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		<title>By: 2009 &#8211; A ZeroPaid Year in Review &#8211; Part 2 of 3</title>
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		<dc:creator>2009 &#8211; A ZeroPaid Year in Review &#8211; Part 2 of 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an almost symbolic move, an American music group called the idea of a fair copyright law in Canada &#8220;disgusting&#8221;. The NDP, the political group that sparked that comment responded, saying that they make no apology [...]</description>
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		<title>By: D.AN</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-202459</link>
		<dc:creator>D.AN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your post is “failing” just as much as his is.&quot;

Please...if my post is &quot;failing&quot; just as much as his is, why doesn&#039;t he persist to support his points? Besides, I was regarding to his failure to deliver his work, not his failure to post a comment.

&quot;If you can’t prove your point ...&quot;

What unproved point of mine are you referring to?

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&quot;Twenty years is a long time.&quot;; it is around ~1/4 of the average human life span.

&quot;You can’t Copyright single musical notes or words in standard vocabulary.&quot;; logically obvious.

&quot;Creativity is by principle an innate human nature, not something learned.&quot;; this is common knowledge among engineers.

&quot;Besides, your statement is an over-generalized [...]&quot;; this is an attack on his unsound generalization; self-explanatory.

&quot;Knowing you, your focus is mostly on money.&quot;; this is according to his own posts and responses for months now.

&quot;[...] the word ‘even’ in post-position to ‘maybe’, [...]&quot;; this one is quite intuitive for me, but quite cumbersome to explain; &#039;maybe&#039; is synonymous to &#039;possibly&#039;, and &#039;even&#039; in this context means &quot;to a degree that extends&quot;; but since outcomes are not random and people make expectations when deciding to do something, &quot;maybe even make money&quot; would be interpreted as &quot;by giving it a chance, to some (arbitrary, minimum) extent, earn money&quot;; now, this is not only at face value, but also implied by his writing and his past postings, which is what I implied by writing &quot;Knowing you&quot;.

&quot;This statement definitely questions your sincerity [...].&quot;; I analyzed his writing patterns more than enough to be able to detect when he writes with certainty and when he doesn&#039;t, so I haunt him with it.

&quot;Nobody in the anti-Copyright side has either claimed or denied you of any of your rights.&quot;; logically obvious.

&quot;Your suggestion that they are makes you the “parasite”.&quot;; I quoted &quot;parasite&quot; to indicate his use of the word, in order to return his insult to him. This is a functional statement, not a point.

&quot;If your work is as bad as your arguments, perhaps you are failing, simply because don’t have enough significance to your intended audience.&quot;; this is not a point, but a hypothetical comparison between his failure to deliver his work to his intended audience, who are consumers in the entertainment perspective, to his failure to provide substance in his arguments.

My last paragraph is an observation, which is indisputable, and my questions are for him to challenge before I write superfluously.

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His posts are always clusters of insubstantial arguments and so I always turn his own words against him. Many times I choose to ridicule him as well after I do what is needed.

&quot;... without copying and pasting every detail, then your post is not really worth reading.&quot;

Oh please. You wrote that while thinking that I neither inspect the statements that I quote nor try to reduce the size of the quotations.

&quot;Even though people should own their own intellectual property, they need to change with the times or dry up with the others that don’t.&quot;

At face value, that^ statement is a point that needs to be proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your post is “failing” just as much as his is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please&#8230;if my post is &#8220;failing&#8221; just as much as his is, why doesn&#8217;t he persist to support his points? Besides, I was regarding to his failure to deliver his work, not his failure to post a comment.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you can’t prove your point &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What unproved point of mine are you referring to?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Twenty years is a long time.&#8221;; it is around ~1/4 of the average human life span.</p>
<p>&#8220;You can’t Copyright single musical notes or words in standard vocabulary.&#8221;; logically obvious.</p>
<p>&#8220;Creativity is by principle an innate human nature, not something learned.&#8221;; this is common knowledge among engineers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Besides, your statement is an over-generalized [...]&#8220;; this is an attack on his unsound generalization; self-explanatory.</p>
<p>&#8220;Knowing you, your focus is mostly on money.&#8221;; this is according to his own posts and responses for months now.</p>
<p>&#8220;[...] the word ‘even’ in post-position to ‘maybe’, [...]&#8220;; this one is quite intuitive for me, but quite cumbersome to explain; &#8216;maybe&#8217; is synonymous to &#8216;possibly&#8217;, and &#8216;even&#8217; in this context means &#8220;to a degree that extends&#8221;; but since outcomes are not random and people make expectations when deciding to do something, &#8220;maybe even make money&#8221; would be interpreted as &#8220;by giving it a chance, to some (arbitrary, minimum) extent, earn money&#8221;; now, this is not only at face value, but also implied by his writing and his past postings, which is what I implied by writing &#8220;Knowing you&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;This statement definitely questions your sincerity [...].&#8221;; I analyzed his writing patterns more than enough to be able to detect when he writes with certainty and when he doesn&#8217;t, so I haunt him with it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nobody in the anti-Copyright side has either claimed or denied you of any of your rights.&#8221;; logically obvious.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your suggestion that they are makes you the “parasite”.&#8221;; I quoted &#8220;parasite&#8221; to indicate his use of the word, in order to return his insult to him. This is a functional statement, not a point.</p>
<p>&#8220;If your work is as bad as your arguments, perhaps you are failing, simply because don’t have enough significance to your intended audience.&#8221;; this is not a point, but a hypothetical comparison between his failure to deliver his work to his intended audience, who are consumers in the entertainment perspective, to his failure to provide substance in his arguments.</p>
<p>My last paragraph is an observation, which is indisputable, and my questions are for him to challenge before I write superfluously.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>His posts are always clusters of insubstantial arguments and so I always turn his own words against him. Many times I choose to ridicule him as well after I do what is needed.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; without copying and pasting every detail, then your post is not really worth reading.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh please. You wrote that while thinking that I neither inspect the statements that I quote nor try to reduce the size of the quotations.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even though people should own their own intellectual property, they need to change with the times or dry up with the others that don’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>At face value, that^ statement is a point that needs to be proven.</p>
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		<title>By: TRYER</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-202437</link>
		<dc:creator>TRYER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I disagree with malcolm just as much as you do. Your post is &quot;failing&quot; just as much as his is. 

