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I would like to get some help with my computer.


First Topic: WindowsME Shut Down


I have been having some problems recently with my WindowsME it dows not shutdown properly.

When i do a shut down Start>Shut Down>OK everything disappears except the background is still there and then after 10mins of waiting I just manual shut it down.

Also

Sometime everything disappears even the background is gone and a blank screen is left, then after 10mins of waiting I just manual shut it down.

I really wanna know what I should do, it's not the first time I have encountered something like this but the solution was to reformat. This time I don't want to reformat.

Any help will be appreciated!


Second Topic: Upgrading Motherboard/CPU


I thought it be nice to get some help on upgrading my computer since i really want to do it myself but *shamefully* i don't know how *sniff, sniff*

Can some one tell me what I should do where I should go? For getting an upgrade. I.E. if I want to upgrade to a P4 2.4ghz CPU do I have to change the motherboard the graphics card and everything else? If so what should it be?



If i was unclear on any topic plz tell me and I'll explain further.


Thanx in advance!
:wings :wings :wings :wings

[CCSDUDE]

1st question
Try hitting ctrl+alt+del before you shut down and see what's running/not responding if it's something that auto starts....go Start > Run > type in "Msconfig" without the quotes then go to the start up tab and untick the program that's giving your problems. That sloved it for me....also for some reason a good defrag clears up most problems that stop you from shutting down (IDK why so don't ask LOL)


As for the upgrade

What are your specs right now? It may be cheaper to totally build a brand spankin new system case and all then it would to just install a new mobo that may or may not work right ect.... (less hassle is alot better, right?)
As for the video card/hd's/ sound card I'm sure it'll work with any new mobo you get. Unless you get a mobo without and AGP slot and your video card is....AGP LOL


If ya don't know what to pick for your system then go to one of those build your own PC sites pick stuff you like 'build' it on there site then shop around for parts.


Hope this helps....


Peace all, Later

[The Hunter]

:mellow Just guessing, but Krell would want to know, the currant cpu, motherboard, and power supply .The cpu will give us the connection, IE 370. If that is known, it will help on the upgrades. Good luck. Also 98se is a lot better than me from what I have seen. Others might have had better results.

[Sephiroth]

1. defrag as mentioned will solve most problems like this. Using a NT based OX like win2k or xp would also be a good idea.

2. Doing a p4 system your better off building a new one.. You would probably have to get a new case/power supply, motherboard, the CPU, and all the proper cooling(heatsink, casefans) if those areny included. If you dunno how to build a system then dont if you make a mistake it can get pretty costly.

[phalkon30]

I think to fix the shut down error the only way would be to get rid of windows ME!

lol

have you tried doing windows update? i know with 98 there were a few updates to fix shut down problems, but most likely your registry got dinged

if you do decide to reformat, wait till after you update your computer parts, the upgrade process usually works better if you only have 1 set of drivers in the registry

Seriously think about using xp, its similar to ME, but is much more stable and is slightly faster from what ive seen, either that or take a step back to 98SE

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by phalkon30
I think to fix the shut down error the only way would be to get rid of windows ME!

lol

have you tried doing windows update? i know with 98 there were a few updates to fix shut down problems, but most likely your registry got dinged

if you do decide to reformat, wait till after you update your computer parts, the upgrade process usually works better if you only have 1 set of drivers in the registry

Seriously think about using xp, its similar to ME, but is much more stable and is slightly faster from what ive seen, either that or take a step back to 98SE

Windows ME is better then 98....and XP

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthre...E&pagenumber=2

I'm sick of all this Windows XP is great crap! It's shitty compared to older OS's and MS is just gonna get worse in it's lock down tactics.....

Go use ME and learn how to tweak it and it'll kick XP's ass hands down.
Or go use Linux.....that beats all MS OS crap hands down - but it's not for the noob's.....

Oh yeah, windows update causes more trouble then it's worth....block any window's crap from connecting to the net and shut off autoupdate....ugh


Peace all, Later

[ryan2_2]

Originally posted by phalkon30
Seriously think about using xp, its similar to ME, but is much more stable and is slightly faster from what ive seen, either that or take a step back to 98SE

agree. but i would go toward xp because 98SE is becoming obsolete. plus xp would be better in the long run.

