Who cares about a newbie?
U know what,he might be right!!
Huh, a piece of crap.
F@$k U!!
Let's discuss...
I have not posted for a long time,and now when I returned to the forum,I see a raising War .So,I decided to post something.Before you read this,please follow the following steps-
1.gather all your patience(believe me,u will need that),for this is a long thread.
2.please read the whole thread completely and carefully.don't comment before u read the whole thread.
3.be carefull about "knowledge hazard",I am a newbie,and all I am saying are from my knowledge and my thoughts.
I am going to say a few Serious things in a light and odd way.If this bothers u,forgive me.And I AM NOT ANSWERING ANYONE'S QUESTION.(u know,the forum is not just for troubleshooting and inquiries) Here ,Kazaa means the FT network,and it doesn't include KLite(for KLite isn't even an indivisual program,it's just a hack and fully depends on kazaa).so,here we go...
In the past few days,a war is being seen in the forum.This can be pictured like this- G1 vs. G2 vs. KLite.Yes,KLite.They are arguing about a client which is just a hack,and COMPLETELY depends on an ad and spyware based program.If u dare,talk about the plain old Kazaa.
Now,the members are arguing of G1 and G2.One says G1 is worse than G2,and the other says that where is u'r proof?and Gnutella2 is illegal.Do u remember that Gnutella is an open network?No indivisual owns it. So, everybody has the right to modify it.Then they are arguing with the Gnutella2 name.I don't think if the new Gnutella network Was named CyberSource or so,it wouldn't increase or decrease the ability of the network,and thereby doesn't matter.You ask which one is better?G1 or G2?I would say they both are still losers compared to Kazaa.That is because Kazaa is more centralised than de-centralised.That means the 'servers' which are called SuperNodes(SN) are much more powerful than the Ultrapeers(UP) or Hubs G1 or G2 uses.Then comes the connection methods.The SNs are very powerful and stable servers which are directly conncted to each other,while the UP and hubs connects through the network.Like u r connected to David and Jeremy,who r connected to John,Roger.Marvin and Tina,and so along.When u connect to the FT network,the SuperNodes collect your hash links,and when some one requests a file from u,the SuperNodes connects him Directly to you.This direct and two-tier connection makes the FT network faster,while Gnetwork connects you through the UltraPeers and hubs.So,u'r performance increases or decreases with the performance of the UPs and hubs,thereby controlling your performance.
U see,the Gnetwork has been here too long without any great modification and development of the network.The people are trying to modify the clients rather than the network,which is getting old and thereby lagging behind.Now, G2 is an Extention of the old Gnutella network,not a modification.G2 adds a few new methods,and might fix some glitchs,but still uses the old Gnutella core. Gnutella has a very weak core,which needs some new developments.Kazaa is always modifying the network,for this is their way of income.But no Gnutella developer,say Bearshare, Limewire etc.seems to have any interest to advance the network.You may advance your software to a limit,but what happens next?The network must b upgraded to stay in the competetion.
What seems to b necessery (to me) is all the client developers ,say Shareaza,LimeWire,BearShare,Xolox etc working together and modifying and extending the network.And fighting between yourselves won't be of any good rather than bad to the network.I think G1,G2 and GUESS should be combined,and a few new modification of the network structure is very necessary this moment.Creating another indivisual network will not be of very use,so all Gnutella networks and indivisual technologies should be combined,creating a bigger and better Gnutella network. This is the only way ,it seems to me, Gnutella May survive. The arguing may keep the forum alive,and it is necessary,but it is not doing the network any good.So,spread the words.
Time for a conclusion.For those who are thinking I am a Kazaa user,I don't use Kazaa,nor KLite.I don't kno why,but I have included a poll.:fire And if you like it or hate it,please let me know by replying,not by PMing.U r welcome to express u'r feelings. The way u can help is by sharing u'r thought.:shy Byeee..
Always taking the down-side.
What the F-U-C-K can I do if u hate me??Well,u can go to hell...
And throw S-H-I-T and F-U-C-K the censorship (everywhere).
Dude I stopped reading your post half way through because it made no sense.. and the lack of paragraphing or indenting didn't help (just a clump of words and sentences).
Wtf are you talking about?? I see a poll about something totally unrelated to your post (which looks like a bunch of random thoughts).
Do you think you could edit that a bit (with the edit post button) so it is legible?
“Workingmen of Europe feel sure as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes.” - Karl Marx
yea!Originally posted by MoonMan
Dude I stopped reading your post half way through because it made no sense.. and the lack of paragraphing or indenting didn't help (just a clump of words and sentences).
Wtf are you talking about?? I see a poll about something totally unrelated to your post (which looks like a bunch of random thoughts).
Do you think you could edit that a bit (with the edit post button) so it is legible?
PLUS, to give you a shortened version, what he is trying to say is that Kazaa's SuperNode based networking versus the G1/G2 Networks are flawed.
While Kazaa always updates thier Networks and makes them better.
Programs like Shareaza, LimeWire, BearShare, Xolox etc. Are not, they instead upgrade the software instead of making the network faster, more reliable etc.
