CEO Ivan Seidenberg says it has to be able to deal with the 5% or 10% of customers that are “abusers…chewing up all the bandwidth,” and that “net neutrality” interferes with its ability to do so.
Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg gave an interesting interview at the council for Foreign Relations a few days ago that proves the urgent need for Congress to enact “net neutrality” legislation, especially being that on the same day ISP Comcast won its appeal of an earlier FCC ruling that sanctioned it for throttling BitTorrent connections as part of its overall network management program.
“Anytime government — whether it’s the FCC or any agency — decides it knows what the market wants and makes that a static requirement, you always lose,” he says. “So this FCC decided that speed of the network was the most important issue. So that’s all they measured.”
Oh really? The FCC doesn’t care about speed per se, but rather about maintaining an “open and accessible Internet” for all, thereby fulfilling President Obama’s campaign promise to also “protect the openness of the Internet.” As a candidate, then Senator Obama also said that throttling of BitTorrent and other P2P applications would be illegal.
All the FCC ever wanted is for Comcast to quit singling out BitTorrent in order to manage network traffic, not to maintain some arbitrary network speed.
Seidenberg also insists that the US has the best broadband system in the world, in part, because of its “greater household penetration,” and that its important the markets be allowed to decide what’s most important to customers.
“In Japan, where everybody looks at Japan as being so far ahead, they may have faster speeds, but we have higher utilization of people using the Internet,” he says. “So our view is, whenever you look at these issues, you have to be very careful to look at what the market wants, not what government says is the most important issue.”
But, the problem with that is that customers aren’t always allowed to decide what they want, and as they say, “vote with their feet.” Oftentimes, ISPs have carved out territories that make it the only game in town, preventing the sort of choice that Seidenberg says should prevail over govt intervention.
Without govt intervention ISPs will be allowed to dictate selection, pricing, and accessibility.
With Comcast’s purchase of NBC Universal last December we are seeing broadband providers merge with content providers, and the transition to digital media distribution. What happens when ISPs decide to throttle competing applications and services or block them altogether.
The real target of Verizon’s ire is the “5% or 10% of the people (who) are the abusers that are chewing up all the bandwidth.” He wants to see a policy where it gives customers a “chance to buy a bundle, a session of 10 megabits or a session of 30.”
He complains that “when we go after the very, very high users, the ones who camp on the network all day long every day doing things that — who knows what they’re doing,” that the govt, via net neutrality, negates the discretion it needs to run its business and “takes care of that 10% that’s abusing the system.”
It wants the ability to target excessive users and remedy the problem as it sees fit, saying that “those are the people we will throttle and we will find them and we will charge them something else.”
That again proves the need for net neutrality. If Verizon does decide to charge “excessive” users “something else” people most likely won’t have alternative ISPs to choose from unless they physically move.
Let’s hope Congress takes up net neutrality in the near future.
Stay tuned.
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6. These guys are not capitalists, just because they are a corporation doesn’t make them capitalists. Capitalism is free market and fair competition, and they are pushing against that to create government sanctioned monopolies, using patents and other laws to restrict and prevent competition as well as other anti capitalist approaches.
1. If you don’t want to sell an unlimited plan, don’t sell an unlimited plan… Verizon is engaging in consumer Fraud and claim to be victims.
2. There is no such thing as “10% using 90% of bandwidth”.
3. Torrent =! piracy. There are lots of legitimate uses of the protocol. For example, anyone who plays WOW uses torrent for downloading patches. Legal torrent use is the majority of torrent traffic.
4. Customers can’t vote with their feet, those companies are granted government sanctioned monopolies in high population density areas to subsidize the coverage of low population density areas. Most people have only 1 person to chose from.
5. Net neutrality does not protect pirates, it prevents them from throttling the competitors traffic.
I have 1.5m dl DSL from Verizon. I usually max out at 185KB/sec download and now using bittoerrent I am getting 20KB/sec these bandwidth throttling scumsuckers. I will casll them and demand them to stop this BS.
^ you’re paying $60/mo for DIALUP?
I’m currently fighting with Verizon over Broadband service that I pay $60/mo. for but, all I get is their lousy dial-up service. It’s not that they can’t provide it to my area because I have received about 2 mo. of full uninterrupted Broadband service. But for the past 4 months all I get is dial-up speeds. I called their customer service and I was told that my area had full service and it was something in my system that was causing the problems. But there have been no changes in my system that could cause this disconnection of service. And to take it one step better ,at their advice I purchased one of their external antennas to ensure I’d have good reception. And I do. I have 2 to 4 bars of Broadband signal. I just don’t have access to their broadband server. Just dial-up speeds @ 12-124Kbps. Now when I purchased the contract, I was informed that I was allotted 5Gb bandwidth per month. Well, as a norm I don’t use that much. But the month before I began having continuous problems with them I had used 4.5Gb of my 5Gb allotment. When I called them back they ran a trouble ticket on my area. They told me again it was something on my end because the area checked out fine. That did not please me at all so I went on an email campaign. It seemed only logical sense that’s about the limits of my current service. After the third email I got an educated answer and an apology for their missing the area failure. Now here were it is getting good. This is what they say. :
“We apologize that our previous response did not address your concern. Upon review of trouble ticket# 3913493, our Network team has determined that the location in question has a known coverage area problem. Due to this, a reliable indoor connection cannot be guaranteed and outdoor connections should be marginally stable with speeds from 310 to 614 kbps. With that being said, at, this time, we are unable to state if or when service enhancement for your area will occur as this information has not been provided. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience that this has caused.