Originally posted CCSDUDE
Windows ME is better then 98....and XP

no offence but ME is unstable. it removed some dos extensions which caused a whole lot of bugs. Win 98SE is the last stable version of the dos based OS.

[Sephiroth]

Windows Xp is a great operating system. If people dont perfer some parts to it then with sp1 they can turn it off and use program x or tweak it to their liking. Its alot more stable than Windows me and if you have a newer system then you will be so much better off using it.. Older is not better especially when talking about computers.

[phalkon30]

CCSDUDE, this is the first time i strongly disagree with you, ME was not all that stable, yes there were improvements over 98SE, but i would still prefer 98 over ME, ME was never really intended to be an OS, but 98 needed some major overhauling, so just to keep up a little bit ME was released

what do you so strongly have against XP? yes it is a system hog, but other than that i have been loving it

one more point, MS has decided that every 5 years it will discontinue software, so guess what, sometime in 2003 98 first edition will no longer be able to be updated, its not worth it to MS to update 5 yr old software

[ryan2_2]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Windows Xp is a great operating system. If people dont perfer some parts to it then with sp1 they can turn it off and use program x or tweak it to their liking. Its alot more stable than Windows me and if you have a newer system then you will be so much better off using it.. Older is not better especially when talking about computers.

agree again. you can tweak XP a lot more than u can in ME. Plus ME is unstable.

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by ryan2_2


agree. but i would go toward xp because 98SE is becoming obsolete. plus xp would be better in the long run.



no offence but ME is unstable. it removed some dos extensions which caused a whole lot of bugs. Win 98SE is the last stable version of the dos based OS.

Unstable for YOU.....don't base how 'sucky' it is on just YOUR experience with it. Cuz that's just freakin stupid.....
I should have added "IMHO" to what I was saying since it's what I've dealt with and it's how my system/hardware/software has played out on the OS. But saying it's unstable based purely on YOUR insight doesn't count for much. While XP has it's good point's it has many many bad points..... DRM is tighter on it, that damn call so you can install YOUR own OS crap, the if you change PC's you gotta screw with the install code again. It's all to much of a hassle for me....and I really don't think they have a right to force me to do all that shit just so I can use a product I paid for with my own hard earned cash. So before you go saying it's unstable go read my posts in the thread I linked to here. Cuz it can be a stable OS it just takes effort on your part.


Seph: Newer isn't always better.....look at Kazaa? Or how with each new update theres more stopping you from doing what you want. Sooner or later you won't even be able to copy a CD to your HD with a MS OS. Or it'll just let you encode it right to crappy 64kbs WMA format with DRM enabled with no way to shut it off. I'm bracing myself for when that happens so I try and get the most outta older OS's before I jump right on the "new OS bandwagon".

BTW: Linux is looking up....Lindows is being sold on crappy Walmart PC's now and sooner or later the rest of the OEM PC makers will get wise and start using the cheaper Windows look alike OS.


Peace all, Later

[ryan2_2]

Originally posted by CCSDUDE


Unstable for YOU.....don't base how 'sucky' it is on just YOUR experience with it. Cuz that's just freakin stupid.....
I should have added "IMHO" to what I was saying since it's what I've dealt with and it's how my system/hardware/software has played out on the OS. But saying it's unstable based purely on YOUR insight doesn't count for much. While XP has it's good point's it has many many bad points..... DRM is tighter on it, that damn call so you can install YOUR own OS crap, the if you change PC's you gotta screw with the install code again. It's all to much of a hassle for me....and I really don't think they have a right to force me to do all that shit just so I can use a product I paid for with my own hard earned cash. So before you go saying it's unstable go read my posts in the thread I linked to here. Cuz it can be a stable OS it just takes effort on your part.


Seph: Newer isn't always better.....look at Kazaa? Or how with each new update theres more stopping you from doing what you want. Sooner or later you won't even be able to copy a CD to your HD with a MS OS. Or it'll just let you encode it right to crappy 64kbs WMA format with DRM enabled with no way to shut it off. I'm bracing myself for when that happens so I try and get the most outta older OS's before I jump right on the "new OS bandwagon".

