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	<title>Comments on: Irish ISP to Launch &#8220;Innovative New Music Service&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: soulxtc</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202539</link>
		<dc:creator>soulxtc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What on earth are u talking about? What could possibly take that long to create and who the hell would want it afterwards?

30 years to return their investment? Again, Im not sure what you&#039;re talking about, but its certainly not music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What on earth are u talking about? What could possibly take that long to create and who the hell would want it afterwards?</p>
<p>30 years to return their investment? Again, Im not sure what you&#8217;re talking about, but its certainly not music.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202432</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Internet should either be lawless or lawful.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s like saying a country like the USA should be either lawless or lawful. It&#039;s impractical to enforce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Internet should either be lawless or lawful.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying a country like the USA should be either lawless or lawful. It&#8217;s impractical to enforce.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202431</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those works that take 10 or more years to create generally don&#039;t catch on in the file-sharing community.

The ones that take 30 years to return on investment don&#039;t do so because of piracy.

That being said, I&#039;d say make it 10 years, not five.

For the &quot;slow author novels&quot;, have the copyright extended to the death of the author, but no longer than that. I mean, really, what&#039;s the point, the author&#039;s not going to benefit from copyright if (s)he&#039;s dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those works that take 10 or more years to create generally don&#8217;t catch on in the file-sharing community.</p>
<p>The ones that take 30 years to return on investment don&#8217;t do so because of piracy.</p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;d say make it 10 years, not five.</p>
<p>For the &#8220;slow author novels&#8221;, have the copyright extended to the death of the author, but no longer than that. I mean, really, what&#8217;s the point, the author&#8217;s not going to benefit from copyright if (s)he&#8217;s dead.</p>
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		<title>By: DrewWilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrewWilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;LOL Some works TAKE 10 or more years just to create and 30 or more just to return on their investment. &quot;

Uh, last I checked, you don&#039;t make a copyright of a song you haven&#039;t made yet.  Usually, sometime after it&#039;s completed, the copyright is made on the song.

&quot;Poor Soul, he may be living in his own little world&quot;

Yeah, Earth is some bizarre place hardly anyone has heard of.  Where you live is so much... wait, where did you say you live again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;LOL Some works TAKE 10 or more years just to create and 30 or more just to return on their investment. &#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, last I checked, you don&#8217;t make a copyright of a song you haven&#8217;t made yet.  Usually, sometime after it&#8217;s completed, the copyright is made on the song.</p>
<p>&#8220;Poor Soul, he may be living in his own little world&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, Earth is some bizarre place hardly anyone has heard of.  Where you live is so much&#8230; wait, where did you say you live again?</p>
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		<title>By: D.AN</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202276</link>
		<dc:creator>D.AN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;LOL Some works TAKE 10 or more years just to create ...&quot;

The keyword here is &#039;some&#039;. The only thing that would practically take 10 years would be a novel written by a slow author; anything else is impractical as a means of creativity or entertainment.

&quot;... and 30 or more just to return on their investment.&quot;

Unless you give a single example, this is just another hyperbole of yours.

&quot;You’d dismantle all creation that can’t be recouped in a mere 60 months?!?&quot;

Well if you can&#039;t sell something in five years to earn something, then you either have made something not worth making or you are just a slow vendor.

&quot;Poor Soul, he may be living in his own little world…..but at least they talk to him there.&quot;

Ad hominem does not work here. Give some substance or don&#039;t bother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;LOL Some works TAKE 10 or more years just to create &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The keyword here is &#8216;some&#8217;. The only thing that would practically take 10 years would be a novel written by a slow author; anything else is impractical as a means of creativity or entertainment.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; and 30 or more just to return on their investment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless you give a single example, this is just another hyperbole of yours.</p>
<p>&#8220;You’d dismantle all creation that can’t be recouped in a mere 60 months?!?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well if you can&#8217;t sell something in five years to earn something, then you either have made something not worth making or you are just a slow vendor.</p>
<p>&#8220;Poor Soul, he may be living in his own little world…..but at least they talk to him there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ad hominem does not work here. Give some substance or don&#8217;t bother.</p>
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		<title>By: D.AN</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202273</link>
		<dc:creator>D.AN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The internet should either be lawless, or lawful.&quot;

National laws cannot govern the Internet due to their nonalignment with the Internet, so it cannot be either lawless or lawful in this sense.

&quot;To decide, as Soul does, his selective law enforcement according to his personal values is as unjust as it is impossible to enforce.&quot;

soulxtc is regarding the extension of violent criminal activity to the Internet; not his personal values.

&quot;The network, inevitably, will reflect the same degree of legal accountability as IRL, ...&quot;

Logically impossible.

