Takedown notice...

**darkbliss** · March 18th, 2004, 04:47 AM

I've just recive3d a takedown notice From Vivendii regarding a file i downloaded with bittorent a while back. i deleted the file ages ago anyways. My Isp just forwarded the takedown notice to me but didn't say anything else they didn't write please contact us regarding this issue or anything however vivendi have given me an id number and wrote "we urge you to take immediate action to stop this infiging activity and inform us of the results of your actions. we appreciate your efforts towards this common goal."
Should i contact them? i assume not since it is my isp that is my provider of connectivity and since they just forwarded the email without even asking me to contact them they probbley arn't so bothered...
Plus i live in the uk, what would happen if i don't respond to vivendi? would they contact my isp again?

thanx for your advice

**darkbliss** · March 18th, 2004, 05:15 AM

so you think i should email vivenddi then or my isp?

**Lee DeForest** · March 18th, 2004, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by darkbliss

I've just recive3d a takedown notice From Vivendii...<snip>...
Should i contact them?...<snip>...
Plus i live in the uk, what would happen if i don't respond to vivendi? would they contact my isp again?

First of all, do not reply directly to Vivendi Universal.
There's a reason the notice was forwarded to you, rather than sent directly, and it's the same reason it included a case ID number: Vivendi Universal do not know who you are. They may (or, more likely in my opinion) may not proceed further once they have your email address, but I'm sure you'll agree that you'd rather they didn't have it.

I am familar only with U.S. copyright infringement procedures, and have no knowledge of what may portend for you in the UK. If the process is similar in your country, I would suggest -- and suggest only, mind you -- that you contact your ISP and politely state that the forwarded letter was obviously sent in error, that you have performed a thorough vetting of your HD, and that no such file exists.

That response to your ISP is all (again, using U.S. rules) your ISP needs to send a "material removed/never existed" response to Vivendi Universal, which will then clear your IP from its mailing campaign. Otherwise, yes, they will keep writing to your ISP, which enjoys sending out these notices only slightly less than you enjoy receiving them.

If you are interested in learning more about what the MPAA, RIAA, BSA et al. can do to UK residents, look here: http://www.wipo.int/

Oh, and please have you ISP forward my best wishes to:

Aaron Markham
Manager of Internet Anti-Piracy,
Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations
VIVENDI UNIVERSAL ENTERTAINMENT.
100 Universal City Plaza
Universal City, CA 91608
tel. (818) 777-3111
fax (818) 866-6339
[email protected]

**shawners** · March 18th, 2004, 05:33 AM

actually just send them this link, and ask why are you so worried, look at 2004, and 2003. =)
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/

**Aaron73153** · March 18th, 2004, 07:05 AM

There is information at [link]http://www.eff.org[/link] about what to do if you've recieved a notice. They are a good resource for fighting the companies like Vivendii

**stts** · March 18th, 2004, 08:03 AM

THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE..............:(

ANYHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU AT ANY TIME!!!!!!

SO...ignore all inqueries, run the other way, give false/missleading info and ID, dont cooperate, kick and scream if they grab you, etc, etc.

If you are a sheep, then they will gladely lead you to be slaughtered.
If you are a mad dog that they cant get a good hold of, they will move on to easier prey.

This is a fact of life that applies anywhere in the world.

**Lee DeForest** · March 18th, 2004, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Aaron73153

There is information at [link]http://www.eff.org[/link] about what to do if you've recieved a notice. They are a good resource for fighting the companies like Vivendii

Could you please give a link to the actual page(s) with the "What to do" information? I've searched the EFF's site for the last ten minutes and I'm not having any luck at all finding anything.

Thank you.

**cemcem** · November 20th, 2004, 06:07 PM

Hi,
I need your help, I just received a letter from MPAA, saying i downloaded one movie, and they havent taken action yet, however I m an international student, and I'm graduating and leaving the US in one month and not coming back, is they file anything or not, can this effect my leaving the country? (you know to follow the lawsuit or they wont let me leave blah blah? )
Or it doesnt effect anything, and i should ignore even there would be a court date before i leave, or after.

Please let me know, thanks

**Mels_Smileys45** · November 20th, 2004, 06:14 PM

Don't even sweat it. Burn the notice and get the hell out of the fucked up place. Nothing to worry about.

**nukehella** · November 20th, 2004, 06:38 PM

What was the post mark date on the envelope?

**cemcem** · November 20th, 2004, 06:43 PM

12 november

**hawkburn** · November 20th, 2004, 07:08 PM

Did it say there were taking legal action or if they were just warning you?

If they're taking legal action, you might consult a lawyer as even a civil lawsuit I believe may keep you from leaving.

If it's a warning, as Mels said... get the hell out of our fucked up country and appreciate that you were not born, or live here permaneantly :)

**ratbag** · November 20th, 2004, 08:15 PM

fuck the riaa the mpaa and anyone else who infringes on our freedom to do what the hell we want i will share and download til they pry my damn laptop out of my cold dead hands what ever happened to the land of the free damn it all to heel i am pissed

**F0wler** · November 20th, 2004, 08:18 PM

Glad I'm not in the US.

**nukehella** · November 20th, 2004, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by ratbag

fuck the riaa the mpaa and anyone else who infringes on our freedom to do what the hell we want i will share and download til they pry my damn laptop out of my cold dead hands what ever happened to the land of the free damn it all to heel i am pissed

Well if you live in the country that just reelected Bush you have a problems that you are just going to have to learn to deal with things.
The "Land Of The Free" had some great ideas behind it. To bad it has come to a horrible situation such as this.
America got fat for years . But it didn't last.And after Bush and his handlers get done,2008 is just a far away dot on the horizon.The damage that will be inflicted in the next 4 years will never be overcome under this 1 party system.(1) (ONE)
The one party that exists has nothing to do with you.