CCSDUDE...You are so wrong in this statement. But its okay, I'll just take the time and teach you something. The ISP's HATE P2P users. Understand how you ISP works first, think about what I've written, and then answer. Your ISP has bandwith that they pay big money for. You ISP is a re-seller of a reseller cause in most cases, he nor the company selling your ISP the bandwith doesnt purchase direct from UUNET, SEABONE, etc., who are the real processors and allocators of bandwith. Your ISP receives the bandwith via their own private servers and routers. Your ISP makes his money by allocating his bandwith to his own subscribing users according to a statistical formula. Say for every 256k, your ISP docs 15 users - or whatever the ratio number is. There are no laws about the statistical formulas they use and believe me - ALL ISP's do this. Check around before you answer. Not all users are using their 256 upload on their DSL account. Not all users are using their whatever number download allocation at all times- in most cases its not symetric rather the upload and download are different. This affords the ISP's to oversale their bandwith according to whatever statistical formula they desire. Obviously they want to be competitive, so they fuck the numbers up and down. Its like how every now and then Marlboro adds extra nictotine to their cigarettes and when people buy and smoke them, they build a higher tolerance than what they are used to. Then Marlboro lowers the nicotine level and people smoke and buy more cigarettes because they require more nicotine. Obviously Marlboro doesnt admit to this, and they dont publish the nicotine level changes on the pack of cigarettes, but they do it. As for the ISP's. what happens is they dont expect all of their paying users to be logged in online all at the same time and even if everybody is online all at the same time, they dont expect everybody to be downloading/uploading all at the same time. If you are an ISP and have a mega byte and have allocated this megabyte on a statistical formula for 50 people, and all 50 people are logged in at the same time and are P2P downloading, what is the average rate they are getting on the download? But then some get more bandwith than others, so the math isnt split across, rather its a bit more difficult and the ratios grow farther apart. In most cases, the ISP's have the "first come first HOG" rule. The person who began downloading first gets privledge. Many ISP's today have even statistics for that scenario to spread the bandwith across. The ideal user for an ISP is a subscriber that logs in and only surfs the web to download static pages. Static pages require almost no bandwith to download. The ISP's tend to blame the providers of the local loop as well. They say the phone company is fucking you with your local loop rate (connection between your home and the telephone box), but just know that the telephone company has a statistical system of their own and they actually do fuck with you to. So when CCSDUDE is downloading using P2P on a multi threaded program like Kazaa, he is HOGGING the bandwith, and naturally your ISP hates you cause you fuck with their statistical system causing other users of the ISP to not be able to get what they paid for. The ISP's love the users who login in, check and send email, read the static CNN news page (their not hogging any bandwith cause the page takes nothing to download onto your screen), etc. The ISP's hate SPAM emailers cause they fuck with their servers and waist bandwith. Big time spammers cause mass flooding and the ISP providers receive alot of DOS ATTACK type return ping type floods from email that never arrived at its destination and was sent back to the originating servers. ISP's today arent making any money off of the bandwith. Those days are dead. Today, the ISP's give 'value added services' to make their money, and even then just look in the newspaper and you will see that ISP's are ALL losing money. Most are going bankrupt. Dont think for a minute your ISP wouldnt sell you out to the RIAA. They pray and wish for the day that the lawmakers will make P2P illegal. ISP's block and cap on a normal basis known port numbers of P2P programs. All ISP's will soon be using firewalls and special software to identify and block P2P programs. They are dying to do this. They do it now statistically to save bandwith. Your ISP is in the bandwith business. He doesnt give a shit about you, he cares about saving bandwith and overselling it to as many people as possible. I'll even go further to say something. There is a program out there that is streaming sex for free. We all know who it is so I wont bother mentioning the name. Do you think your ISP is in love with this paying customer who is jacking off to the internet sex stream for hours while hogging bandwith? The internet has not and will not die because of the dirty methods used by the ISP's. The ISP's will only continue to use the dirty methods given that people will always use internet. I'd love to debate this subject with anybody who thinks that the ISP's love P2P users!