As a cruise some of the smaller sites for music since the death of Oink, I'm noticing a pickup in the selection and quality of rips available... so it brings about a question:
Was Oink going down a loss or a gain for the overall internet music community?
Sure, we all know that Oink was unparalleled in selection and rip quality, as well as speed. But part of what made it so is what turned some people off, or made them inactive or unable to get the most out of the selection.
While there is no problem with insisting on a high quality baseline, some of the early ratio enforcement left people seeding torrents for long periods of time due to a late grab and low activity.
This problem was only amplified when discographies were taken down (which was in some ways, a good move) and the amount of "ratio building" torrents took a hit.
Yeah, yeah... Oink was "the best," but it wasn't for everybody. A lot of people felt the elitest sting and lost accounts due to low ratio and/or activity.
The defense? Ratio enforcement ensures sharing!
No no... ratio enforcement ensures "I scratch your back, you scratch mine."
Whatever you thought of it, for now, Oink is gone, and its userbase is scrambling to find a new "home."
It seems that a good amount are spreading out to "lower tier, lower class" trackers... but as many of those people hit one tracker, pull a torrent, and post it on another tracker, it appears that the spirit behind Oink is going viral and a wider base is now able to appreciate the benefits of the standards set by that community.
What do you all think?
“The martyr sacrifices themselves entirely in vain. Or rather not in vain; for they make the selfish more selfish, the lazy more lazy, the narrow narrower.” - Florence Nightingale
Sharing is what P2P is all about, no matter where you do it, IMHO...Originally Posted by Excrement_Cranium
The most Beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
It is the source of all true art and science.
~ Albert E.
I liked Oink a lot, but I find I am much happier now using the other sites. The ratio problems there were the killer for me. I never wanted to download from there because it was hard to get the ratio back to 1 on older torrents and I always seemed to get in late on the older stuff. With sites like STMusic I find myself snatching more music because it's a little easier to keep your ratio up and more people seem to be downloading off of there. I had a ratio of 5 there for awhile without even really trying. Waffles is nice because it's new and all the torrents are "fresh", but I'm thinking in the long run they're going to have the same downside as oink.
I had a little problem with OiNK at first, but after 8 months (LOL), finally made it beyond a 2.0 (I sometimes still tear up, *sniff*...).
I am actually starting to think that STMusic will finally become, "The One."
It's not like they weren't free registration for almost a year.
I am still hesitant about What and Waffles, but see the same possible outcome you have described...
...and before anybody pisses EC (or me, LOL) off;
NO. I do NOT have invites to anything.
The most Beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
It is the source of all true art and science.
~ Albert E.
Oink was amazing, except the fact that I uploaded 25 gigs in 3 days, waited to become a power user, and when i got invites, I lost them because some reprobate here cheated with their ratio. Besides that experience, unbeatable all around. As long as your not a stingy, parsimonious, penurious scrooge, you will either leave your computer on to seed, or upload torrents. If you are to lazy or do not have the right resources to do it, leave the site, and go to thepiratebay... That may seem elitist but it is the truth, if you can not handle something leave instead of complaining, or even better yet, try to improve it.
Did you know that when you allow deer hunting, the deer produce a hormone that makes them reproduce more so efforts to create less deer actually create more?
This is a very vibrant time for music filesharing. The current trackers have no where near the selection of Oink, even cumulatively, but the speed at which they're growing is almost blinding. Even if they progressively lose considerable momentum, it still looks like cumulatively, they should hit Oinks torrentbase in less than 4 months.
On a personal level, At Oink, I sat for hours on end for month after month grabbing new files that I thought were going to help me build a good ratio, and, at the end of the day, I had a buffer of about 15 gb. In two weeks at What and Waffles, I have a combined buffer 20 times that.
i wish that i had that much bandwidth..
i really miss oink, i like how you could discover new artists through it, was a big plus in my opinion. cant really comment on how good waffles is or whatever cus i dont have an account there, but i dont see how it could be as good as oink was.
I got lucky with Oink when I joined the second time (IP conflicts first so I got banned - still don't know why) and I was recommended by the invitee to download a new 4GB file (believe it was a Software bundle) to get started and share (it had a lot of peers) and I ended up sharing 15GB+ of that file... so I could basically download anything I wanted and keep a good ratio - while still sharing of course, I donated to Oink so I sure as hell kept seeding, it made the site.
I haven't got much time for torrents (or downloading in general) lately and I miss the fact that if I wanted an album, I could head to Oink and get it in any format in a matter of minutes... just like I popped to the shop. Ah noooo, I just remembered that Oink had Photoshop and a tonne of great OS's and software... shit buuuuuzzzzz!
I got an ST account, not as easy to use as Oink but she's catching up with content.
Fuck that POS site, and all the rest while im at it.
Hard as ever and here to make you people believe...as long as there is one person to hold hope and dream...A GOD...will never die!
Yes, it's nice. Although sometimes I see people with much bigger pipes than my own and say the same thing.
My provider recently started offering symmetric 20/20 service, which, for ~$20 more is seriously tempting, but I really can't justify it. Yet :) I really like the idea of symmetric service, though. If I could do 10/10 for what I'm paying now (I've got 20/5), I'd jump at it.
One thing I liked about Oink that I don't see on other music trackers is the ability to see what else people who downloaded a certain torrent got. That was a cool way to see if I might like something.
Okay, this has been bugging me since yesterday... I understand that you probably have a higher upload bandwidth, but how are you getting the connections? I've left every torrent I've downloaded open for weeks to months depending on the size and it seems like I just get a pinch here and there.
On oink I found that uploading software and tutorials is the only reason I had any kind of buffer. But waffles doesn't offer that option (to my knowledge) and while my ratio there is okay (a 2) my buffer is only a couple of hundred megs and I've been seeding for some days.
Tips to upping my upload would be greatly appreciated. :)
yeah etos45, i have that same problem at a lot of music sites. basically what i do is get new releases of stuff even if i dont want them because a lot of times if i grab it early then i beat the rush and people grab more from me. that way i can get a lot of upping done on that.
try something like that out for yourself.
Pretty much it.
I don't grab anything I don't want entirely... I pick a genre I enjoy, browse the first 2 or 3 pages of ups, and grab anything I have never heard of.
It comes twofold, as a lot of other people are doing the same... trying to explore new music.
Getting a 7-1 ratio on a single file has been no problem.
“The martyr sacrifices themselves entirely in vain. Or rather not in vain; for they make the selfish more selfish, the lazy more lazy, the narrow narrower.” - Florence Nightingale
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