Please corect me if I'm wrong.......and do make your post more readible.
my response is.
what was the question please?
peace
I think he was just expressing his thoughts, don't think he wanted an answer the way he asked and phrased everything.
This threads gonna die.
I dont care about what is better centralized or decentralized, but i can tell you 1 thing: G2 is much faster than FT.
FT gives me results only of few SNs then i have to use extend to extend my search on other SNs, G2 hubs are AFAIK organzied by schemes (dunno, if it is true, but i read that somewhere), that means, if you are searching for audio files, first "audio hubs" are searched, then the others and so on.
The secound feature of G2 is its speed: i search 120 nodes in 30 seconds and if it is right (ive heard it somewhere) G2 is able to search 500 000 users / leaves in only 60 secods - record time.
The next thing: the opiness (or similar) of the G2: the release date of G2 specs is not specialized on a date, but it will be released as soon as raza final is out
Why? Because the protocol is currently in the development, too, if it has the bug and the specs are out, there is no way back.
The name G2: Gnutella 2 sounds interensting to all of the users. That means more users on the same protocol (and not on the same client, although there is only 1 client right now)
GloSearch - KaZaA was never able to find my friend on the other side of the FTNet - due its architecture - till now, i could find every source on the G2net
Next point: the war - many g1-developers want only money - same as in FT, as when G2-Raza began to "steal" their users, they were not able to make a comromise. Thats why the war began - the money.
Im for G2 and will stay for G2 and G2 is my light, so i stand for the light :}
Till now, G2 was able to achieve KaZaA's performance in fast searching, has a better ability for glosearching, Raza has TTH and part sharing (something what lacks in KaZaA/whole FT)
G2 is :wings Raza is :wings
show me an argument where KaZaA is better than G2.
Content - depends on the user base
And RAZAs user base is growing every day.
www.shareaza.com - the powersharing tool
Originally posted by DIMA2001
show me an argument where KaZaA is better than G2.
Content - depends on the user base
And RAZAs user base is growing every day.
even though i'm not too bright...but every time I log onto Kazaa it says 3,xxx,xxx users online.
Umm..does Shareaza have that many?
Uh...try KaZaa's 3 million users at any given time to the 500,000 you mention, and the fact that you can search those users quickly (quicker than 60secs, which btw isn't record time). The reason you weren't able to find your friend is probably because he was on another supernode. There's an easy way to download stuff from your friend over FT, and you don't even have to have KaZaa running to do it. Get your friend's IP and the filename you want from him. Go into IE an type http://YOURFRIEND'SIP:1214/FILENAME. Hit enter and you'll get a pop-up download dialog. Your friend just has to have KaZaa open and an open upload slot.Originally posted by DIMA2001
I dont care about what is better centralized or decentralized, but i can tell you 1 thing: G2 is much faster than FT.
FT gives me results only of few SNs then i have to use extend to extend my search on other SNs, G2 hubs are AFAIK organzied by schemes (dunno, if it is true, but i read that somewhere), that means, if you are searching for audio files, first "audio hubs" are searched, then the others and so on.
The secound feature of G2 is its speed: i search 120 nodes in 30 seconds and if it is right (ive heard it somewhere) G2 is able to search 500 000 users / leaves in only 60 secods - record time.
GloSearch - KaZaA was never able to find my friend on the other side of the FTNet - due its architecture - till now, i could find every source on the G2net
show me an argument where KaZaA is better than G2.
Content - depends on the user base
And RAZAs user base is growing every day.
maybe i'm being like f:crosscking Switzerlen or or somthing in this supposed war (no ofence intended to the Swiss)
but i use both Kazaa lite & Shareaza
get the best of both worlds
if you can't get it on one your sure enough going to find it on the other, but i can almost garentee it will be on Kazaa more users more files, plus it has what i call the 13y/o sister advantage, almost everyone knows about it and can use it. which means you have a chance of getting anything you want. (and it's god damn easy to use when you come home wasted and want to find that song that was playing all night at the club)
G2 is great as well but i have real problems connecting to the network somtimes no idea why ?...
I completely agree.Originally posted by Absolution
What seems to b necessery (to me) is all the client developers ,say Shareaza,LimeWire,BearShare,Xolox etc working together and modifying and extending the network.And fighting between yourselves won't be of any good rather than bad to the network.I think G1,G2 and GUESS should be combined,and a few new modification of the network structure is very necessary this moment.Creating another indivisual network will not be of very use,so all Gnutella networks and indivisual technologies should be combined,creating a bigger and better Gnutella network. This is the only way ,it seems to me, Gnutella May survive. The arguing may keep the forum alive,and it is necessary,but it is not doing the network any good.So,spread the words.
Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"
Freedom is the freedom to say two plus two equals four
If that is granted, all else follows
I read his poast just fine but that is me and we all know the horror of my posts. I think they should work togather and they problably will when g2 is fully relesed. However kazaalite especaly with klite++ is realy the best way to share. I have used shareaza and every update I download and chek it out I connect to at least 50 ppl (I am on a t3 so chill) make shure that they all have good internet connections and make a serch. The serches so far have been no ware neer what kaza lite has and with klite++ there is simply no contest. True not many people use G2 and once it goes public it might be realy good but I dought it will be better than Kazaa. I still think that eDonkey can and will be better than any gnutella.
