The GREAT new bearshare features!

[Morgwen]

Read this thread and make your own opinion about it:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=13132

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

After you read that then please read this.

BTW only a small number of people in gnutella are outraged if you want to even say that and thats because they dont understand how the network can currently be exploited, and they dont realize the need to protect the network from such exploits. Its especially pathetic in how a few people would want to use this to their own personal gains to benifit their own personal vendettas...

Sure its easy to say there should be a way to allow access to all but malicious users but actually doing it is a whole different story.

[Ken17625]

I don't trust Vinnie. I really don't care for Bearshare either. Thanks but no thanks.

Be Afraid.

But for now, imagine an Iguana being here.

[riderx]

i think limewire pro is good.

[Morgwen]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sephiroth
[B]After you read that then please read this.

And when you have finished it, please read what other developers think about it:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/8323

I read something like blocking bearshare etc. I wonder why?

Seph this RIAA story is a joke, the RIAA needs only to download bearsahre and the security is gone... I read much better ideas in the GDF. And if Vinnie would discuss such actions before adding them they wouldn´t piss off other users and developers.

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Right the RIAA is a joke so is the gnutella network spam, and automatic isp notifitication too? The GDF is not a central development body and if im not mistake the F stands for Forum which is what the GDF is its a forum not a central standards body and if it tried to be one without being rebuilt from the ground up to be one then it will not be successfull..

Since gnutella is a open network even if someone notified the GDF beforehand nothing could really stop them from adding whatever to their program anyways even if the GDF doesnt like it.

Also i doubt that one post could sum up the entire gdf impression of this. Why not give people the main url for the messages instead of just the ones that help your arguement..

You cant deny one thing and thats the addition of secure channels has sparked alot of discussion about security on gnutella and how to protect the network from malicious users which a couple of weeks ago wouldnt have been the case..

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Right the RIAA is a joke

I said the RIAA "story", Vinnie said he wants to protect his users from the RIAA and other "hostile" companies, yes he BLOCKS ALL non bearshare traffic and sell this as protection... yes and the user should think the RIAA is stupid and cannot download a bearshare client to get the infos... NICE security.

The GDF is not a central development body

No but if you want to stay compatible you should discuss such features with them, if not you shouldn´t wonder if they start blocking bearshare...

Why not give people the main url for the messages instead of just the ones that help your arguement

I just pointed to the first thread the people are not stupid and see there are several replies but I don´t know which comments do you mean which defend Vinnies position, expect his own of course...

You cant deny one thing and thats the addition of secure channels has sparked alot of discussion about security on gnutella

Yes and I read MUCH better ideas in the GDF.

Ok now we think about this secure channels thing, tell me why should other users waste their bandwidth for bearshare clients which don´t up- or download from a non-bearshare node? So why should they connect to a bearshare node tell me? One of the developers in the GDF said, if Vinnie think Gnutella isn´t secure enough and he don´t think about a general security solution he should leave and build his own net - I have to agree!

I don´t want to discuss with you if security is necessary or not, of course it is, but Vinnie is moving again in the wrong direction, if he proceeds this way I see the split coming - do you remember I said something like this several months ago and I said only future will tell us who is right... so I will wait some weeks now and see what happens!

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

You read much better ideas but you never go beyond that and then you just go into the same repetitive statements that moak or "anonymous" posted last week here about secure channels which in itself just shows how much you dont know about it.

They have some great ideas about time travel too. But explain to me what good is lock if everyone has a key?

You want to know why you see the split coming its because you and others like moak are trying to cause one by mudslinging, heresay, half-truths, exaggeration, propoganda and various other methods for many months now.

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by Morgwen
Seph this RIAA story is a joke, the RIAA needs only to download bearsahre and the security is gone

Thats not true, the problem is these people are running their own clients that gather massive lists of ips and automatically send notices to isp, if they use bearshare this is not possible, yes they can manually write down all the ips that but that is way to time consuming and not worth the effort.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
But explain to me what good is lock if everyone has a key?

Before you complain here, read the posts in the GDF and tell me something about your key, you don´t know the ideas but you know they are bad...

You read much better ideas but you never go beyond that and then you just go into the same repetitive statements that moak or "anonymous" posted last week here about secure channels which in itself just shows how much you dont know about it

You honour me, the same statements as Moak... WOW man I must be good,because Moak is a big looser he don´t know anything about coding, he is ONLY a professional coder and SECURITY EXPERT... Seph what is your Job? Repeating Vinnies words?

And the other developers, they are so SILLY the only guy who understands how Gnutella works is Vincent Falco...

