Freenet - freespeech or just child porn

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  1. Shaddix

    Shaddix Member

    Freenet and content

    first time using freenet today. one of the first sites i went to was 'the freenet engine'. links to other freenet sites, including several child porn sites. :mellow

    and this is one of the "bookmarks" freenet comes loaded with. wtf? shit like that on kazaa or the internet is avoidable, but isnt the freenet concept that you serve bits and pieces of the network? i do not want to see this shit, and i definitely do not want to be serving it. freenet doesnt even seem to be very anonymous. the launch page seems to list the full ips that you are connected to?
     
  2. mr.jip

    mr.jip correct boywonder!

    the idea of freenet is to have uncensored infomation and yes, child porn is a by-product of this idea. So what it has child porn, just dont fukin look at it if it repulses you.
     
  3. Rickio

    Rickio Member

    I don't think the just don't look idea is enough. People just don't like to be part of a enabling process. I think that is a big problem with Freenet, your enabling child pornography by being part of the network.


    peace
     
  4. rainbowdemon

    rainbowdemon the zp police Established Member

    I think that the point is,not only is child porn repulsive, it is also illegal. Criminaly so. And I can't speak for anyone but myself, I not only don't want to see it, but I don't wany my computer to be involved in the disribution of it. That being the case, I guess I'll have to pass on Freenet!
     
  5. eivioolla

    eivioolla Member

    Of course you are connected to other users. The ingenious idea is that there is no way to determine whether the IPs you see are the original source of the data, or are they simply proxying it from some other nodes. Just look closely in the papers at their site if you want to understand the principle.
     
  6. zab

    zab Member

    as long as you don't click on it, you're not helping spread it. The more people ignore it, the faster it will fall off freenet and dissapear.

    That's the beauty of freenet - if you don't like something, ignore it and it goes away
     
  7. BlueLieu

    BlueLieu Member

    From my understanding of FreeNet (never used it, read abot it though) you participate as a node on the network passing requests back and forth (possible files) that others request. So participating on FreeNet would mean you help facilitate these requests. Though this guilt by association would be a precursor to using any P2P.

    Anyway....Here's what the FreeNet FAQ's say about this subject:

     
  8. Induna

    Induna Vote John Kerry!

    I supposed it's not unexpected that paedophiles should want anonymity, a safe haven, just as much as file-traders.

    They're just trying to protect themselves, just like file-traders.

    I hope that's where the similarity ends. Excluding CCSDUDE of course.
     
  9. zab

    zab Member

    I love it when people quote back to me things that I've written ;-)

    but yes, you have to decide for yourself where you stand on that issue before running freenet.
     
  10. Lucian

    Lucian Member

    Freenet is just for Warez and Childporn

    I mean we all know thats all the internet is good for right? Warez and Childporn right?

    Seriously Freenet is whatever the people want it to be, if most of the users want it to be a child porn internet, thats what it will be, Freenet is just like how the internet was before it went corperate.

    There was child porn on the internet once upon a time, was that all that was on the internet? No.

    There were many LEGIT sites on the internet which are censored from the net now, due to the DMCA and other laws. Example? Do any of you remember all the hacking/phreaking sites, the whole hacking culture, all the cracking sites and computer related sites which are now "illegal" because hackers are considered cyber terrorists?

    These things werent bad because these hackers would tell the world about exploits and bugs in the system, allowing us to defend against them, now its illegal, yes thats right if I know an exploit which hacks Microsoft Windows its ILLEGAL for me to post it on this site. IF I know hacking knowledge its illegal for me to share it.

    This is just one example, there also were a ton of anti government sites, and bomb making survivalist sites, these sites are gone due to the anti terrorism laws. These sites and tools are treated like fuel for terrorists (although they still kept all the hate sites on the net and wont censor those)

    So yeah, basically the whole culture of the net was destroyed by corperations, and the governments laws. Freenet will bring culture back to the net and thats a VERY good thing.


    Yes there will be kiddie porn on Freenet, but until maybe 1999, you could find kiddie porn websites on the regular internet. During this time I dont remember seeing kiddie porn all the time, only the people who looked for it found it then, and Freenet will be the same way, if people who use Freenet arent looking for kiddie porn, kiddie porn will cease being popular and will be dropped from Freenet.
     
