The Baloney Detection Kit

[Excrement_Cranium]

All hail, mighty skeptical science - apply liberally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j...ayer_embedded#

[RACKnRAIL]

Damn good video! A must see!! Two thumbs up!!

[El Comandante]

Ahh... religion and politics. Both promote fallacies of logic and wild unsupported rhetoric.. . . Scientific truth will never be universally embraced because people simply can't handle the truth. Everyone wants to hear what they believe is true . . . prophets and politicians are good at that.

[Signa]

I wasn't a fan of the "meaning of life" comment he had at the end. If anything, science kinda defeats that. Every person can come up with a different answer to that question, and science has no business trying to dictate that. If it did, you WILL have people fighting over the answer to the ultimate question, just like in Southpark's Go God, Go.

Just like religion, science will invoke disagreements with itself, and fighting will ensue. People LOVE to fight. The attractive thing about science is that none of the retards have embraced it, so it looks all awesome and mighty because only smart people are using it. Just wait until the retards that are associating with religion manage to move over to science. It will be bloody hell because no one will be able to agree on the definition of simple logic.

[mountain_rage]

The meaning of life is that there is no meaning to life, life is life itself. So go on living.

[Excrement_Cranium]

I wasn't a fan of the "meaning of life" comment he had at the end. If anything, science kinda defeats that. Every person can come up with a different answer to that question, and science has no business trying to dictate that. If it did, you WILL have people fighting over the answer to the ultimate question, just like in Southpark's Go God, Go.

Just like religion, science will invoke disagreements with itself, and fighting will ensue. People LOVE to fight. The attractive thing about science is that none of the retards have embraced it, so it looks all awesome and mighty because only smart people are using it. Just wait until the retards that are associating with religion manage to move over to science. It will be bloody hell because no one will be able to agree on the definition of simple logic.

I'll have a post on that here after I respond.

What you are talking about is addressed - personal bias. It's discussed shortly when he talks about Global Warming and the "left wing, right wing, and no wing" scientists. Bias is one of the first things you must address in scientific discussion.

Not to say that there isn't bias of consensus, I had a psych professor that is having a thesis held back do to bias of consensus - her field is animal behavioral psychology and the subject is on primates and language.

However, the "upside" to good science is fallibility. Protest all you want, but when your shit gets disproven, it's disproven.

[w31n3r]

i thought that was an excellent 14 minute lesson in common sense. every point they made seemed so logical, so obvious. yet i think if everyone were as rational, the world would be a dull and dry place to live in.

[mountain_rage]

Sadly this video is useless since the people that need the advice are not the ones likely to view it. Even if they do I find those that live in the fantasy of poor logic tend to have a world view that prevents them from thinking logically since its a threat to their thought process.

What is really needed is a class on logic and critical thinking in schools as a critical subject matter as important as math and science. Sadly I doubt we will be seeing this in the near future since as soon as its introduced you will have a bunch of pissed off parents wanting it to be removed from the curriculum since their children are calling them out on their ignorance.

[Signa]

Sadly this video is useless since the people that need the advice are not the ones likely to view it. Even if they do I find those that live in the fantasy of poor logic tend to have a world view that prevents them from thinking logically since its a threat to their thought process.

What is really needed is a class on logic and critical thinking in schools as a critical subject matter as important as math and science. Sadly I doubt we will be seeing this in the near future since as soon as its introduced you will have a bunch of pissed off parents wanting it to be removed from the curriculum since their children are calling them out on their ignorance.

I bet it could be pulled off as long as no real-world situations are used as examples. You could teach and have the kids memorize the 10 rules, and then make up hypothetical situations for kids to work on. Give them statements and then instruct them to research and find out for themselves whether or not it is true. Make fictional characters with back grounds and allegiances to say them. You could just have one person, or group of people make a curriculum to pass out to all the schools so that it's not up to the teachers to be creative (you know most aren't).

[don webb]

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IMO this is just more “Global Warming Baloney “

I like baloney “fried and in a grilled cheese sandwich” but this has to be the cheapest brand around.