&quot;... and global treaties like the ACTA are only the beginning.&quot;

You plainly state that as if everyone would just accept it.

&quot;Global is unprecedented.&quot;

What the hell is that suppose to mean?

&quot;These things will take time.&quot;

Obvious padding.

&quot;But I agree that an ISP should not be permitted to throttle or block legal content or legal behavior simply based upon competition.&quot;

Since this does not belong anywhere in your post, your use of the conjucation just proves that this is just a mere masking statement, although they are usually placed at the beginning of the writing for them to work at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The internet should either be lawless, or lawful.&#8221;</p>
<p>National laws cannot govern the Internet due to their nonalignment with the Internet, so it cannot be either lawless or lawful in this sense.</p>
<p>&#8220;To decide, as Soul does, his selective law enforcement according to his personal values is as unjust as it is impossible to enforce.&#8221;</p>
<p>soulxtc is regarding the extension of violent criminal activity to the Internet; not his personal values.</p>
<p>&#8220;The network, inevitably, will reflect the same degree of legal accountability as IRL, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Logically impossible.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; and global treaties like the ACTA are only the beginning.&#8221;</p>
<p>You plainly state that as if everyone would just accept it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Global is unprecedented.&#8221;</p>
<p>What the hell is that suppose to mean?</p>
<p>&#8220;These things will take time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obvious padding.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I agree that an ISP should not be permitted to throttle or block legal content or legal behavior simply based upon competition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since this does not belong anywhere in your post, your use of the conjucation just proves that this is just a mere masking statement, although they are usually placed at the beginning of the writing for them to work at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam I Am</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202266</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam I Am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Five years after publication&quot;? 60 months?

LOL Some works TAKE 10 or more years just to create and 30 or more just to return on their investment. You&#039;d dismantle all creation that can&#039;t be recouped in a mere 60 months?!?

Poor Soul, he may be living in his own little world.....but at least they talk to him there.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Five years after publication&#8221;? 60 months?</p>
<p>LOL Some works TAKE 10 or more years just to create and 30 or more just to return on their investment. You&#8217;d dismantle all creation that can&#8217;t be recouped in a mere 60 months?!?</p>
<p>Poor Soul, he may be living in his own little world&#8230;..but at least they talk to him there.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.zeropaid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202262</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant &quot;because&quot;. Man, comments should really be editable here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant &#8220;because&#8221;. Man, comments should really be editable here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202261</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@3. I think a &lt;i&gt;complete&lt;/i&gt; ban on DRM is a bit harsh. Perhaps a complete ban on DRM when used to &quot;prevent copyright infringement&quot;, but there are legitimate uses for DRM besides preventing piracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@3. I think a <i>complete</i> ban on DRM is a bit harsh. Perhaps a complete ban on DRM when used to &#8220;prevent copyright infringement&#8221;, but there are legitimate uses for DRM besides preventing piracy.</p>
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		<title>By: soulxtc</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86958/irish-isp-to-launch-innovative-new-music-service/#comment-202223</link>
		<dc:creator>soulxtc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said anything about lawlessness or selective enforcement? 

The two states only exist because we have yet to update copyright laws to better align with the realities of a digital world. 

We need to move forward with the following copyright reforms: 

1. All non-commercial copying and use should be legalized. File sharing and p2p networking should be encouraged rather than criminalized (Spanish courts have already ruled noncommercial P2P is legal). Culture and knowledge are good things, that increase in value the more they are shared. The Internet could become the greatest public library ever created.
2. The monopoly for the copyright holder to exploit an aesthetic work commercially should be limited to five years after publication.
3. Complete ban on DRM technologies.

http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english

Music has become free, and technology will always stay ahead of the law. Always has and always will. 

Poor Sam I Am, soon to have no green eggs to go with his ham :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said anything about lawlessness or selective enforcement? </p>
<p>The two states only exist because we have yet to update copyright laws to better align with the realities of a digital world. </p>
<p>We need to move forward with the following copyright reforms: </p>
<p>1. All non-commercial copying and use should be legalized. File sharing and p2p networking should be encouraged rather than criminalized (Spanish courts have already ruled noncommercial P2P is legal). Culture and knowledge are good things, that increase in value the more they are shared. The Internet could become the greatest public library ever created.<br />
2. The monopoly for the copyright holder to exploit an aesthetic work commercially should be limited to five years after publication.<br />
3. Complete ban on DRM technologies.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english" rel="nofollow">http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english</a></p>
<p>Music has become free, and technology will always stay ahead of the law. Always has and always will. </p>
<p>Poor Sam I Am, soon to have no green eggs to go with his ham <img src='http://www.zeropaid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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