next generation P2P for copyright material

**photonic** · January 29th, 2005, 11:07 PM

Suppose we want to design a next generation P2P network that make it impossible for the copyright industry to sue users who share a specific copyright material, how can we accomplish the objective????

**mountain_rage** · January 29th, 2005, 11:30 PM

The program should find loopholes in laws, exploit these loopholes directly in their file sharing applications. Do this to protect the downloaded/unloader so that in court he can defend himself, and not incur any damages.

It should hide a users IP adress, block IP addresses much like peer guardian, encrypt the data and route traffic through multiple users in similar ways as ants is currently using.

It should also host many legal music downloads like the ones offered by download.com so so it can show to the authorities your program is used for many legit purposes and you cant help it if your users decide to transfer copyrighted files.

In the end tho its basically impossible to make yourself 100% hidden, but it is possible to protect yourself enough so that one couldnt sue you. Thats the goal authors should be looking at.

**infringer** · January 30th, 2005, 12:05 AM

Be more descreate and you got em beat. File sharing will continue to go on as long as there is an internet connection and it will continue on a large scale I'd bet as well. But there will always be ways to transfer information to and fro thats what the internet is alll about transfering information at a cheap price which is your monthly fee.

And as internet grows at faster speeds more stuff will beable to be sent in a shorter amount of time. Making it a tougher catch.

-infringer-

**DwarfBaby** · January 30th, 2005, 12:41 AM

Arghfragen, I masturbate to your people’s incompetence. Loopholes and licenses and whatevever you think of next, I really don't give a shit. I have whatever I want and I'll take as I please. I don't worry about a knock on my door or an email to tarnish my good name. Eye on what I'm after
I don't need another friend
Smile and drop the cliche
Till you think I'm listening
I take just what I came for
Then I'm out the door again
Peripheral long the package
Don't care to settle in
Time to feed the monster
I don't need another friend
Comfort is a mystery
Crawling out of my own skin
Just give me what I came for, then I'm out the door again

Basically, Learn IRC and Newsgroups and the Riaa can lick your sack. I have been experimenting with P2P since 1999 and always found it wanting. Nothing has ever satisfied my want more then what has always been right in front of me. The writing is on the wall, come to the dark side. Give in to it, you will never come back.

**ABC123666** · January 30th, 2005, 03:34 AM

Move everyone to russia or china.

**eivioolla** · January 30th, 2005, 03:46 AM

Or Germany or Canada...

**shawners** · January 30th, 2005, 06:18 AM

I got an offshore isp, its long distance but they cant touch me.

**Afn** · January 30th, 2005, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by photonic

Suppose we want to design a next generation P2P network that make it impossible for the copyright industry to sue users who share a specific copyright material, how can we accomplish the objective????

Share. Remember Gandi knew that the system was dependent on people to make the system work. When Gandi called for a day of fasting and prayer, it shut india down. The same is true with the entertainment industry.

Share and trade, Share knowledge! They can never stop the information revolution.

**infringer** · January 30th, 2005, 06:51 PM

The system is flawed just because the RIAA/MPAA gets a victory here or victory there in the form of a lawsuit do not let it blur the fact that there is millions of folks proclaiming there own victories daily and many times daily as well. Download and share what you can ... If you wish to stand up against the big companies taking away the freedoms this is just one way to do it. I dont view that me sharing a file with someone as being a big harm while there are others that feel thats all its about is ripping off the industry and getting free shit there is more to the picture then that.

-infringer-

**Afn** · January 31st, 2005, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by infringer

The system is flawed just because

Technology prevenented easy, high quality copying. Radio created a local market for national acts, and payment to the trade assocations because radio stations were getting local advertising dollars, and could pay industrial blackmail in exchange for diverse audio experiences in the form of pre-recorded music.

Radio is fragmented and podcasting is not going to have the audience size or prestege that broadcasting had in the mid to late 20th century. Computer technology questions the value of premium entertainment, something that I like to talk about and inform people about.

Salt at one time in the world was expensive, wars were fought over it, and today, thanks to modern processing, salt is.... cheap as salt.

It should be a fun ride to the bottom.

**inoesomestuff** · February 11th, 2005, 01:21 PM

for small trusted communities, wouldnt WASTE be the ideal next thing for p2p?

**rainbowdemon** · February 11th, 2005, 05:01 PM

Salt at one time in the world was expensive, wars were fought over it, and today, thanks to modern processing, salt is.... cheap as salt.

And at one time, workers were paid with salt rather than money. It was that valuable. And this is the origin of the word "salary".

**shawners** · February 11th, 2005, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by photonic

Suppose we want to design a next generation P2P network that make it impossible for the copyright industry to sue users who share a specific copyright material, how can we accomplish the objective????

Remember LIar LIar movie where Jim carrey is walking to his office and his secretary said to him, "Your client just knocked off a liquor store and needs your legal advice." At that time he picks up the phone and screams loudly. "QUIT BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE." I thought that was quite awesome =)

**Mels_Smileys45** · February 11th, 2005, 07:04 PM

"Here, I am the law!" - (some guy in a movie)

**WillemB** · March 25th, 2005, 05:26 AM

One man who kills is a murder but what if 1 million people kill others?

P2P has one way of surviving and that is to get BIG and fully or semi-decentralized. Most P2P systems now have a few bigtime uploaders whcih can be shut down taking down the whole network. The trick to survival is to make more people upload so we don't need the big uploaders.

I'm working on an incentive based protocol that should make more people willing to upload since they can download more if they do. This should make a network popular since downloading will go faster and more people will have more sources.