If you can&#039;t prove your point without copying and pasting every detail, then your post is not really worth reading.

Even though people should own their own intellectual property, they need to change with the times or dry up with the others that don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I disagree with malcolm just as much as you do. Your post is &#8220;failing&#8221; just as much as his is. </p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t prove your point without copying and pasting every detail, then your post is not really worth reading.</p>
<p>Even though people should own their own intellectual property, they need to change with the times or dry up with the others that don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: D.AN</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-201851</link>
		<dc:creator>D.AN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Me and my friends have been generating ‘IP’ collectively for twenty years.&quot;

Like what? Twenty years is a long time.

&quot;...  We own all the copyrights. All the music, all the books, all the art, is not the property of ‘corrupt corporations’ it is owned by us.&quot;

What music, books, and art?

&quot;For some of it we have partnered with corporations and they have helped us make money off of it by investing capital, but we own all our copyrights – every note and every word.&quot;

You can&#039;t Copyright single musical notes or words in standard vocabulary.

&quot;Me owning al lthis property in no way stops you from being creative and making your won stories and songs and records and paintings and films. It doesn’t stop you, on any country on earth – unless your idea of creativity is plagiarism, which is taking something i made and changinf it a tiny bit and then saying you made it – which would be a lie.&quot;

What relevance does plagiarism have with the issue at hand?

&quot;If you want to be creative, learn how to make something (it takes a long time) and go do it.&quot;

Creativity is by principle an innate human nature, not something learned (although more wisdom would always help). Besides, your statement is an over-generalized affront, because people neither necessarily need additional knowledge in order to &quot;make something&quot;, nor need as much time to learn as you required.

&quot;Then you can own things and get credit and maybe even make money.&quot;

This statement definitely questions your sincerity in your entire comment.

&quot;Own things&quot;? Are you implying that people don&#039;t already own anything?

&quot;Get credit&quot;? Isn&#039;t that a natural consequence of creating or authoring?

Knowing you, your focus is mostly on money. That is, you used the word &#039;even&#039; in post-position to &#039;maybe&#039;, as if you expect to earn some arbitrary minimum of money were you to decide to create something.

&quot;What right do you have to my labor?&quot;

Who claims rights to &#039;labor&#039; now...?

&quot;Just for enjoying it?&quot;

Do you not expect anyone that buys your stuff to enjoy it?

Or are you suggesting that nobody is allowed to enjoy anything without paying for it? What folly.

&quot;Saying you have that right makes you no better than a parasite.&quot;

Nobody in the anti-Copyright side has either claimed or denied you of any of your rights. Your suggestion that they are makes you the &quot;parasite&quot;.

&quot;Go make your own.&quot;

If your work is as bad as your arguments, perhaps you are failing, simply because don&#039;t have enough significance to your intended audience.