I still use DC++ it is a nice prog and you should too.
"The more you know the less you know you know."
-My self
It happens
First,thank u «°¤§téålth§t®îk餰»,that is almost what I wanted to say.I just can't express my thoughts in a short manner.
Now,Dima2001,AFAIK,there is no indivisual "Audio hubs' in the G2 network.All the hubs have all sorts of users and files.U know,this is not DC or ED2K to have special audio servers(hubs).Then,u ask about an argument why Kazaa is better than G2.The first reason- Kazaa STILL has more than thrice the users in their network than the WHOLE Gnutella netwok has,and G2 has less users,for all the Gnutella users doesn't use Shareaza v.1.7,u know.The second cause,have u ever disconnected from FT after u connect?I think not.Then, in Kazaa,u connect to only one SN,where u have to connect to multiple UPs and hubs to use the whole Gnutella network.
U said about the fastness of search,but I think we spend more time downloading than searching.So,do u get the same speed from an indivisual user of G2 than a Kazaa user?I don't think so.It requires u to connect to 12 to 15 users of G2 to get the same speed u get from 8 sources of kazaa.Think of what will happen if kazaa lets u do the same thing.If u are able to connect to 12 kazaa users without sacrificing the bandwith,kazaa would suddenly outperform G2 then.That is,if that ever happens.i wish to post a new thread describing the necessity to upgrade Gnutella network.
I am sorry if I unknowingly hurt anyone's feelings.But what I am saying is the bitter truth. :(
Always taking the down-side.
What the F-U-C-K can I do if u hate me??Well,u can go to hell...
And throw S-H-I-T and F-U-C-K the censorship (everywhere).
You can't go around comparing one kind of network (DC, which is actually rather good) to a totally different structure (Gnutella2). My experience tells me that Gnutella2 is good for finding MP3s and documents off the top of your head, and DC is good for specific interests (anime OR foreign languages OR movies, etc., but not all of the above unless if you're running DC++ with stealth). People with different goals in mind will like or dislike a certain network structure.Originally posted by Munchables
I still use DC++ it is a nice prog and you should too.
Right I totaly agree that is why i use kl++ and if i can't get it on there I use dc but I would rather use dc than any gnutella client. Beucse like some one sayed kazaa hase 3 times as many peeps and I have a pholophsy:Originally posted by Ashitaka
You can't go around comparing one kind of network (DC, which is actually rather good) to a totally different structure (Gnutella2). My experience tells me that Gnutella2 is good for finding MP3s and documents off the top of your head, and DC is good for specific interests (anime OR foreign languages OR movies, etc., but not all of the above unless if you're running DC++ with stealth). People with different goals in mind will like or dislike a certain network structure.
it dosen't matter what you where, only what you are.
No wate umm no that is not it damn gotta make somthing up real quick umm:
it dosen't matter how you get it as long as you got it the best way. well somthing like that. if you can get it on dc better than gnutella (which you can) then use dc. Gnutella is useless and will always be second rate. (even though shareaza is number 1 on zp voting but you can get more files and faster with outer apps)
"The more you know the less you know you know."
-My self
It happens
Kazaa has centralized parts which is why its protocol is very secure in that there is little information about it and why they got sued, why they have complete control over it.
As for you saying that G1, G2, and GUESS should be combined.. To me it sounds like you dont know what they are.. GUESS is a extension to the current protocol and based on the talk on the GDF most developers are going to go with GUESS("raza" also) which replaced "G2" and so parts that were in "G2" might be included or adapted its unlikely that all of gnutella will just jump on over to another new protocol because the reason i believe was that its unneccessary and would take up too much time. The gnutella protocol is very adaptable. A whole new protocol doesnt need to be written when the old one can be adapted, and adjusted which in most cases backwards compatiblity is achieved.
My complaints about Gnutella2 was the whole reasoning of splitting the gnutella community and trying to elevate Shareaza above all the other programs under the mask of improving the network and by using the gnutella name to push shareaza protocol without any support from other developers.. To me it seems that shareaza is looking out for its own best interest and not what is best for the network.
That and Im tired of hearing the same excuses and explainations from a month ago being repeated and the immature insults.
Munchables the E-donkey/DC "HUB" system is still Server/Cilent.. Gnutella isnt structured like that. Edonkey and DC are dependant on those centralized "hubs" they are just distributed across many different machines. They are still very vurnable. Gnutella each person is a server and a cilent so every person makes up the network even now no one can take out gnutella as for Edonkey or DC i dont think that shutting down a few thousand servers would be that big a deal to the multi billion dollar companies. If the network and searches and etc can scale better then Gnutella will be a very strong network.
DC protocol is weak, and Edonkey runs off magnet links. Usenet is alot better than Edonkey and thats were almost all the files on shareactor comes from Usenet.
Havintg 50 connections is insane set it to 16 max anything above and your really just wasting bandwidth. If you want the best results then run as a ultrapeer and leave it running.
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