Where's the beef?

**alanshemper** · January 2nd, 2003, 12:15 PM

I just tried shareaza 1.7, and I was amazed when I got 900 results in under 30 seconds when searching audio for "pink floyd"...

So i select 50 files (sorted by best bandwidh), and I waited...
and waited..
and waited...

and after 3 hours.. I got half of the song "comfortably numb"

great interface tho... but I want more than to see the files.. I also want to download them too.

not impressed. just cant compare with kazaa lite

**Karizmatik** · January 2nd, 2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by alanshemper
I just tried shareaza 1.7, and I was amazed when I got 900 results in under 30 seconds when searching audio for "pink floyd"...

So i select 50 files (sorted by best bandwidh), and I waited...
and waited..
and waited...

and after 3 hours.. I got half of the song "comfortably numb"

great interface tho... but I want more than to see the files.. I also want to download them too.

not impressed. just cant compare with kazaa lite

IMO not 2 many P2P'z can compare 2 Kazaa Lite. I still use Overnet every once in a while but it can be VERY SLOW sumtimes. Anywayz, welcome 2 ZP yo.

**PhilT** · January 2nd, 2003, 02:51 PM

Each to his own, I'm happy with it..
Phil.

**Munchables** · January 2nd, 2003, 03:50 PM

That has pritty much been what I see of G2. it will get better when it goes open sorce and limwire ect. fuck with it. But it still will be gnutella.

K++ all the way

**alanshemper** · January 2nd, 2003, 03:56 PM

What determines the rankings in the top 5 apps on zeropaid? Why is this one #1, and klite #7?

and whats up with the title / artist / album search in shareaza?
it justs searches the file name, you might as well put it all in the one field

**Sephiroth** · January 2nd, 2003, 05:51 PM

Members vote on it.. I wouldnt take it seriously. Its been a common practice of morons to just vote one program all 5s and all the rest all 1s. or someone registering 20 names and doing that and etc..

**Anenga2** · January 8th, 2003, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by alanshemper
I just tried shareaza 1.7, and I was amazed when I got 900 results in under 30 seconds when searching audio for "pink floyd"...

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I'm not sure I get your point.

You shouldn't judge a P2P app by the quantity of results on general queries, such as artists names. Instead, search for something rare. For example "Pink Floyd Wish you Were Here Live" or something.

Shareaza searches the entire G2 Network, however, if you search for something General, and Hubs have other queries to route etc. it will stop your general query if a sufficent amount of hits have already been sent to you. So it isn't guaranteed that you'll get every hit on the network for something as general as "Pink Floyd".

Kazaa also shields it's Supernodes from general queries by only sending a portion of results, I think like 300 hits or something.

Regarding amount of files and users, Kazaa is better. But quality of P2P software, network technology, and everything else, Shareaza is obviously superior.

**Sephiroth** · January 8th, 2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Anenga2

Regarding amount of files and users, Kazaa is better. But quality of P2P software, network technology, and everything else, Shareaza is obviously superior.

No its not.. Fasttrack has been one of the most popular networks for a few years and have a mature protocol and has multi-vendor support plus commerical support..

Shareaza is all new, its buggy, problems could arise that could break compatibility, and the whole thing has sent shareaza's relation to other gnutella vendors to shit which before all this Shareaza and Mike were pretty well respected.

Marketing and shock value wears off.. Saying that its great isnt going to work forever if there is no way to back it up all the claims that shareaza is making..

The shareaza betas also search gnutella which is where most of the results people see come from.

**chipperrox** · January 8th, 2003, 09:54 PM

ditto to what sephiroth said. and even tho shareza has the POTENTial to be superior to fastracKAZAA, it isnt- for the time being, and probably until Kazaa is unplugged (if it ever is)

**Anenga2** · January 9th, 2003, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by Sephiroth
No its not.. Fasttrack has been one of the most popular networks for a few years and have a mature protocol and has multi-vendor support plus commerical support..

What's popular is not always right, or in this case higher quality.

FastTrack may have a sufficent network protocol, but it's not global. At least, not when I tested it with other people. We were unable to find eachother. FastTrack feels very fragmented, and Kazaa (the client) is not up to par with other contemporary clients. Shareaza is obviously superior.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Shareaza is all new, its buggy, problems could arise that could break compatibility, and the whole thing has sent shareaza's relation to other gnutella vendors to shit which before all this Shareaza and Mike were pretty well respected.

"Buggy"? "Could arise"? Well, I don't see any legitimate points from you concerning why Shareaza is not superior to Kazaa, or rather to any other P2P client. Only that you have little faith in it's success. Whether or not other Gnutella developers like Mike/Shareaza has no bearing on it's position in the P2P market.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Marketing and shock value wears off.. Saying that its great isnt going to work forever if there is no way to back it up all the claims that shareaza is making..

