Will Leechamer Really change habits?

**snarkridden** · March 27th, 2003, 05:05 PM

http://www.smartgamez.org/ gives access to LEECHAMMER
for WinMx 3.31...

If this utility, and others like it catch on, will they change the face of file sharing as we know it (the BAD face that is)

Zero files shared No Excuses accepted : NO DOWNLOADS

Being Greedy, requesting 10-20 files in one session, files requested cut to set limits:

Do this more than a few times: HAMMERED which means you are IGNORED for good, or at least until 512 Others get ignored and the WinMx Ignore list rolls round.

Those are the main Anti-Leech / Anti-Hog features

But don't think it stops there: Manage your queues according to available bandwidth: Allow Generous users more slots, check out suspicious users with large shares that are running no uploads...

Leechammer has changed the sharing experience here for good, I can now leave WinMx On 24 hours, knowing that those getting files will be sharers, sharers that have NOT had to wait for hours behind Hogs & leeches..

Its a SAD fact though that the number of NON-sharers still matches or exceeds the average files/per sharer figure of around 500 files.. Thats on the WNP network, on the larger Opennap networks the Non-sharers are at about 60% of the average, in the Stats graphs.

Snark..

**Sephiroth** · March 27th, 2003, 05:53 PM

The problems of winmx is really problems with how features of winmx like queueing and etc were implemented.. They dont work and dracoian add ons with only a very very small number of people use wont make that much a difference because it doesnt fix bad design which even if it was fixed it would take months to phase in..

They dont help in downloading "rare" files which arent really rare.. Rare in the P2P sense is really popular files where demand for the files outpace supply for a variety of reasons like its not propogated enough, not enough avaible sources at that moment, and demand all influence that.

"anti-leech" features just dont work. some people still mistakenly believe that they do but they ultimately dont.. Because ultimately they are all based off a single user defining how much sharing is enough, how long users should stay on and in the case of this program force things like how many uploads you have going on the same people who have no control over it because they cant force others to get files.

**Bmonk** · March 28th, 2003, 11:45 AM

i believe there's some tool(made by japs) that u will automatically initiate transfering the queue in ur share if ur downloading from the same person. also there's a modified version of WinMX.exe out there that allows u to set zero upload slots.

if u guys r so worried bout leechers those 2 r must-haves.

**nip** · March 29th, 2003, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Bmonk
also there's a modified version of WinMX.exe out there that allows u to set zero upload slots.

if u guys r so worried bout leechers those 2 r must-haves.

Your post (and your english) makes no sense. Why should somebody that is worried about leechers install a zero-upload hack if this is the problem with WinMX? He's making a leecher out of himself.

**grab_grab_the_haddock** · March 29th, 2003, 04:03 AM

i dont think anti leecing tools really work, they just breed a smarter kind of leecher.

gonna cut me off cos im sharing zero files?
Fine - ill put a couple of crappy pics of my grandma in my shared folder.

gonna cut me off cos im sharing less than 20 files?
No problem - ill throw a bunch of shitty text files in there.

and so it goes on. The leechers still get their files, and the people who really suffer are the newbies who come to p2p expecting a welcoming environment where they can learn to download and share, and end up getting zapped by some geek playing god with his file queue.

**Mel_Smiley** · March 29th, 2003, 04:21 AM

I strongly disagree, If you come to sit at my table you better bring more than an empty plate.

P.S. at my pc I am god

**grab_grab_the_haddock** · March 29th, 2003, 06:55 AM

what? you make your dinner guests bring their own food? bloody miser.

**Evil_Dweller_01** · March 29th, 2003, 07:01 AM

LOL

I think LeecHammer is helping winmx extremely as it is teaching those god-damned leeches that sharing is the only way to get your files. Thus, either the leeches on winmx move over to kazaa or they start sharing. IT FORCES them to make one of the two decisions... heh

**Lamourlady** · March 29th, 2003, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Bmonk
i believe there's some tool(made by japs) that u will automatically initiate transfering the queue in ur share if ur downloading from the same person. also there's a modified version of WinMX.exe out there that allows u to set zero upload slots.

if u guys r so worried bout leechers those 2 r must-haves.

wtf is this????
the hack u r talking about, setting ur queue to 0, is recognized by LeecHammer and so while u r friggin' "leech-free".......u too, will be hammered.

this is a lousy excuse to become the very thing u complain about.

as for whether these apps do any good in the long run......well, who cares, it takes care of the short-term.
just put the settings at the minimum and the newbies get what they want and the zero file users get hammered.
atleast until something better comes our way.
the reality is...is that there will always be greedy basturds.
for the most part, the p2p user is a generous, gentle, bright,shiny, star....i love them all.....;)

**Tic3** · March 29th, 2003, 07:35 AM

Who gives a rat's @ss?

If you don't want someone "leeching" off you, well it's your computer...your choice. Do whatever you want.

There are PLENTY of people out there who really don't give a rat's @ss whether someone is "leeching" or not.

There are too many people don't know the difference between "sharing" and "trading". The do NOT mean the same thing.

SHARE: usually implies that one as the original holder grants to another the partial use, enjoyment, or possession of a thing (shared my toys with the others) - Webster

TRADE: to give in exchange for another commodity - Webster.

If you want to SHARE, then don't worry about what other people are doing or not doing.

If you want to TRADE, find another way to do it 'cause this ain't "file trading", it's "file sharing".

Tic3

I'll climb down off my soap box now

**Mel_Smiley** · March 29th, 2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
what? you make your dinner guests bring their own food? bloody miser.

Well i am but a poor man trying to make it in this world alone. The ex left me with three cats to feed so any help with them will be much welcomed also

**eclectica** · March 30th, 2003, 12:02 AM

What's interesting about LeecHammer is that it's a program which was developed by someone with a passion for WinMX, and upset about the leeches, from what I can tell. It is heartening to see such energy in the p2p community, where no one gets paid for anything, and the passionate ones rise to the fore front.

I once read a study about what causes a desire in people to punish others. And contrary to popular notion, a person who wants to punish others and administer justice is not selfish, but rather is acting selflessly on the behalf of the community. It's easier to just let the leeches download from us than to take all these efforts to fight them, so clearly it is something noble which drives us to punish others.

I can see the contradiction of refusing to share with people who are leeches, how that makes one a leech himself. Yet in considering the realities of a network, in which bandwidth is a scarcity, then budgeting has to come into play. So the folks aren't greedy; they just choose to budget their bandwidth with more priority given to people who are sharing more files, than to leeches.

I wonder what effect the program has on the WinMX network itself, as it probably must be doing several automatic "whois" inquiries on all the people in the queues.

I don't think the LeecHammer program will cause fewer leeches, but I do think it will give them a harder time at being leeches. And it will give the people who share more ease. That's what I would call p2p justice.

For those of you who think it is best to do nothing rather than take active steps to combat leeches, consider this quote:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)