The remarks in the beginning of the video that only data and errors slanting in the direction of skepticism over global warming are un-reliable insinuate that the data and errors slanting in the other direction are reliable. “The seed has been planted”

The seed having been planted the video continues, although going into different “subjects” throwing around quotes such as “current prevailing theory” it starts and ends with this global warming baloney hoping to convince the viewer through out the video this is fact.

Planting the thought in ones mind of global warming then going into this gibberish about other “scientific facts” on other subjects as if they are related may be very convincing if you’re a believer, they’re already hooked into this scam.

If he’s trying to convince say a skeptic, it’s a waste of good video and my 14 minutes.

In general the thought is good, but this video is pure propaganda from the global warming crowd.

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[grab_grab_the_haddock]

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IMO this is just more “Global Warming Baloney “

I like baloney “fried and in a grilled cheese sandwich” but this has to be the cheapest brand around.

The remarks in the beginning of the video that only data and errors slanting in the direction of skepticism over global warming are un-reliable
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That was not what was said. What Shermer said was that global warming skeptics always pick and choose data which slants towards their particular beliefs.

This is undeniably true. Global warming skeptics constantly snatch at any scrap of data which seems to support their pet belief (it was colder than usual in ungobungo today) while ignoring the mass of peer reviewed scientific data which supports AGW theory.

[mountain_rage]

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IMO this is just more “Global Warming Baloney “

I like baloney “fried and in a grilled cheese sandwich” but this has to be the cheapest brand around.

The remarks in the beginning of the video that only data and errors slanting in the direction of skepticism over global warming are un-reliable insinuate that the data and errors slanting in the other direction are reliable. “The seed has been planted”

The seed having been planted the video continues, although going into different “subjects” throwing around quotes such as “current prevailing theory” it starts and ends with this global warming baloney hoping to convince the viewer through out the video this is fact.

Planting the thought in ones mind of global warming then going into this gibberish about other “scientific facts” on other subjects as if they are related may be very convincing if you’re a believer, they’re already hooked into this scam.

If he’s trying to convince say a skeptic, it’s a waste of good video and my 14 minutes.

In general the thought is good, but this video is pure propaganda from the global warming crowd.

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Thanks, I will add you to my the list of people that corroborate my previous assertion.

[Signa]

Thanks, I will add you to my the list of people that corroborate my previous assertion.

Ohhh BUUUUUURN!!!

[don webb]

That was not what was said. What Shermer said was that global warming skeptics always pick and choose data which slants towards their particular beliefs.

This is undeniably true. Global warming skeptics constantly snatch at any scrap of data which seems to support their pet belief (it was colder than usual in ungobungo today) while ignoring the mass of peer reviewed scientific data which supports AGW theory.

Well excuuuuuuuuuuze me, but that "was" said at the 2:00 mark on the video, Point #1.

In a video titled “Baloney Detection Kit,”and the remark being made in Baloney Point #1 and being it runs almost 15 minutes long that’s close enough to call it the beginning for me if that is your complaint.

P.S. This was my opinion of the video, thanks for yours.:kiss:

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[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Well excuuuuuuuuuuze me, but that "was" said at the 2:00 mark on the video, Point #1.

In a video titled “Baloney Detection Kit,”and the remark being made in Baloney Point #1 and being it runs almost 15 minutes long that’s close enough to call it the beginning for me if that is your complaint.

P.S. This was my opinion of the video, thanks for yours.:kiss:

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You are entitled to an opinion on global warming, so long as it is an educated one, but you are not entitled to an opinion on the exact meaning of the words that come out of Michael Shermer's mouth, so to remove any doubt over who is mistaken I have provided the exact quotation of the remark you refer to at 2:00.

"Like the global warming skeptics for example, will often pick and choose data that always slants toward that particular belief, their errors always slant towards skepticism about global warming and that tells us something else is going on"

This is not the same thing as saying "that only data and errors slanting in the direction of skepticism over global warming are un-reliable" and it certainly isn't implying that errors slanting in the other direction are reliable (which isn't even a coherent statement)

Come on don, we know you are dumb but surely a basic comprehension of the English language is not beyond you.