Feds' Net-wiretap order set to kick in

**Jared Moya** · November 11th, 2005, 06:15 PM

According to a final order issued by the Federal Communications Commission in late September, all broadband Internet service providers and many Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP, companies will have 18 months--until spring 2007--to ensure their systems have backdoors that allow police to eavesdrop on their customers' communications for investigative purposes. The 59-page order (click for PDF) followed years of pressure from the FBI, the Justice Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration. It would broaden the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), an 11-year-old wiretapping law that currently applies only to "telecommunications carriers." The FCC has justified the expansion on the basis of terrorism and homeland security concerns, echoing Bush administration officials who have warned, for example, of the perils of VoIP services in rogue hands.

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**mfgbypooter** · November 11th, 2005, 06:42 PM

Bout fucking time.

We can't have all those nasty terrorists running around making internet phone calls without the FBI having a way to listen in on their diabolical plans.

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**maquereautin** · November 11th, 2005, 07:06 PM

any country but this one looks better and better every day....

**gorphon** · November 11th, 2005, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by maquereautin

any country but this one looks better and better every day....

thats about the most damn fool thing I've ever seen.

try haiti, you might like it there right now. or the entirety of the mideast. or north korea. or 95% of the fucking african continent. or Nepal. for gods sakes, FRANCE! should I go on?

**mfgbypooter** · November 11th, 2005, 07:17 PM

Move to Aruba.

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**axlman** · November 11th, 2005, 07:28 PM

I can see it now!!!! ZP as well as all other Tech forums will be filled with the same questions! "How can I block the backdoor?!

**Malakai1911** · November 11th, 2005, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by gorphon

thats about the most damn fool thing I've ever seen.

try haiti, you might like it there right now. or the entirety of the mideast. or north korea. or 95% of the fucking african continent. or Nepal. for gods sakes, FRANCE! should I go on?

France has
...higher life expectancy
...lower infant mortality
...half as many tv sets per capita
...higher literacy rate
...lower total crime and murder rates
than the US. Sounds pretty good to me.

Austrailia, Canada, France, UK or even perhaps Japan... all seemingly great countries to live in.

**Mels_Smileys45** · November 11th, 2005, 07:32 PM

Speaking of back door, nice avatar there

**gorphon** · November 11th, 2005, 07:37 PM

I agree, malakai. France is a wonderful country to its native citizens and those with the wherewithal to look after themselves. The reason for my including it above is, quite simply, the recent ongoing unrest and riots currently going on there. and, "for gods sakes" was meant as a sign of exasperation- I apologize if it was not as obvious as I meant it.

and my issue with maquerautin's statement stems from the "any country is better than this one". any country. There are damn near 200 countries in this world and you have named 5 that have the same, or better, standard of living as the United States. You are obviously intelligent so I will just say that I would appreciate it if you stop being disingenuous.

**Malakai1911** · November 11th, 2005, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by gorphon

and my issue with maquerautin's statement stems from the "any country is better than this one". any country. There are damn near 200 countries in this world and you have named 5 that have the same, or better, standard of living as the United States. You are obviously intelligent so I will just say that I would appreciate it if you stop being disingenuous.

Yeah I'll back down from this argument, my point was just that yeah, the US is a great country, but that doesn't mean other countries arent great places to live in either. The netherlands are pretty decent too.

I had you marked as one of those "the united states is #1 and everyone else can suck it or die because they are worthless" types.

**Mels_Smileys45** · November 11th, 2005, 08:10 PM

The US makes such great stuff for us to rip off. How can it not be great?

**Jared Moya** · November 11th, 2005, 08:24 PM

"France has
...higher life expectancy
...lower infant mortality
...half as many tv sets per capita
...higher literacy rate
...lower total crime and murder rates
than the US. Sounds pretty good to me."

They also have a social welfare state with outragous taxes and a stagnant economy
and an unemployment rate of 10.2%

Taxation rates as follows:
Net Income
Subject to Tax Band Tax Rate Tax on Band Cumulative Tax
Up to €4,334 €4,334 Nil - -
€4,35 to €8,524 €4,189 6.83% €286 €286
€8,525 to €15,004 €6,479 19.14% €1,240 €1,526
€15,005 to €24,294 €9,289 28.26% €2,625 €4,151
€24,295 to €39,529 €15,234 37.38% €5,694 €9,845
€39,530 to €48,747 €9,217 42.62% €3,928 €13,773
Over €48,747 - 48.09% - -

Notice if u make more than 48,000 euro, about the same in US, though latest was 0.85 euro to dollar, you get taxed 48%!!! Thats crazy as in US = 20 -25$...........

**shawners** · November 11th, 2005, 09:11 PM

Its the atheist fault. Instead of attacking bibles and church, they could of been attacking government snooping as well as the rights to not have our communications violated.