this has been discussed to death, but here you go again:
Vista is in the same place XP was when it first came out. Every one was bitching and moaning until SP1 came out. There were driver problems, program problems, and all sorts of other issues pre-SP1. Vista will be more 'up to par' once sp1 is released.
Of course this is only speculation, but if anything is definate, its that history repeats itself, and vista seems to be getting the same response and complaints that XP did when it arrived on the shelves.
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its funny though, i never had problems with starting out with XP; not even a *fraction* of the issues at all. at this point, MS needs to start thinking about quitting vista. its not impossible for them to pull something out of their ass, but its not looking good for vista one little bit.
In addition, Vista requires a shit load more memory to run properly.Originally Posted by Signa
...I know Vista running properly is an oxymoron.
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I think the best way to go is to buy a computer with no OS, then install XP, then Vista. That way you'd save money and have the option of a dual boot. If you install Vista first, it seems way tougher to then install XP and have the choice. btw Since I got a new computer, there haven't been any shell crashes like there were with the prehistoric PC.
Seems there may be hope. It took them long enough.
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...vista-sp1.aspx
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@ getting puter with no OS:
I've never seen the option to not have an OS when looking at puters. Maybe that's an option for corporations which buy in bulk and already have licenses. What companies offer this for home office customers?
Erm, about every time you build your own?
Most local computer shops?
And I'm quite sure if you requested, you could order w/o the OS installed (installation, but you still get your OS as part of your package) if, dude, you got a Dell.
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You can buy Dell PCs with linux now, they started doing that last fall.
Vista isn't that bad, to those who are complaining about slowness they should turn off the search indexer especially if you just upgraded because that is a huge drain on hard drive performance and unless you do alot of searching for files just isn't worth the performance hit.
Vista runs fine with 2GB of memory, 1GB is a little low, but they changed how memory is used so you really can't use task manger to judge how much free memory you have anymore.
Of course there has been some patches to Vista that has fixed alot of the issues that was happening when it was launched, and by the sound of things I don't think some people have gotten the updates.
XP had way more issues when it came out, especially with hardware support and drivers. Many people were talking about downgrading to Windows 98 and sticking with windows 98 forever.
I rode 98SE until SP2. My games still performed better under 98SE, but now I R adjusted to XP... O_o
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That still will not fix the DRM in Vista....nor will it make it a better OS, it will just fix the driver issues that some have had with Vista, maybe.
I will still stick with XP, I don't need a bloated OS.
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If you have a laptop tough luck!
Recently my motherboard fried after using 24/7 for over 5 years. So, I just purchased a new hdd (new WD 150gb 10,000rpm Raptor :icon_thum) & re-format it before doing a clean install of WinXP Pro. Took out the old hdd, then use it as ext. hdd after removing the OS. I did all this just to avoid the new Vista OS! But I'm happy, because WinXP Pro still the best for networking & stability in MHO. :)
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I know if you build you own there's no OS. I was merely referring to ordering it through a company.
Sorry the first Vista's SP has not been released the first 2007 Microsoft Office Suite Service Pack 1 (SP1) has been released. My installment date was 14/01/2008.
And still does not run smoothly. Everytime I open up an Excel file I get two app running, ones blank and the other with the open file.
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Software Tool Strips Windows Vista To Bare Bones
vLite is a free download that can cut the operating system's size by half or more.
By Paul McDougall
InformationWeek
January 28, 2008 09:31 AM
A free software tool that promises to strip down the Windows Vista operating system -- which even some Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) officials have called "bloated" -- to a minimalist state is attracting big interest on the Internet.
vLite, created by developer Dino Nuhagic, automatically removes a number of non-essential Windows Vista components in order to pare the OS's heavy footprint by half or more.
vLite allows users to preselect numerous Vista features for automatic removal prior to installing the OS on their personal computers. Among them: Windows Media Player, Windows Photo Viewer, MSN Installer, Wallpapers, SlideShow, Windows Mail and other utilities.
"It's not just about hard disk space. There is also an increase in OS responsiveness and you don't have to tolerate all kinds of things you don't use," said Nuhagic, in an e-mail to InformationWeek explaining why he launched the project.
vLite, however, isn't for the technically timid. The software warns that the changes it imposes on Vista are "permanent, so be sure in your choice."
Nuhagic said he doesn't know exactly how many downloads vLite has seen -- but a forum that asks users to submit suggestions for the next version has drawn almost 50,000 views.
The emergence of tools like vLite reflect the frustrations voiced by many computer users over Vista's bulk and resource requirements.
Loaded with an abundance of features and tools designed to ease navigation and bolster security, the Home Premium and Ultimate editions of Vista both require a whopping 15 GBs of available disk space for installation. By contrast, Windows XP -- Vista's predecessor -- requires 1.5 GB of available space for installation of the Professional version.
With Vista bearing a footprint 10 times larger than XP's, even Microsoft officials are expressing concerns about Windows' growing waistline. Speaking last year at the University of Illinois, Microsoft distinguished engineer Eric Traut said the operating system had become bloated.
"A lot of people think of Windows as this large, bloated operating system. That may be a fair characterization," said Traut.
In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new, modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's expected to be available some time in 2010.
The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of the OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next programming effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it smaller than Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.
Until it's ready, there's always programs like vLite.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205920302
Microsoft Wants Smaller Software Footprints Starting With Windows 7
Microsoft will use a bare-bones version of the Windows kernel, called MinWin, as the starting point for the development of future products, including Windows 7 and Windows Server.
By Paul McDougall
InformationWeek
October 19, 2007 10:52 AM
Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) apparently is putting its Windowsoperating system on a diet.
Acknowledging criticisms that the Windows operating system
"We're starting on this path," said Microsoft distinguished engineer Eric Traut, during a presentation at a college campus.
"A lot of people think of Windows as this large, bloated operating system. That's maybe a fair characterization," said Traut, who was speaking last week at the University of Illinois. A video of his presentation appeared Friday on the blog IstartedSomething.com.
With an eye toward offering slimmer products, Microsoft will use a bare-bones version of the Windows kernel, called MinWin, as the starting point for the development of future products, including Windows 7 and Windows Server.
Microsoft programmers will use MinWin as a base for development and then layer on only what's needed for particular Windows versions. "There's a really nice little core inside Windows," said Traut.
In adopting a more modular approach to Windows development, Microsoft may be bowing to criticism that current, one-size-fits-all versions of the OS are overstuffed for many user requirements. To prove his point, Traut demonstrated a version of MinWin built on 25 Mbytes of data, compared to Windows Vista's 4-Gbyte footprint.
"We've taken a shot at stripping out all the layers above and making sure we have a clean architectural layer," said Traut.
Microsoft has no plans to "productize" MinWin, but will use it as the basis for future OS development. "We're definitely going to be using this in a lot of the products we build," said Traut.
Microsoft may be hoping that the Windows-on-Weight Watchers approach will help it fend off competition from Linux and Web-based software -- non-Microsoft computing alternatives that impose less demanding hardware requirements on end users.
Despite the fact that Windows Vista launched earlier this year amid considerable hype, many consumers and businesses have shied away from the OS, citing cost and compatibility concerns, in addition to Vista's steep resource requirements.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=205920302
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Nice! If I am forced to use Vista way down the road it's nice to know there's options.
I installed Vista a few months ago, after receiving a free copy. I was surprised at how much resources it sucked up by default. I was also disappointed that my TV tuner card no longer functioned. Besides the obvious problems, it ran quite slowly, compared to XP. I was able to tolerate it for about a week or so.
vLite sounds like a promising alternative. thx for the post.
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