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	<title>Comments on: Candian ISP: Overage Fees &#8220;Not About Making Money&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: David Hersh</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hersh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a web site coming out soon called http://www.webwildink.com  there is going to be some organizing and fighting back on that site so check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a web site coming out soon called <a href="http://www.webwildink.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.webwildink.com</a>  there is going to be some organizing and fighting back on that site so check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hersh</title>
		<link>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/85981/candian-isp-overage-fees-not-about-making-money/#comment-189057</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hersh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean that they didn&#039;t instal; enough viber optics in the ground?  That would be a very stupid thing.

I download everything I can and will always do it forever intil I die.  My life&#039;s goal is to download $1 billion dollars in files from the net.  I should get close with the equipment I have.  Then I hope to register this achievement in Ripley&#039;s Believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean that they didn&#8217;t instal; enough viber optics in the ground?  That would be a very stupid thing.</p>
<p>I download everything I can and will always do it forever intil I die.  My life&#8217;s goal is to download $1 billion dollars in files from the net.  I should get close with the equipment I have.  Then I hope to register this achievement in Ripley&#8217;s Believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: chris-hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris-hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well all i can say is that it is about time we start fighting back
we can sit here and bitch all we want, but as long as that is all we do then nothing will ever change. Idont know what the answer is but for sure i am going to check this place out http://www.acanac.ca/... If anyone use it or has any info about it please post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well all i can say is that it is about time we start fighting back<br />
we can sit here and bitch all we want, but as long as that is all we do then nothing will ever change. Idont know what the answer is but for sure i am going to check this place out <a href="http://www.acanac.ca/.." rel="nofollow">http://www.acanac.ca/..</a>. If anyone use it or has any info about it please post</p>
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		<title>By: saimhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>saimhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A few&quot; bandwidth hogs??? Then provide usage statistics every month, visible even for third parties, adequately redacted to ensure privacy -- and make the next month cap, say, at 20 times the global average value times some factor depending on the package. Not only it would be fair among subscribers, but also provide enough pressure for ISP to charge adequately and upgrade timely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A few&#8221; bandwidth hogs??? Then provide usage statistics every month, visible even for third parties, adequately redacted to ensure privacy &#8212; and make the next month cap, say, at 20 times the global average value times some factor depending on the package. Not only it would be fair among subscribers, but also provide enough pressure for ISP to charge adequately and upgrade timely.</p>
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		<title>By: Thoreau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minkorrh said: &quot;If they advertise x amount of bandwidth at x dollars p/month, why can’t I use it as I see fit?&quot;

Exactly.  My ISP has recently advertised that it has doubled its download speed.  At what cost?  By limiting my download capacity to one half of what it used to be?

I think most if not all corporations servicing internet customers are likely more interested in revenue streams rather than data streams.