The evidence is in the client itself. Provide some logical legitimate points of why the client Shareaza is not up to par before you put it down.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
The shareaza betas also search gnutella which is where most of the results people see come from.

I beg to differ. Most of the files I obtain are mostly from G2 nodes, which are rare files. Besides, I already said Shareaza doesn't win in the most files/users. That isn't what makes a good P2P client/Network anyways.

**Anenga2** · January 9th, 2003, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by chipperrox
ditto to what sephiroth said. and even tho shareza has the POTENTial to be superior to fastracKAZAA, it isnt- for the time being, and probably until Kazaa is unplugged (if it ever is)

Fair point. Could you tell me why it's not superior? Without involving quantity of users or files.

**mojo-ris-in** · January 9th, 2003, 02:58 AM

:devil I don't usually get involved in these type of conversations because people will always say their favorite is better than sliced bread but let's face facts here. I could care less if a p2p app is G2 or Fastrack or whatever as long as it helps me accomplish my goal of downloading. Regardless of however many show up in a search, if I can't download them then the app is of no use to me. This is where my feelings lie on Shareaza. Until I can get the downloads I want when I want them, I will stick to Fastrack. This is not to say that the potential is not there, it's just not there now.

**NightsMaster** · January 9th, 2003, 03:33 AM

Up to certain point I was downloading every new incarnation of Shareaza 1.7 (I think .16 was the last). I will say it is the best looking program of all the p2p apps I have seen. But like Mojo-ris-in said, if you can't download from a program it's not serving it's purpose. Yes, I got some stuff from the program, but most files would not hit. I have to think about my upload bandwidth.
On a good day I have about 34 KB/s on upload bandwidth. I can't spread that out too thin between Kazaa ++ and another app, espesially if that other app does'nt work well for downloads. It's too bad because Shareaza does have potential.

**Anenga2** · January 9th, 2003, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by mojo-ris-in
:devil I don't usually get involved in these type of conversations because people will always say their favorite is better than sliced bread but let's face facts here. I could care less if a p2p app is G2 or Fastrack or whatever as long as it helps me accomplish my goal of downloading. Regardless of however many show up in a search, if I can't download them then the app is of no use to me. This is where my feelings lie on Shareaza. Until I can get the downloads I want when I want them, I will stick to Fastrack. This is not to say that the potential is not there, it's just not there now.

Yes, as I said, Shareaza cannot compete with FastTrack/Kazaa in terms of quantity of users or files. That's obvious.

However, your also saying that the GUI/quality of network/quality of the software has no bearing why you use it. Only that you can get the file you want as fast as possible. Shareaza/Gnutella2 is setup so that can happen (and it does), but what is Shareaza to do if users don't use it? From what you say, there should not be more than one P2P client out there. There should only be one, or rather there only can be one. Because if the users aren't there, the files aren't there, and ultimately the client is not there. Doesn't matter how good it is, if it doesn't have as much users, then nobody will use it. And that's quite dissapointing to hear.

**Anenga2** · January 9th, 2003, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by NightsMaster
Up to certain point I was downloading every new incarnation of Shareaza 1.7 (I think .16 was the last). I will say it is the best looking program of all the p2p apps I have seen. But like Mojo-ris-in said, if you can't download from a program it's not serving it's purpose. Yes, I got some stuff from the program, but most files would not hit. I have to think about my upload bandwidth.
On a good day I have about 34 KB/s on upload bandwidth. I can't spread that out too thin between Kazaa ++ and another app, espesially if that other app does'nt work well for downloads. It's too bad because Shareaza does have potential.

You can't expect too much from Shareaza. If your coming to Shareaza expecting to get files you have trouble getting on Kazaa or DirectConnect, you will obviously be dissapointed. Shareaza does have some good rare content (there are people who download from Sharereactor and share on Shareaza, and then there's that whole Uberstandard Full Albums group who releases full high quality albums on Shareaza), but lets face it (indeed)... your not going to get better results in terms of files in Shareaza. The same goes to BearShare (and every other Gnutella1 client), Ares, Piolet/Blubster and so on. They cannot compare to Kazaa in terms of users/files. And it is foolish to even judge them based on that factor (which is what nearly every ZeroPaid user does, unfortunately).

If you think about it, the only thing another P2P Developer can do is to make a better client than the the existing popular ones, then hope that users come and use it because it has better/more features etc. Or hope that they get shut down (like Napster, Morpheus, Audiogalaxy etc.) so that they can nab their user base. There are a lot of P2P apps that are probably more suited to users needs than Kazaa. Nothing major has happened in Kazaa in a long time. It works fine to get files, it could be better... yes, but why? There is no incentive for improvement.

Anyways, what I would recommend to you (and to everyone else) is choose the best P2P client (not based on users/files, but on software quality) and use that client. If there is a file you cannot find on it, then use other clients to get the file and move it over to your main client. This allows more files to get onto the client and network you like and your still able to get the files you want.