You want to know why you see the split coming its because you and others like moak are trying to cause one by mudslinging

Seph, bearshare is clustering so it connects mainly to bearshare nodes... and with this secure channel feature you can only up- and download from other bearshare nodes...

SO the only thing that is left are a few (possible) connetions to non bearshare nodes... hmm... yes bearshare is STILL able to connect to the Gnutella net, that why you call IT GNUTELLA client but many other people call it the start of the split... do you know why because the other devloper see no need to support bearshare nodes which don´t allow up- and downloads so they will start to block bearshare, I read already such posts in the GDF...

But you can still complain that Moak and me are bad guys and speaking shit, but we said some months ago that Vinnie is preparing the split and I see its takes only a "SMALL" final step...

did you forgot that Vinnie is dreaming for over 15 months now from an own net?

And you shouldn´t tell me something about propaganda Mr. VIP bear... I start to think that you are paid...

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Wheelz_Off
Thats not true, the problem is these people are running their own clients that gather massive lists of ips and automatically send notices to isp, if they use bearshare this is not possible, yes they can manually write down all the ips that but that is way to time consuming and not worth the effort.

As I said the RIAA guys are stupid and they will not find a solution for this...

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Morgwen

You honour me, the same statements as Moak... WOW man I must be good,because Moak is a big looser he don´t know anything about coding, he is ONLY a professional coder and SECURITY EXPERT... Seph what is your Job? Repeating Vinnies words?

SO the only thing that is left are a few (possible) connetions to non bearshare nodes... hmm... yes bearshare is STILL able to connect to the Gnutella net, that why you call IT GNUTELLA client but many other people call it the start of the split... do you know why because the other devloper see no need to support bearshare nodes which don´t allow up- and downloads so they will start to block bearshare, I read already such posts in the GDF...
Morgwen

My comment is valid how can you have a security feature that blocks out malicious users without allowing them access? As for the irony and hypocracy of that comment ill let you think about it...

Moak a programmer and "security expert".. Does that make you the Programmer and "security expert" assistant? Can i play this game too. Im going to call myself Head of Special Secert Operations of Some Sort..

Do all real programmers and security experts post under anonymous or guest names like moak?

BTW im a college student..

So the fact that both you and moak have supported things like OpenP2Pnet which is the idea of splitting gnutella from the open source and closed source programs, and the fact that for many months at every opportunity you and moak have called for bearshare and other programs at times to leave the network and have stated that you and i have no doubt moak too have personally does not like bearshare or vinnie does nothing to instigate a split?

If im the one being unappropiate then why do you have to post threads like this, why does moak have to hide behind guest/anonymous names, and why doesnt it seem that very few people take either of you seriously..

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
So the fact that both you and moak have supported things like OpenP2Pnet which is the idea of splitting gnutella from the open source and closed source programs,

Why are you lying Seph? I have NEVER supported this net, I said I AM AGAINST A SPLIT, get your facts right and don´t post such crap.

and the fact that for many months at every opportunity you and moak have called for bearshare and other programs at times to leave the network

More lies, we said if bearshare (Vinnie) wants to act like he wants he should create his own net, if not he should respect some rules... next time post some links that proove your LIES... if possible. A yes and did you forgot that Vinnie is speaking for 15 months about an own net? Did you forgot that he mentioned it some times in the GDF? Did you forgot that he started recently to post such ideas on the boards?

Moak a programmer and "security expert".. Does that make you the Programmer and "security expert" assistant?

YOU started this game, YOU said that I am posting the same arguements as Moak. I asked several coders for their opinion and read the statements of them so I think I can sure build my opinion.

Do all real programmers and security experts post under anonymous or guest names like moak?

Not all but many, on gnutellaforums there were a lot of them before we closed this forum for the public...

and why doesnt it seem that very few people take either of you seriously..

He? I think more people take us serious than you, you are the bearshare VIP not me or Moak, read the replies count them together and say who get more response, I don´t count bearshare.net only NEUTRAL sides.

the only people that don´t take us serious are Vinnie and some other VIPs, btw Wheels-off is also a bearshare VIP so OF COURSE neutral too...

I see as usual when you are out of arguements you try to badmouth me, Seph if you want that people take you serious and if you don´t want that people reply with personal remarks stop your personal accusations... grow up!

Morgwen

[Carpe Diem]

p2p programs are fruitful, as many come as many goes, i think that people will choose what fits there needs. i really like this program called shareaza. it seems to be a good client. i would recommend winmx, too, and kazaalite. its up to a user to use what they like.

[backmann]

Originally posted by Morgwen
I read something like blocking bearshare etc. I wonder why?

I honestly don't like it. I think that it's not Bearshare users' fault if somebody includes features you don't like. Besides, it would split even more the network.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"