Data caps are an effective way of increasing revenue in an ever growing general internet market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minkorrh said: &#8220;If they advertise x amount of bandwidth at x dollars p/month, why can’t I use it as I see fit?&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  My ISP has recently advertised that it has doubled its download speed.  At what cost?  By limiting my download capacity to one half of what it used to be?</p>
<p>I think most if not all corporations servicing internet customers are likely more interested in revenue streams rather than data streams.</p>
<p>Data caps are an effective way of increasing revenue in an ever growing general internet market.</p>
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		<title>By: Minkorrh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minkorrh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just goes back to the fact that they are selling you something that they just don&#039;t have - in infrastructure to support the speed and bandwidth they advertise. If they advertise x amount of bandwidth at x dollars p/month, why can&#039;t I use it as I see fit? Because they don&#039;t have it. False advertising once again gets ignored because it&#039;s &#039;semantics&#039;....It&#039;s not semantics - it&#039;s a friggin ripoff!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just goes back to the fact that they are selling you something that they just don&#8217;t have &#8211; in infrastructure to support the speed and bandwidth they advertise. If they advertise x amount of bandwidth at x dollars p/month, why can&#8217;t I use it as I see fit? Because they don&#8217;t have it. False advertising once again gets ignored because it&#8217;s &#8216;semantics&#8217;&#8230;.It&#8217;s not semantics &#8211; it&#8217;s a friggin ripoff!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaranj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaranj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This wont last.   All it will take is for one person to start a lawsuit against any overage charges that questions HOW the ISP knows the traffic is SOLICITED.   I know... I worked for a cable ISP when Code Red hit...  On certain IP blocks, over-usage was hit *very* quickly.  Does YOUR activity light go completely mute with everything behind it off? Probably not, as the worm of the week will always be knocking down your door.   And if the ISPs *are* inspecting your packets and have proof of any sort, then the privacy issue comes into play...   This is fine for now, but once someone wises up and realizes that the ISP *could* DoS or merely ping-test people over their amounts without any proof of solicited traffic to the user, this model will fail and class-action might follow.  I mean, what is to stop the ISP&#039;s from &quot;padding&quot; their profits under this policy?  I have often suspected that certain AntiVirus programmers are responsible for virus outbreaks *cough*MCAFEE*cough*, so what&#039;s to stop ISPs under this unregulated model from creating their *own* job security?  I hope it forces ISPs to throttle down to whatever they can offer you at full lode 24/7.   I think it may level the competitive market at that point, and then push competition back into place. (Where is my 100MBit line like in EU?  You want to CAP my 10-15Mbit line AS-IS?)  Ballocks I say...  Fight it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This wont last.   All it will take is for one person to start a lawsuit against any overage charges that questions HOW the ISP knows the traffic is SOLICITED.   I know&#8230; I worked for a cable ISP when Code Red hit&#8230;  On certain IP blocks, over-usage was hit *very* quickly.  Does YOUR activity light go completely mute with everything behind it off? Probably not, as the worm of the week will always be knocking down your door.   And if the ISPs *are* inspecting your packets and have proof of any sort, then the privacy issue comes into play&#8230;   This is fine for now, but once someone wises up and realizes that the ISP *could* DoS or merely ping-test people over their amounts without any proof of solicited traffic to the user, this model will fail and class-action might follow.  I mean, what is to stop the ISP&#8217;s from &#8220;padding&#8221; their profits under this policy?  I have often suspected that certain AntiVirus programmers are responsible for virus outbreaks *cough*MCAFEE*cough*, so what&#8217;s to stop ISPs under this unregulated model from creating their *own* job security?  I hope it forces ISPs to throttle down to whatever they can offer you at full lode 24/7.   I think it may level the competitive market at that point, and then push competition back into place. (Where is my 100MBit line like in EU?  You want to CAP my 10-15Mbit line AS-IS?)  Ballocks I say&#8230;  Fight it.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as they don&#039;t lower the current 60 gigs per month for standard...but with video online getting bigger all the time i can&#039;t see it sticking to that amount a few years down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as they don&#8217;t lower the current 60 gigs per month for standard&#8230;but with video online getting bigger all the time i can&#8217;t see it sticking to that amount a few years down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: genius</title>
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		<dc:creator>genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too expensive and too stupid! some poor country (here) also got unlimited plan to unlimited usage... this guy want to earn more just thinking the old plan will work in this new age... lol, he think that dsl is actually dial-up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too expensive and too stupid! some poor country (here) also got unlimited plan to unlimited usage&#8230; this guy want to earn more just thinking the old plan will work in this new age&#8230; lol, he think that dsl is actually dial-up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: soulxtc</title>
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		<dc:creator>soulxtc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MR 

You&#039;re right about the competition angle, especially here in the US where there really is no competition between cable providers, each has their own coverage area free from competition (dial up dont count).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MR </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the competition angle, especially here in the US where there really is no competition between cable providers, each has their own coverage area free from competition (dial up dont count).</p>
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