Comments on: PPUK – Why the Price of Justice is Too High for File-Sharing http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86880/ppuk-why-the-price-of-justice-is-too-high-for-file-sharing/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:36:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 2009 – A ZeroPaid Year in Review – Part 2 of 3 http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86880/ppuk-why-the-price-of-justice-is-too-high-for-file-sharing/#comment-220466 2009 – A ZeroPaid Year in Review – Part 2 of 3 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:33:44 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86880#comment-220466 [...] seriously planned on a p2p crackdown. The British Pirate Party quickly built a name for themselves, writing a provocative piece on why the cost to fight file-sharing was “too high”. It was then that the UK government pretty much made it official that it would disconnect [...] [...] seriously planned on a p2p crackdown. The British Pirate Party quickly built a name for themselves, writing a provocative piece on why the cost to fight file-sharing was “too high”. It was then that the UK government pretty much made it official that it would disconnect [...]

]]> By: Retro http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86880/ppuk-why-the-price-of-justice-is-too-high-for-file-sharing/#comment-200911 Retro Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:12:47 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86880#comment-200911 Im guessing if people switch on their 'encryption' there wont be a problem! Im guessing if people switch on their ‘encryption’ there wont be a problem!

]]> By: DrewWilson http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86880/ppuk-why-the-price-of-justice-is-too-high-for-file-sharing/#comment-200565 DrewWilson Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:31:25 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86880#comment-200565 I'm thinking that what they are getting at really is the whole concept of the three strikes law which is a huge issue in the UK right now. If there was actual justice involved in the three strikes law, then each strike would be a court case. Since three strikes isn't the same thing as a lawsuit as seen in the US, then yes, every copyright infringement case would be on a per file basis (as we are talking one act, one strike) Since that is unattainable through justice as it would send the court system straight into bankruptcy, then the only option is to skip the court system entirely (which I discussed in the article) If you think it'll just be a collection of files that counts as a strike, there have been cases in New Zealand where one act meant one strike - I believe that had something to do with voice-acting over public domain material of all things. So yes, not only is it an actual fact that three strikes is a per-file issue, but it was even practiced that way already. I would argue that the PPUK aren't entirely out in left field on this as you have argued. Lawsuits and three strikes schemes are two different beasts. I’m thinking that what they are getting at really is the whole concept of the three strikes law which is a huge issue in the UK right now.

If there was actual justice involved in the three strikes law, then each strike would be a court case. Since three strikes isn’t the same thing as a lawsuit as seen in the US, then yes, every copyright infringement case would be on a per file basis (as we are talking one act, one strike)

Since that is unattainable through justice as it would send the court system straight into bankruptcy, then the only option is to skip the court system entirely (which I discussed in the article)

If you think it’ll just be a collection of files that counts as a strike, there have been cases in New Zealand where one act meant one strike – I believe that had something to do with voice-acting over public domain material of all things. So yes, not only is it an actual fact that three strikes is a per-file issue, but it was even practiced that way already.

I would argue that the PPUK aren’t entirely out in left field on this as you have argued. Lawsuits and three strikes schemes are two different beasts.

]]> By: mountain_rage http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86880/ppuk-why-the-price-of-justice-is-too-high-for-file-sharing/#comment-200557 mountain_rage Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:33:18 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86880#comment-200557 Have to agree with you there, they should have more integrity if they want to gain support from the mass electorate. Stunts like these will just turn people off. Have to agree with you there, they should have more integrity if they want to gain support from the mass electorate. Stunts like these will just turn people off.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86880/ppuk-why-the-price-of-justice-is-too-high-for-file-sharing/#comment-200544 Patrick Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:41:05 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86880#comment-200544 It's unlikely they would hold a trial for each file a person is accused of sharing. More than likely they would hold one trial or one trial for each copyright holder affected (although a judge would likely combine the suits where possible) and establish if and what files were illegally shared and assign punishment accordingly. While the hundred files may effect the severity of the punishment the impact on the number of cases is no where near as severe as the trial per file suggested the Pirate Party. This is almost as bad as the BSA making up piracy statistics. I support what the Pirate Party wants to do, but that's no excuse for bogus stats and exaggerations. It’s unlikely they would hold a trial for each file a person is accused of sharing. More than likely they would hold one trial or one trial for each copyright holder affected (although a judge would likely combine the suits where possible) and establish if and what files were illegally shared and assign punishment accordingly. While the hundred files may effect the severity of the punishment the impact on the number of cases is no where near as severe as the trial per file suggested the Pirate Party. This is almost as bad as the BSA making up piracy statistics.

I support what the Pirate Party wants to do, but that’s no excuse for bogus stats and exaggerations.

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