What’s that.??? Looks like a big F_U… NO! that’s not what they said the first time. Lies!!! deception, and theft!!! Verizon appears to be taking advantage of their rural customers .. They are selling a product they can not and will not provide…
I won’t give up!!!! Verizon you owe me money!!!
What did you ended up happening because there doing the same to me.
Ivan is surely a nut hugger but you guys go way over the edge when trying to drag religion into the arena of inept ISPs.
I have to echo the statement from above concerning the absence of an ISP. When am I going to be able to go online without the permission of some asshole communication copany in the middle?
Hello Ivan,
Kindly suck a dead dog’s dick you vulturous, lying, 2-faced scumbag of monumentally epic proportions, Your false claims and threatening innuendo only serve to further embolden those people who dare look beyond the rhetoric and see your maneuvering for what it is: capitalism and profiteering, pure and simple. It is my sincere wish that you get AIDS. Oh and Cancer too……In your face.
Yeah, that about sums it up.
Best regards, 10Pound
Jesus…
Yes, he was also quite the con artist. Not sure Jesus could of bull shitted well enough were he born today to screw people over like modern ceo’s. Don’t get me wrong, the Jesus product has produced wealth beyond imagination, but I just don’t think were it created today that it would capture the same success.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Their salesmen sell me 25/25 service and now their CEO wants to throttle me? Lame. And somehow not surprising at all.
Utter bull.
Damn, someone needs to figure out how to net computers without needing ISP’s. Wasn’t the internet supposed to be indestructible? I guess the DARPA guys didn’t count on Verizon and Comcast.
You Americans need more competition. A company that truly offers unlimited service is going to grow whereas Verizon can die a certain death.
Translation: Pay us too much money for fat pipes, but just use it to check your email.
This reminds me of dialup days. When you signed up with an ISP you had to make sure it was UNLIMITED internet.
Vote with your wallets. If you have DSL available you can change ISPs. If you have cable, consider satellite, 4G or even dialup. At least dialup is unlimited…
These guys need to learn they can do what they want… and SO CAN WE.
Some rural areas don’t have options, they often only have 1 company established in the community, at least for high speed. Hell in some cases attempts by municipalities to address the lack of good market has led to lawsuits. Don’t listen to crazy right wingers, socialism can be good.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/want-50mbps-internet-in-your-town-threaten-to-roll-out-your-own.ars
Interesting article, Mountain_rage. My town is a small Verizon “island” in a sea of AT&T service. I recently talked to the foreman of a Verizon crew pulling new underground cables and asked him when Verizon FiOS would arrive here, and he said, “… probably not in our lifetimes.” We could probably use a municipal high-speed Internet initiative, but, unfortunately, the current set of dweebs on our city council have practically spent the city into a hole; we should be insolvent within two or three years at the present rate, so getting high speed Internet access for all isn’t in the cards.
“If you have DSL available you can change ISPs …”
Not true. For example, in this town the phone service is provided by Verizon, and no matter whose DSL service one subscribes to, it ends up running on Verizon fiber trunk lines. If Verizon is implementing throttling schemes, BitTorrent will slow to a crawl, regardless if your DSL provider is Verizon, EarthLink, Extreme DSL, or whatever.
The outrageous act of throttling customers because they are using what they paid for has a similar analogy to a timeshare system.
A system where 52 individuals pay to rent the apt. for one week.
But the conniving landlord (Seidenberg) recognized that MOST people don’t stay the full week, MOST use only a small fraction of what they paid for and are entitled to.
So he sells twice what his business can handle, in allocation terms.
Then when the unsuspecting buyer wants to stay the ‘full week’, wants to use what they paid for, they are told they are“abusers”.
Nobody even mentions the outrage.
How easily they have put a negative spin on people who are within their rights.
Prick.
If they didn’t want people to use their internet all the time, they should of stopped advertising unlimited bandwidth services. They had a program where you were caped and paid when you went over, then they started advertising unlimited plans. So after people start using their plan the way it was advertised they are going to complain about it? Maybe its time they stop advertising unlimited for plans that are capped for 80gigs.
we pay for our connection and we should be able to use it to the max.
if you have a problem with that then you need to spend billions and add more lines to handle the load.
if you are using that as an excuse for combatting piracy then it is cheaper for you just to pay the fines and ignore the c&d notices.
maybe even set up a email black hole that c&d notices go into to never be seen again.