Comments on: Pirate Party Lands on UK Shores

By: UK Pirate Party Releases 2010 Election Manifesto

UK Pirate Party Releases 2010 Election Manifesto — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:23:15 +0000

[...] Pirate Party UK (PPUK) landed on UK shores last year in order to address growing concerns that laws need to “match the [...]

By: D.AN

D.AN — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:21:18 +0000

“Sad drivel in your view perhaps, …”

You forget that there are other readers here. Or is that part of the reason why you disregard consumers?

“… but yours is all ad hominem because you still haven’t refuted one word of a very direct and simple statement.”

Wow, you are a hypocrite.

Practically all of your comments have used ad hominem. For instance, the first sentence of your comment.

Do you even know what ‘ad hominem’ means? It means “appealing to personal considerations rather than to fact or reason”. Insults are not ad hominem, but trying to disprove or prove something by attacking a characteristic or belief of his is ad hominem. soulxtc regarded your “utter drivel”, i.e. the substance of your argument, but that is not ad hominem.

“And companies are making money on EVERYTHING at “societies (their customers) expense”, every product, every service, every thing they market and sell, within every form of government in every country in the world.”

Holy shit this is the most naive thing I have read from you today!

“So your point is?”

I can indeed make fun of you all I want!

By: D.AN

D.AN — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:58:55 +0000

“When you give a book or dvd away the other person now has it, you don’t have it anymore and the one possession-one purchase doctrine is respected.”

You neglect the fact that people would rather not lend their possessions as there is the risk of losing it and that the original owner cannot use it until it is returned.

Do you know why you neglect this crucial fact? It’s your utter disregard to consumers and the current century.

“When you copy it to give it away, you have 2 possessions but the artist got paid for only one.”

Assuming the song was bought legally, how would you know that the artist was paid at all?

How do you count one copy as one possession?

“Inconvenient difference.”

Subjective garbage.

“Maybe the Pirate Party can get out of single-figure percentages someday when it stops basing it’s platform on lies like this one.”

Worthless drivel.

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By: PPUK – Why the Price of Justice is Too High for File-Sharing

PPUK – Why the Price of Justice is Too High for File-Sharing — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:03:56 +0000

[...] week, the UK Pirate Party officially became a political party in Britain, this week, they have posted an interesting commentary on the price of justice if every file-sharer [...]

By: Pirate Party Finland Officially Registered as a Political Party

Pirate Party Finland Officially Registered as a Political Party — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:52:57 +0000

[...] like the UK Pirate Party, the Finnish counterpart has officially been registered as a political [...]

By: Rob

Rob — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:59:04 +0000

The book/cd metaphor doesn’t work in this case, and it’s a cause of problems.
When I buy a CD, it makes sense that I pay for that CD, because it cost money to manufacture and distribute to me. There is a benefit to me, the cd, and a cost to the vendor, the cost of supplying it. But music pirates don’t shoplift CDs.
When I download the _contents_ of a CD, there is a benefit to me (the same as before) and _no_cost_ to the supplier. I do not pay him because he was not involved, he incurred no costs from the download, and deserves no reward.
People think about computing in metaphors -desktops, files, folders, webSITES are thought of like places, emails thought of like letters, and music thought of like physical CDs. But a digital song is a bunch of binary. It is, in fact just a very big number, just information. And any attempt to charge someone for a number, or claim _ownership_ of a number, or stop one person from telling someone else a number, just because you happen to also sell disks with the same number on them, begins to look as ridiculous as it is.
The music ‘industry’ has not been around for long, and in that time it has done more to harm the culture and art of music than any other force. Speak to any true artist, they feel that making art is something so fundamental to their personality that they will do it all their life, whenever they can. Artists continue to make art under pain of death in oppressive regimes, musicians write because they feel compelled to, and and play because they love it. If any ‘artists’ decide to stop making music because of reduced profit from CD sales, i think we can afford to lose them. A very large proportion of their income comes from live concert ticket sales (an actual product that exists and they have the right to sell) anyway, unless they have no actual talent and are thus unable to perform live.

By: TicTacToe

TicTacToe — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:22:08 +0000

If singers or groups don’t like it, then why don’t they just not produce any CDs and perform live instead?

Culteral folk songs are passed down from generation to generation without royalties ever being paid.

In many cases many music albums are OVER produced, costing millions to make. 90% of the songs will be crap.

Defination of greed? Well, you hear of a songwriter writing a song within 5 minutes and getting $ millions for it. That is GREED.

Humans have for thousands of years listened to free music, it’s a tradition

By: Dazza37

Dazza37 — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:24:25 +0000

I can remember copying songs on to tape back in the 80`s then tape to tape came out, WHY? for that simple purpose. it did not effect the industry then and it doesnt NOW!
as for the artist, the revenue they receive is around 2% of sale which is peanuts anyway. the artists dont complain because they have and always will make there money with live tours and appearances and sale of ,merchandise. the only complaints are from industry`s figures that have for years controlled what,when, and how we listen to music. since this freedom through file sharing, top bands are being recognised and old favorites are being resurrected..enough said….

By: soulxtc

soulxtc — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:03:38 +0000

I have refuted your positions time and time again, but you dismiss them without any evidence to the contrary.

P2P actually increases music consumption. Music industry losses are due mainly to the fact that nobody buys albums anymore (thank iTunes), and that teens, especially in the UK, are turning to FREE sources of streaming music.

The music industry has been screwing customers and artists over for years and that is a FACT. From swindling early blues and jazz artists to the infamous 20 dollar CD boondoggle in the 1990s it has only cared about profits at every turn. Its no secret the number of artists that have been screwed over. That too is FACT.

Bottom line is that P2P is here to stay so quit whining and get creative. Its so tiresome to hear you whine all the time.