Now, your last post was a stupid attempt at an ad hominem. This one, however, is just a sad failure at an Ad Verecundiam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Me and my friends have been generating ‘IP’ collectively for twenty years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like what? Twenty years is a long time.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;  We own all the copyrights. All the music, all the books, all the art, is not the property of ‘corrupt corporations’ it is owned by us.&#8221;</p>
<p>What music, books, and art?</p>
<p>&#8220;For some of it we have partnered with corporations and they have helped us make money off of it by investing capital, but we own all our copyrights – every note and every word.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t Copyright single musical notes or words in standard vocabulary.</p>
<p>&#8220;Me owning al lthis property in no way stops you from being creative and making your won stories and songs and records and paintings and films. It doesn’t stop you, on any country on earth – unless your idea of creativity is plagiarism, which is taking something i made and changinf it a tiny bit and then saying you made it – which would be a lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>What relevance does plagiarism have with the issue at hand?</p>
<p>&#8220;If you want to be creative, learn how to make something (it takes a long time) and go do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Creativity is by principle an innate human nature, not something learned (although more wisdom would always help). Besides, your statement is an over-generalized affront, because people neither necessarily need additional knowledge in order to &#8220;make something&#8221;, nor need as much time to learn as you required.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then you can own things and get credit and maybe even make money.&#8221;</p>
<p>This statement definitely questions your sincerity in your entire comment.</p>
<p>&#8220;Own things&#8221;? Are you implying that people don&#8217;t already own anything?</p>
<p>&#8220;Get credit&#8221;? Isn&#8217;t that a natural consequence of creating or authoring?</p>
<p>Knowing you, your focus is mostly on money. That is, you used the word &#8216;even&#8217; in post-position to &#8216;maybe&#8217;, as if you expect to earn some arbitrary minimum of money were you to decide to create something.</p>
<p>&#8220;What right do you have to my labor?&#8221;</p>
<p>Who claims rights to &#8216;labor&#8217; now&#8230;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Just for enjoying it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you not expect anyone that buys your stuff to enjoy it?</p>
<p>Or are you suggesting that nobody is allowed to enjoy anything without paying for it? What folly.</p>
<p>&#8220;Saying you have that right makes you no better than a parasite.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody in the anti-Copyright side has either claimed or denied you of any of your rights. Your suggestion that they are makes you the &#8220;parasite&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Go make your own.&#8221;</p>
<p>If your work is as bad as your arguments, perhaps you are failing, simply because don&#8217;t have enough significance to your intended audience.</p>
<p>Now, your last post was a stupid attempt at an ad hominem. This one, however, is just a sad failure at an Ad Verecundiam.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm hume</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-201796</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm hume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and my friends have been generating &#039;IP&#039; collectively for twenty years. We own all the copyrights. All the music, all the books, all the art, is not the property of &#039;corrupt corporations&#039; it is owned by us. For some of it we have partnered with corporations and they have helped us make money off of it by investing capital, but we own all our copyrights - every note and every word. 

Me owning al lthis property in no way stops you from being creative and making your won stories and songs and records and paintings and films. It doesn&#039;t stop you, on any country on earth - unless your idea of creativity is plagiarism, which is taking something i made and changinf it a tiny bit and then saying you made it - which would be a lie. 

If you want to be creative, learn how to make something (it takes a long time) and go do it. Then you can own things and get credit and maybe even make money.

What right do you have to my labor? Just for enjoying it? Saying you have that right makes you no better than a parasite. 

Go make your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and my friends have been generating &#8216;IP&#8217; collectively for twenty years. We own all the copyrights. All the music, all the books, all the art, is not the property of &#8216;corrupt corporations&#8217; it is owned by us. For some of it we have partnered with corporations and they have helped us make money off of it by investing capital, but we own all our copyrights &#8211; every note and every word. </p>
<p>Me owning al lthis property in no way stops you from being creative and making your won stories and songs and records and paintings and films. It doesn&#8217;t stop you, on any country on earth &#8211; unless your idea of creativity is plagiarism, which is taking something i made and changinf it a tiny bit and then saying you made it &#8211; which would be a lie. </p>
<p>If you want to be creative, learn how to make something (it takes a long time) and go do it. Then you can own things and get credit and maybe even make money.</p>
<p>What right do you have to my labor? Just for enjoying it? Saying you have that right makes you no better than a parasite. </p>
<p>Go make your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-201572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I never thought about it that way before. XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I never thought about it that way before. XD</p>
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		<title>By: T.W. Day</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-201528</link>
		<dc:creator>T.W. Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go for it Canada! Some country with a semblance of balls needs to take on our &quot;intellectual property&quot; laws before all invention and creation is the property of corrupt corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go for it Canada! Some country with a semblance of balls needs to take on our &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; laws before all invention and creation is the property of corrupt corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: mountain_rage</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-201469</link>
		<dc:creator>mountain_rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think the American entertainment industry is still bitter that we sent them Celine Dion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think the American entertainment industry is still bitter that we sent them Celine Dion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86917/american-music-group-finds-fair-canadian-copyright-disgusting/#comment-201459</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We intend on taking the NDP to task over this, and will accept nothing less than a retraction of Ms Chow’s statements and an apology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What do you plan to do, sue them? They didn&#039;t do anything illegal by expressing their opinions (I mean, come on, they&#039;re not even hateful), so you can&#039;t touch them. And if you do, they can sue you right back.

Come on, America. You keep telling us to boycott your stuff if we don&#039;t like the conditions that come with it; why don&#039;t you boycott us by not sending stuff over here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We intend on taking the NDP to task over this, and will accept nothing less than a retraction of Ms Chow’s statements and an apology.</p></blockquote>
<p>What do you plan to do, sue them? They didn&#8217;t do anything illegal by expressing their opinions (I mean, come on, they&#8217;re not even hateful), so you can&#8217;t touch them. And if you do, they can sue you right back.</p>
<p>Come on, America. You keep telling us to boycott your stuff if we don&#8217;t like the conditions that come with it; why don&#8217;t you boycott us by not sending stuff over here?</p>
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