BTW: Linux is looking up....Lindows is being sold on crappy Walmart PC's now and sooner or later the rest of the OEM PC makers will get wise and start using the cheaper Windows look alike OS.


Peace all, Later

i agree with phalkon30. i have never used ME but its reviews and the revomal of real-time dos and dos support has me think of it as unstable.

Xp is the second best OS i have ever used. its fast and secure. its being a system hog doesnt affect me because my amount of ram (512MB)

i agree with you bout linux. its the best os i have ever used. but the BSDs look more promising.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by CCSDUDE


Unstable for YOU.....don't base how 'sucky' it is on just YOUR experience with it. Cuz that's just freakin stupid.....
I should have added "IMHO" to what I was saying since it's what I've dealt with and it's how my system/hardware/software has played out on the OS. But saying it's unstable based purely on YOUR insight doesn't count for much. While XP has it's good point's it has many many bad points..... DRM is tighter on it, that damn call so you can install YOUR own OS crap, the if you change PC's you gotta screw with the install code again. It's all to much of a hassle for me....and I really don't think they have a right to force me to do all that shit just so I can use a product I paid for with my own hard earned cash. So before you go saying it's unstable go read my posts in the thread I linked to here. Cuz it can be a stable OS it just takes effort on your part.


Seph: Newer isn't always better.....look at Kazaa? Or how with each new update theres more stopping you from doing what you want. Sooner or later you won't even be able to copy a CD to your HD with a MS OS. Or it'll just let you encode it right to crappy 64kbs WMA format with DRM enabled with no way to shut it off. I'm bracing myself for when that happens so I try and get the most outta older OS's before I jump right on the "new OS bandwagon".

BTW: Linux is looking up....Lindows is being sold on crappy Walmart PC's now and sooner or later the rest of the OEM PC makers will get wise and start using the cheaper Windows look alike OS.


Peace all, Later

You havent used windows Xp have you? All the things you mentioned were all crap posted on the web which alot of the ms stuff on the net is very exgeratted.

I doubt that if you had windows xp that you would use windows media player to copy a audio cd..

Looking at kazaa.. Before current verison could not use it behind a lan.. now can. Seems better to me. If you dont like it then use a different program..

Linux people have been saying its going to take over windows for years but hasnt happen. Just because its open source with to the vast majority of users doesnt mean anything. Open Source operating systems do have their fair share of bugs but since they dont have a large enough market share they arent a big enough target. Same reason why the RIAA hasnt gone after small p2p programs because they arent worth their time yet..

Linux is good for servers but for the average pc user i dont think that its a good choice which is the reason why alot of people here say they will use linux but probably never actually will..

[ryan2_2]

k lets stop argueing bout ME. It's not the point of this thread. lets come up wit solutions bout the Win ME shut down problem usin reformating as a last resort.

«°¤§téålth§t®îk餰»

try n see if it works in safe mode. try the step by step startup. and try disabling all programs from starting up at start up using msconfig.

oh ya it depends bout the motherboard thing. if its more than a year and a half years old, you're better off just gettin a new computer.

[«°¤§téålth§t®îk餰»]

First Topic:

I did a defrag and i just restarted the com, so i don't know if that helped. But ofcourse the programs run a bit faster and more stable.

I don't believe in getting rid of ME, because for now I can't and secondly I believe the problem is not with the stabability of it. I think it's more likely what CCSDUDE said about a program/programs making it not shut down properly.



Second Topic:

From what I gather it seems that I should get a new system all together.

As for Krell getting my system info, I don't believe I can help him because I don't know what motherboard I have nor anything else deeper than the Brand name and Type of thing i.e. sound card, graphics card, modem etc. I bought it from HP and the model is Pavilion 9726.

But if I were to get the computer made, all by myself. Where should I start? I don't mind making mistakes and it being costly.

But I want to know what I'm doing before I make the mistake or else I'll never learn! hehehe

Where do I start? Can I get any sites with step by step tutorals about what parts I need and then asembling them?