Senate legislates police state

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  1. carpefile

    carpefile Chronic Established Member

    Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window

    "While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself."
    http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...erican-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

    If this bill passes un-ammended we will officially live in a police state. The powers granted in this bill are so broad that our own military could be turned upon, for example, the OWS protesters, and citizens could be detained indefinitely with out charges. The senate is trying to sneak this through without public knowledge & there is very little time to contact your US Senator and voice dissent.

    This is the single scariest bill ever introduced. If it passes, America as we know it, is finished.
    :mad: Call your US Senator NOW!!!
    http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
  2. RACKnRAIL

    RACKnRAIL 今は知っているでしょ Staff Member Moderator

    Now why would they need a bill like that passed?

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  3. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    Can someone remind me why an overwhelming majority of American voters vote either Republican or Democrat?
  4. evilmegaman

    evilmegaman ZP Superhero Established Member

    What. The. Fuuuuuuuuuuck
  5. mfgbypooter

    mfgbypooter Super Pooper Staff Member Moderator


    Because they knowingly or unknowingly enjoy committing Treason against their own Country.

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  6. YWD67

    YWD67 YOUR WATCH DOG 67 Established Member

    Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) is a blue dog Republican following Dem. Here is the complete story on who is supporting it. No other Dem. just so called following conservative right thinking people.

    Carp you left alot out, and picked and choosed the part to post.

    There is a bill to counter and cut such ant-freedom loving BS. It is being lead not by a so called conservative freedom lovers, nor Teaparty, nor Libreatarian people.
    Rather it is a so called commie loving, liberal, freedom hating Democrat.
    Guess who is one of the biggest orgs. against this anti-freedom bill.
    Wait for the drum roll.
    THE ACLU!!!!!!!!

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    http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...erican-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being
    While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

    Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.

    The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

    The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.

    I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?

    The answer on why now is nothing more than election season politics. The White House, the Secretary of Defense, and the Attorney General have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act are harmful and counterproductive. The White House has even threatened a veto. But

    Senate politics has propelled this bad legislation to the Senate floor.
    But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation. Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.

    In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”

    The solution is the Udall Amendment; a way for the Senate to say no to indefinite detention without charge or trial anywhere in the world where any president decides to use the military. Instead of simply going along with a bill that was drafted in secret and is being jammed through the Senate, the Udall Amendment deletes the provisions and sets up an orderly review of detention power. It tries to take the politics out and put American values back in.

    In response to proponents of the indefinite detention legislation who contend that the bill “applies to American citizens and designates the world as the battlefield,” and that the “heart of the issue is whether or not the United States is part of the battlefield,” Sen. Udall disagrees, and says that we can win this fight without worldwide war and worldwide indefinite detention.

    The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme position that will forever change our country.
    Now is the time to stop this bad idea. Please urge your senators to vote YES on the Udall Amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act.
  7. carpefile

    carpefile Chronic Established Member

    What did I leave out? I posted 2 links to the exact same thing you posted. Oh you mean the finger pointing. I don't give a rat's ass who introduced it or supports it, it simply needs to be stopped. And yeah, I got my info from the ACLU, I don't really know why that's a surprise. Libertarians are about liberty, particularly individual (civil) liberty. So of course I follow what the ACLU puts up.
  8. YWD67

    YWD67 YOUR WATCH DOG 67 Established Member

    Never said who in the same senate was in against it or filing a bill in responce to it either.
  9. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

  10. carpefile

    carpefile Chronic Established Member

    Both of my idiot senators voted it down. Obama said he would veto it if it passed without the Udall Amendment, we'll just have to wait and see. Friggin idiots.
  11. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    Senate Votes To Let Military Detain Americans Indefinitely, White House Threatens Veto

    WASHINGTON -- The Senate voted Tuesday to keep a controversial provision to let the military detain terrorism suspects on U.S. soil and hold them indefinitely without trial -- prompting White House officials to reissue a veto threat.

    The measure, part of the massive National Defense Authorization Act, was also opposed by civil libertarians on the left and right. But 16 Democrats and an independent joined with Republicans to defeat an amendment by Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) that would have killed the provision, voting it down with 61 against, and 37 for it.

    "I'm very, very, concerned about having U.S. citizens sent to Guantanamo Bay for indefinite detention," said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the Senate's most conservative members.

    Paul's top complaint is that a terrorism suspect would get just one hearing where the military could assert that the person is a suspected terrorist -- and then they could be locked up for life, without ever formally being charged. The only safety valve is a waiver from the secretary of defense.

