself and not pay for it, ITS THE SAME THING!!! Limewires use is to share anything with people who want it...It is legal since you cannot deem sharing something illiegal, and it is pointless to even be fighting...The only reason why these music industries are losing so much money is because THEY CHARGE WAY TOO F****** MUCH FOR A CD OF THEIR MUSIC!!! People only like certain songs off of cd's..Why pay close to 20 or 30 dollars now for music that half the time SUCKS WONKIES!!! get it straight people, P2P will be around long after the RIAA gets their heads out of their A$$ and figures out that without P2P, the music industry will DIE within 2 Months...GAURENTEED!!! You Watch, if they keep pushing this issue, All major Music Labels such as Sony, Interscope and blah blah blah, will be forced to file for bankruptcy and shut down permenatly....Guess what happens after that, Music as we know it today, WILL BE NO MORE!!!!! Think about this message for a minute and then think to yourself, would I rather see my favorite artist make another CD or would I rather see him OUT OF A JOB CAUSE HIS LABEL SHUTDOWN!!! It is the music industries own fault why they are losing money, NOT LIMEWIRES!!! Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot...

Duck Under
Duck Under

Jared Moya, Sorry dude but I would have to say that he put you to shame on your own ignorant article. You do need a little more yourself. Your article made no point, was the least bit interesting and I must conclude...It F**king Sucked D**K.

Gelly Bean
Gelly Bean

I got Ubuntu via torrent. Trent said i could get his last album via torrent. as mentioned before alex jones films and loose change are ok to download. if i steal a DVD from wal mart is it their fault? do you really want government control of the internet?

1984 sucks + mafiaa
1984 sucks + mafiaa

Case could set precedent, shielding peer-to-peer nets from suits over usage. on above case already decided Dec 19, 2003 5:00 pm The supreme court ruling can not be overturned so therefore the riaa victory is null and void "The suit began back in 2006 on the heels of the landmark MGM v Grokster, and is a testament to how slowly the justice system works while the Internet evolves in leaps in bounds." Illegal suit because the outcome was decided upon in 2003. The riaa didn't win because the suit was null and void as it was already established that p2p was legal by supreme court and could not be held responsible for the actions of its users. fwd to limewire

1984 sucks
1984 sucks

http:// is.gd/c8qNE (put link together for full url. Dutch Supreme Court Rules Kazaa Legal Dutch music rights body Buma/Stemra took its case against Kazaa BV to the high court last year, seeking to overturn a March 2002 ruling by the Amsterdam Appeals Court. That court found Kazaa not responsible for unauthorized downloading of copyright-protected music conducted using the software it developed and markets. The Supreme Court of the Netherlands is the highest European body yet to rule on file-sharing software. In its decision Friday, the court cites international rulings including the 1984 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the so-called Betamax case. In Sony v Universal, the U.S. Supreme Court said device makers--in this case, VCR maker Sony--can't be held liable when people infringe copyright using Sony's equipment. The Dutch decision also cites a Los Angeles federal judge's dismissal of a lawsuit against file-sharing services Grokster and StreamCast Networks last April. U.S. District Court Judge Stephen Wilson decided the two companies could not be held culpable for illegal file trading done over their networks. Mixed Response Kazaa lawyer Christiaan Alberdingk Thijm expects the Dutch decision will have an impact internationally, beyond the European Union where copyright laws have been aligned. "This is a great ruling," Alberdingk Thijm says. "What is important is that this ruling does not only set a precedent in the Netherlands, but also worldwide." See they didn't win as the above (visit full link for article) already said that they were all legal. Please forward this to limewire and all other p2p programs shut down by mafiaa (as they were legal) and can sue the feck out of them)

Drew Wilson
Drew Wilson

Meanwhile, thousands are happily using Frostwire, an open source version of Limewire. Have fun trying to stop that RIAA!

Joe Erie
Joe Erie

Hmmm... "Kimba Wood" again... I sense a pattern here. Anyone else??

Laurel L. Russwurm
Laurel L. Russwurm

I am thoroughly tired of RIAA et al blaming "creators" when in fact all of these legal machinations should be laid at the feet of "rights holders" and only very rarely creators

Jared Moya
Jared Moya

Well, to be frank, he was profiting from illegal downloading.

seriously?
seriously?

profiting from illegal downloading, huh? wow you use that phrase loosely. the guy made a software application that connected people to each other, allowing them to trade any file type. the system was not designed for illegal use, nor legal use, it was designed with simple file exchange in mind, that's it. how you can turn that into "profiting from illegal downloading", I really don't understand at all. so jared, let's say you own a private bridge that connects two cities, and this is one of the best routes to get between the two cities, and you charge a toll for vehicles to pass. now it just so happens that drug dealers are transporting illegal narcotics, between the two cities, using your bridge almost exclusively. now even though you suspect/know that drugs are passing through, you have no real way of preventing this from happening.. short of stopping every single vehicle and searching it, which you don't even have the means to do, even if you wanted to. therefore, would you say that you are profiting (toll fees) from illegal drug distribution?

