Comments on: “Vanish” Uses BitTorrent to Make Data Disappear http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:36:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Kapili http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-201289 John Kapili Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:26:23 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-201289 My Vanishing Message program is not the same as Vanish. I made Vanishing Message in 2001 and have just now released it to the public free on my website. Vanishing Message will also be introduced on CNET around September 1st 2009. My Vanishing Message program is not the same as Vanish. I made Vanishing Message in 2001 and have just now released it to the public free on my website.
Vanishing Message will also be introduced on CNET around September 1st 2009.

]]> By: John Kapili http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-200146 John Kapili Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:48:35 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-200146 Vanishing Message is a file message that can be sent by email attachment or file transfer. The message can be read by the recipient then vanishes without a trace. As we all know there are times when we need to send a message to someone that we want no trace of later. Vanishing Message uses a random encryption on all words, no word is ever encrypted the same. The message vanishes if exited, cannot be copied, if viewed longer than 1 minute it vanishes and you can use the same file to forward or email another person a new message. So prove it!!! Did it ever exist? Vanishing Message is a file message that can be sent by email attachment or file transfer. The message can be read by the recipient then vanishes without a trace. As we all know there are times when we need to send a message to someone that we want no trace of later. Vanishing Message uses a random encryption on all words, no word is ever encrypted the same. The message vanishes if exited, cannot be copied, if viewed longer than 1 minute it vanishes and you can use the same file to forward or email another person a new message. So prove it!!! Did it ever exist?

]]> By: greendemon http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-199435 greendemon Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:16:50 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-199435 It seems that the most useful application for this is on social networking (SN) sites (e.g. personal status updates on FB or Twitter which may prove embarassing at some future date). It is in the interest of SN services to retain the personal data for mining purposes, so I would expect them to view Vanish as a fringe threat to their business model. SN services can implement code which detects a posted Vanish message and - reject it - resolve it as soon as it is posted, and save a plaintext copy for internal use. I'd say Vanish is an interesting academic exercise with no real-world use for people seriously concerned with their online privacy. Safest option for users: consider data you publish to be available forever to everyone. It seems that the most useful application for this is on social networking (SN) sites (e.g. personal status updates on FB or Twitter which may prove embarassing at some future date).

It is in the interest of SN services to retain the personal data for mining purposes, so I would expect them to view Vanish as a fringe threat to their business model.

SN services can implement code which detects a posted Vanish message and
– reject it
– resolve it as soon as it is posted, and save a plaintext copy for internal use.

I’d say Vanish is an interesting academic exercise with no real-world use for people seriously concerned with their online privacy.

Safest option for users: consider data you publish to be available forever to everyone.

]]> By: DeadFrog http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-199382 DeadFrog Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:17:29 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-199382 This could backfire though... We learn a lot about government corruption from leaked emails... This could backfire though…

We learn a lot about government corruption from leaked emails…

]]> By: Zaphod http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-199172 Zaphod Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:09:00 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-199172 So, what you are saying is, between 8 & 9 hours, this system closely parallels Schrodinger's Cat? It is fascinating to see this in the real world. Both simultaneously alive, and dead. Question is, if we lift the lid, and look in the box, does that vent the poison and kill us with a 'sploit buried in the message? OR does the poison vent and the cat live (new lease on life due to interest in the data causing a wider dispersion amonst peers)? So, what you are saying is, between 8 & 9 hours, this system closely parallels Schrodinger’s Cat? It is fascinating to see this in the real world. Both simultaneously alive, and dead.

Question is, if we lift the lid, and look in the box, does that vent the poison and kill us with a ‘sploit buried in the message? OR does the poison vent and the cat live (new lease on life due to interest in the data causing a wider dispersion amonst peers)?

]]> By: Boomer The Dog http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-199069 Boomer The Dog Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:31:20 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-199069 It might help with downloads, you could send a link to a file privately, or post it on your blog. This looks like something for short text messages, no way can I see sharing files directly through it. The reason is, it's riding on the DHT service in Bit Torrent and that's a really low bandwidth system that is there to help the torrent program get information about your downloads. Note the example messages on the site, they are only a few lines long! I don't know much about how DHT really works woof, but I have to wonder about the impact of Vanish injecting its messages in it. Also, if DHT was to vanish, then Vanish would vanish too, right? It might help with downloads, you could send a link to a file privately, or post it on your blog. This looks like something for short text messages, no way can I see sharing files directly through it.

The reason is, it’s riding on the DHT service in Bit Torrent and that’s a really low bandwidth system that is there to help the torrent program get information about your downloads. Note the example messages on the site, they are only a few lines long!

I don’t know much about how DHT really works woof, but I have to wonder about the impact of Vanish injecting its messages in it. Also, if DHT was to vanish, then Vanish would vanish too, right?

]]> By: ejonesss http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-199039 ejonesss Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:12:37 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-199039 is this going to mean we can download stuff without the aa's sending out c&d notices and threats of lawsuits? is this going to mean we can download stuff without the aa’s sending out c&d notices and threats of lawsuits?

]]> By: mountain_rage http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-198998 mountain_rage Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:34:30 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-198998 We are sending you on a secret message Gadget ................................. ....................................... This message will self destruct in 30 seconds. We are sending you on a secret message Gadget ……………………………

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This message will self destruct in 30 seconds.

]]> By: soulxtc http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-198997 soulxtc Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:28:28 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-198997 According to the whitepaper the answer is no.... "To be more precise, by default, the data will be available with high probability for 8 hours after its encapsulation and will become unavailable with high probability after 9 hours. During the one hour between 8 and 9 hours, the data's state is undetermined: it could be available or unavailable, although it typically remains available for close to 9 hours. " Application? Using it to encapsulate all or some of the posts PMs, e-mails, etc you put out on the web so that its stay time is finite. Think about it. From youth to adulthood your constantly putting data out there that can be retrieved and used for or against you. A stupid e-mail or Facebbok post from college could impact a job interview, etc.. According to the whitepaper the answer is no….

“To be more precise, by default, the data will be available with high probability for 8 hours after its encapsulation and will become unavailable with high probability after 9 hours. During the one hour between 8 and 9 hours, the data’s state is undetermined: it could be available or unavailable, although it typically remains available for close to 9 hours. ”

Application? Using it to encapsulate all or some of the posts PMs, e-mails, etc you put out on the web so that its stay time is finite.

Think about it. From youth to adulthood your constantly putting data out there that can be retrieved and used for or against you. A stupid e-mail or Facebbok post from college could impact a job interview, etc..

]]> By: vanish? http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86800/vanish-uses-bittorrent-to-make-data-disappear/#comment-198973 vanish? Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:28:34 +0000 http://www.zeropaid.com/?p=86800#comment-198973 im curious, is it possible to retrieve the data again after it has been dispersed? what would be the applications of this? im curious, is it possible to retrieve the data again after it has been dispersed? what would be the applications of this?

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