    "It's not enough just to be alleged to be a terrorist," Paul said, echoing the views of the American Civil Liberties Union. "That's part of what due process is -- deciding, are you a terrorist? I think it's important that we not allow U.S. citizens to be taken."

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  12. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    60,000 Demand Progress Members Urge Obama To Veto National Defense Authorization Act

    Members Oppose Provisions That Would Allow Idefinite Detention of Americans By Military and Without Trial

    Washington, DC: Demand Progress announced that 60,000 Americans have urged President Obama to make good on his veto threat and reject the National Defense Authorization Act if it passes without amendment.

    On Tuesday the Senate rejected an amendment to the NDAA which would remove provisions allowing the military to detain American citizens who are accused with terrorism -- without ever charging them.

    Others can add their names by visiting http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/ndaa/

    As Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) put it, "Congress is essentially authorizing the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge."

    Earlier this year the Obama adminstration asserted opposition to this provision as it noted that:

    "The NDAA as it stands represents an unfathomable of disregard due process, and our members urge President Obama to veto it if it makes it to his desk."

    Demand Progress is a civil rights and civil liberties activist organization with more than 750,000 members.

    [press release received via e-mail]
  13. carpefile

    carpefile Chronic Established Member

    That's Obama's out on this;
    "Applying this military custody requirement to individuals inside the United States, as some Members of Congress have suggested is their intention, would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets."

    The wording is such that it is NOT a requirement to detain domestic citizens in military custody, it is merely an open ended authorization to do so. Bet he weasels. Bet.
  14. mfgbypooter

    mfgbypooter Super Pooper Staff Member Moderator


    When it comes to weasels, Obama isn't just their champion, he's their supreme king, so good luck finding someone to take that bet.

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  15. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    When the US finally declares marshall law (as that sounds like an accurate term for this), just stay indoors, play nice, be a good upstanding citizen, then sneak past the watchtowers and run your ass off down the highway and sneak in to Canada.

    Before you ask, yes, Canada has already had illegal immagrants sneaking from the United States into Canada. So it wouldn't be anything new at this stage.

    In the mean time, here's an update to your national anthem:

    [video=youtube;GmDBJyxa1OA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmDBJyxa1OA[/video]
  16. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    US Senate passes its version of NDAA bill, which would allow military to detain anyone on US soil

    The US Senate on Thursday passed its version of a bill that, among other provisions, would enable the US military to indefinitely detain anyone who is deemed to be engaging in terrorist activities.

    93 Senators voted for the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), with only seven opposing and none abstaining. (A list of who voted for the bill is available at OpenCongress.)

    The NDAA authorises $662 billion in funds for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and military personnel. The act's Subtitle D would also allow the military to detain anyone, including US citizens, on home soil, without having to guarantee a trial.

    The House will also vote on the bill, and then must reconcile its version with the Senate's, before the legislation could be sent to the President's desk. A roll call was held over the bill in late May in the House, where 322 Representatives supported, 96 opposed, and 13 abstained.

    Obama's administration has cautioned it would veto NDAA, although some political observers say the president would sign it anyway to avoid political headaches.

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  17. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    The Media's Blackout Of The National Defense Authorization Act Is Shameful

    The broadcast media's ignorance and unwillingness to cover the National Defense Authorization Act, a radical piece of legislation which outrageously redefines the US homeland as a "battlefield" and makes US citizens subject to military apprehension and detainment for life without access to a trial or attorney, is unacceptable.

    Guys, this is far more important than Penn State's Disgusting Creep of the Decade, or even Conrad Murray's sentencing.

    Call it what you will: a military junta, a secret invalidation of Americans' civil rights, a Congress gone mad. Whatever it is, it needs to be covered by the press, and quickly.

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  18. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    US Senate wants the entire USA to be a ”battleground”

    In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S. Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America.

    The National Defense Authorization Act is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ”if we want it to.”

    This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a ”battleground” upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.

    Even WIRED magazine was outraged at this bill, reporting:

    Senate Wants the Military to Lock You Up Without Trial

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  19. carpefile

    carpefile Chronic Established Member

    Its horrifying how little coverage this has received, and whats even more sad is how few people seem to care at all.
  20. Drew Wilson

    Drew Wilson AKA IceCube Staff Member Moderator Contributor

    Probably don't want to get arrested by the military for "aiding the enemy"

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