Jared Moya
Jared Moya

“The court found that both had committed copyright infringement, engaged in unfair competition, and induced others to commit copyright infringement, thus paving the way for potentially huge financial penalties.” ...yes because they were SELLING ACCESS TO CONTENT THAT WASNT THEIRS. "engaged in unfair competition" -- they were selling a product that offered content in UNFAIR COMPETITION with copyright holders. BitTorrent tracker sites arent selling anything, aren't making a profit (at least the reputable ones, most are donations-based to cover server costs, hosting fees). "You don’t know what my point is? “Blah blah blah”, I’m hopeless? " yes, only because you seem to lack knowledge of the basic tenets of P2P and their fundamental application behavior. I apologize if it came of cranky, but we get a lot of people who blanket arguments against P2P that dont even know how it operates. "“Im not even sure what your point is. That we should filter the Internet so you make a profit. Dam you 4th amendment!” - everybody Im sure know, but you. It's a circuitous way of noting that illegal file-sharing CANNOT BE STOPPED short of examining and filtering ever data packet transmitted on the Internet. Snippy for sure, but succinct. Blah blah blah was used because like I said you dont know what you're talking about. I got lost in the rhetoric.

wow..
wow..

You make a good point with saying that Limewire was wrong for selling the software, opposed to most of the others that give it for free, but really, this is from the article you wrote: "The court found that both had committed copyright infringement, engaged in unfair competition, and induced others to commit copyright infringement, thus paving the way for potentially huge financial penalties." That does not look, to me, as if they lost because they are selling copies of their software, it looks more like every argument they ever used against any P2P service. You don't know what my point is? "Blah blah blah", I'm hopeless? "Im not even sure what your point is. That we should filter the Internet so you make a profit. Dam you 4th amendment!" I don't know at all what you are talking about here, and I would suspect anyone reading over this exchange would say the same thing. You say I can't engage in intelligent debate, yet you are the only one dropping themselves to elementary school levels and throwing shit around like "blah blah", highly juvenile.

Jared Moya
Jared Moya

Exactly. Why? The guy was SELLING COPIES OF THE PROGRAM, that's why he was found culpable. Show me guy selling copies of BitTorrent or any other P2P software program and you'll show you a grade A spam-slinging asshole. "It’s what they said about napster, it’s what they said about aimster/madster, it’s what they said about morpheus, it’s what they said about kazaa, it’s what they said about grokster, it’s what they say about thepiratebay, it’s what they said about isohunt, it’s what they said about torrentspy, it’s what they said about mininova and hundreds of other websites and services." Blah blah blah. OMG. No offense, but you're hopeless. Do a little research before you make such crazy generalizations. I dont even know where to begin. The Pirate Bay isn't selling you anything, and neither is isoHunt. Im not even going to bother to comment on the rest. To say it's "dumb and ridiculous " would be an understatement. As usual you're somebody with little knowledge of what you're talking about trying to make an intelligent point. You just ruin the conversation because most of your arguments aren't worth debating. Im not even sure what your point is. That we should filter the Internet so you make a profit. Dam you 4th amendment!

seriously?
seriously?

the exact argument you make about limewire is identical to that made by the RIAA/MPAA about all file-sharing networks, including bit-torrent. It's what they said about napster, it's what they said about aimster/madster, it's what they said about morpheus, it's what they said about kazaa, it's what they said about grokster, it's what they say about thepiratebay, it's what they said about isohunt, it's what they said about torrentspy, it's what they said about mininova and hundreds of other websites and services. and I'd be willing to bet you that you are wrong on distribution of home-made materials over limewire or any other form of p2p. if you think i'm wrong go type "amateur" into a search query on any of these services, you'll get a lot of home-made videos. but forget home-made. what about content creators who allow (and desire) for their content to be shared on the Internet freely? examples of these that I have seen on gnutella are: loose change 9/11, david icke documentaries, alex jones documentaries, open-source software such as frostwire, trial-ware such as adobe photoshop (without serial, etc), music by independent artists such as The Men, DZK, Immortal Technique, Fokissed, etc., independent movies/films in the public domain such as "how awful about alan" or "the birth of a nation". I am sure there is a lot more on gnutella (or there was before it went to shit) that is either legally distributed or encourage to be distributed by the copyright holder, that I don't know about (and quite obviously you do not know about). Either way, it's bullshit to say that any p2p software is profiting from illegal downloading. If you want to make that statement, you need to also say it about computer hardware manufacturers who sell high-end gaming PCs (as there are a ton of pirated games being downloaded), you need to say the same about cd and dvd burner manufacturers, you need to say the same about CD and DVD manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers and retailers. while we're at it, let's say ISPs too, because I didn't buy my 15mbps connection over the 10mbps and the 5mbps, because I wanted pages to load really really fast. so count them as profiting from illegal downloading. how about google? on google you can do a search query for just about anything on rapidshare, and they are making advertising revenue off of your use of google, so let's say they are profiting from illegal downloading too. that is how dumb and ridiculous your accusation is. you can't say that limewire is profiting from illegal downloading without saying all these other people/organizations are doing the same. now if limewire was selling cracked copies of adobe photoshop, or was selling music, or was selling movies, directly profiting from illegal downloads, then you'd have an argument. but all limewire is, is a bridge allowing content to flow, and you can either pay tolls (pro edition), or look at billboards (free edition) to cross.

Jared Moya
Jared Moya

That is the dumbest example Ive ever heard of. Nobody uses Limewire for legitimate purposes. There are far, far better and easier ways to share data. Nobody's using it to share homemade content on it.







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