  11. Induna

    Induna Vote John Kerry!

    That's right. The internet we know today is not nothing like the internet in say 1995. It's become much more santised, controlled and monitored. Freenet heralds back to an earlier internet era, warts 'n all.
     
  12. Shaddix

    Shaddix Member

    ok, i was unsure about that part. but the problem still persists that if you go to any page that links to it, you will be serving that linking page, which is still facilitation enough.

    you all saw the attention pre-release movies on bittorrent drew, what do you think will happen with this? it is not 1995. this is considered a serious crime.

    so all it takes is an open mind? is that going to change how governments view it? whatever, i know i dont have to use freenet, but i fail to see how this adds any relevance to the situation. it is there, and it two clicks away in your default bookmark directory. my prediction: a severe gov't crackdown or freenet/encryption is outlawed. the fbi will not stand idley by. freenet is not unstoppable.
     
  13. mojo-ris-in

    mojo-ris-in Cheers Established Member

    While I believe in the concept of free speech, I draw the line when the exploitation of children is involved. Child porn will never be acceptible to me nor would I knowingly want to distribute it.
     
  14. Induna

    Induna Vote John Kerry!

    So it's OK to use FreeNet to infringe on copyrights but not OK to view child porn? seems like a double standard there. FreeNet isn't some sort of select club, anybody can use it for whatever reason they have.

    It seems ridiculous to point the finger at one group and say what they are doing is illegal whilst at the same time your particpating in illegal activities yourself.
     
  15. The Hunter

    The Hunter Janitor

    Double standard my ass, in the making of kiddie porn children are being exploited, and in many cases abused. So dont come off with that shit here. I would gladly neuter anyone involved in the exploitation of children.
     
  16. Lucian

    Lucian Member

    http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/business/6383561.htm

    See? Censorship.

    This is why we need Freenet.


    As far as what people do with it, I'm not going to judge what a person does with Freenet. You can view whatever you want, however in my opinion its morally wrong to produce kiddie porn.

    The distribution model has nothing to do with production, the producers are like the drug dealers, and the people who view it are the drug addicts.

    The drug dealers or kiddie porn producers I hope they are tracked down. but if something is already released to Freenet, or the Internet, I do not believe the offline laws can apply to the internet.

    The nature of the net is not really something where it makes sense to even attempt to apply offline laws. So really theres not much we can do, something like Freenet however doesnt encourage kiddie porn production because the kiddie porn producing people cannot profit off putting the stuff on Freenet.

    Thats not to say it wont be there, but you canont say Freenet actually encourages kiddie porns creation so theres no moral arguement to say Freenet is evil.

    The internet actually does more to encourage kiddie porn creation than Freenet and I dont see any one of you boycotting the net, you all pay your ISP even if it supports the local child molestors website.

    Theres just not much we can do, Freedom comes with a price, just like if you want to allow us to have the right to carry a gun this comes with a price. You can try to restrict guns but then we cant defend ourselves.
     
  17. Muffin_Man

    Muffin_Man Member

    the problem is, you cant limit child porn on freenet without having control over other aspects, such as music, warez, and perfectly legitimate information. that said, if someone DOES control freenet, that defeats its purpose, since the whole point is unobstructed, uncencored communication. so, people have a choice; they can simply not use freenet, and continue with other, more conventional file sharing apps, or they can accept the bad with the good.
     
  18. Shaddix

    Shaddix Member

    should i love murder then too? it is a moral issue.
     
  19. Ken17625

    Ken17625 Your best nightmare.

    That is the worst comparison i've ever seen.


    In the human mind (not counting sick pedo fuckwads), there is no comparison between Piracy and the sexual exploitation/abuse of children.

    Unless you're viewing things from a completely emotionless perspective in which you observe that they are both illegal.

    It matter not..........

    Like Hunter, I wouldn't hesitate to neuter a pedo either.
     
  20. zab

    zab Member

    If out of 10 people only 1 clicks on it, you can consider the page dead and gone in less than 24 hrs.

    And if more than 1 clicks on it, that means there are too many psychos and sickos in the wild, and you should be more concerned about catching them than about freenet.
     
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