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RIAA/MPAA fighting back manifesto - Part 2
Open Letter to file-sharing users
I think things would be better if we did not need file-sharing P2P networks. At the basis of this is getting stuff we did not pay for. However, I also think that given the current prices and business models of the RIAA/MPASA file-trading is here to stay (See also part 1)
Fighting back the RIAA/MPAA is a political and economic issue. Yelling at them does not help. asking them to change their ways won't work - they need to be FORCED. In a different message (part 1 of this thread) I suggested what they SHOULD do (in short - offer content for sale on the net for reasonable prices).
I propose the following courses of action:
1. Encourage the use of encrypted P2P networks such as Freenet
(I don't use it, so this is not an endorsment - ANY encrypted network
is OK). The harder and costlier it is to track and sue us, the more
they may decide it is better to change their coure of action. If you
are a user, switch to these networks. If you are a developer,
see how you can add encryption/proxying to your product so that
sender and reciever can exchange files but not find out each other's
identity.
2. Write your congressman and senator, and tell them that you will elect
someone else if they support the RIAA/MPAA's heavy-handed onduct.
Yes, the lobbies give lost of campaign dollars, but these are useless if
the voters then vote the other way. There are millions of file-sharing
users. This is a significant political power - use it. If you can't be
bothered to send a few emails (or actual letters), don't complain if
things don't go your way.
3. Boycott the content holders, and tell them you are doing it.
Send mail and email to the RIAA and MPAA, or better yet to the
companies behind them, and let them know that you are unhappy with
their conduct, and that as a result you pledge not to buy any CD/DVD
until they change. Let's show them what is the real cost if P2P users
stop paying them. If the cost of suing us is high enough in lost
revenue - they will stop. They claim to be upholding a principle, but
they are a business. If a practice is too expensive, they will stop it.
Lets' set a target of reducing their income by a Billion or two (say if
we buy 10-20% less CD's this year). I think they will quickly wake up.
4. Finally, if you have physical ownership of CD's/DVD's, you could make
a few (physical) copies and leave them in some public places -
libraries, coffee-shops, churches, etc. Donate (say) 10 CD's to the
community and then for each CD you take from such a pile, give one
back. Argualbly, if you make one copy of a CD you own, and give it
to a friend, this is in the "fair use" realm. Idf we made this as a big
group, the RIAA is sure to take notice - and there is nothing it can
do. So, at the cost of $20 we can really make them take us seriously.
5. Left as an excercise to the reader
To P2P Users - if you agree, forward this to wherever you think it will do any good. See also part 1.
I dont think its good at all. All you do is advocate people to want encryption which does nothing to "hide" people, tell them to boycott and write their congressmen then that incredibly stupid idea of burning physical copies and leaving them in public places which is just stupid.
Also shows that you dont know much about file sharing because its already here to stay because it does have ligitimate uses.
Orr101, there are a number of good articles on the site--check the P2P or RIAA sections to get brought up to date. Once you've done that, then you can hone in on your suggestions and improve upon them.
I don't think anonymity is necessary for a legally safe firesharing program. As I understand it, Freenet is a lightly connect slow network because of its attempts to preserve anonymity. It's good for information sharing among dissidents living under oppressive regimes but I don't think it's the future of filesharing.
Dick Laurent is dead...
Orr I don't want to discourage you, but I agree with Sephiroth that your ideas are not very well thought out. I went ahead and asked someone who has studied this more than me, and I'm still digesting what he said, but here it is for your consideration:
I disagree with you orr101. I think I have four MORE PRODUCTIVE suggestions.
1. Explain to people how copying CDs IS legal under the DMCA. (Circumventing COPY PREVENTION is permitted for personal use. Circumventing ACCESS CONTROL is not.) Ripping IS legal under the Audio Home Recording act. (Any personal copying was intented to be legal.) Explain the foundation of most of this based on the Sony Betamax case. Equate this to TIVO in the present day. This is long established law, not subversion.
2. Write your congressman and senator. Tell them that the copyright industry is trying to STEAL the rights that they so carefully prescribed for the good of the public. IF they don't protect your EXISTING rights, you and 60 million of your friends will find someone who will.
3. Share openly and in public. Mount an original CD on your web server. Encourage others to remotely play your CD at their house. This makes no copies. It is no more illegal for the CD owner then running speaker wires to the listener's house. Assert your rights and when the time comes, defend them. Make other show that your behavior is ACTUALLY illegal. Not simply unpleasent for the copyright industry.
4. Share, borrow, resell, and loan your CDs in public. All of this is LEGAL behavior under the longstanding doctrine of "first sale". This is the same law that Blockbuster video operates under. When others have possession of your CDs mention their rights to rip or play the content on any device thay choose. From WinAmp to iPod, or even a CD player if they care to lug a bunch of plastic around.
CaptainMorgan
thebighack.org
Originally Posted by aqlo
Well thought out Aglo...
fuck off
no really
Thank God cpt morgen is still available for your needs.
lol
MI's take on you is getting more and more accurate. Put the big hack in your sig if you like.
I found that post thought-provoking, especially points 3 & 4 (I'm still pondering the legality of it), and I don't think it was cheap promotion-- it was relevant to the discussion.
Dick Laurent is dead...
cpmorgen is a jerk he messd with me over their. i finaly quit goin to thqt site.
they r smart tho. how do i shar a cd like # 3. i want my grama to play it. she dont hav p2p but she has xp.
Wow Ne0, and I was even talkin pretty about you to the war-goddess. Still I sympathize with what you are saying, they do talk on and on and on over there and then when you swipe something it doesn't work and you're stuck mumbling about "satire".
Yeah CP I know, that place makes even me unsubtle if I'm not careful, but I couldn't resist the temptation to set one long-winded troll against another. I still think I like Cap's bogus plan better than Orr's, for what that's worth. Everyone knows which plan I really like
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthre...217#post182217
Oh and about Malicious Intent, for the record: one of the most thorough and well-meaning people I know, the world would be a sadder place without MI here to stir people's minds and keep things moving, it's a privilege to know that cat and I would rather have Malice disagreeing with me than half the tards on the net agreeing, because intelligent thought is worth more than putting people to sleep.
Once more into the breach ...
Looking at the replies to my post, I feel it appropriate to jump in again
(Asbestos suit on) here goes ...
I won't answer the posters who just said "you're stupid, and your ideas stink". Their opinion (and they're welcome to it), but not an argument to be addressed logically.
I will answer individual posters and points below, but first:
The main Point I was trying to get across is that this is an intimidation game. It does not matter even if we COULD prove sharing is legal - almost none of us can afford the battle. So, since we can't afford the hundred-thousands (or millions) it would cost to win a court case (including probably years of appeals), the RIAA gets to intimidate us into submission - P2P stats are WAY down. We are all (well, enough of us to matter) scared of being sued.
So, what can we do? The one advantage we have is that there are millions of us, and the RIAA *needs* us. If we can convince them it simply does not pay to fight us, they'll stop, and figure out how to give us a product we *are* willing to buy.
*IF* we can do anything that the RIAA will feel as a loss of revenue more than the potential gain from reducing P2P sharing (They probably figure "40% less Kazaa is 10% more revenue" - Ha!) we'll win. If not - RIAA will just keep doing what it is already doing.
I put forth some ideas (some worse than others). You are all welcome to add your own. The key is numbers. It almost does not matter what we do - if it costs them lost revenue, and there are enough of us doing it ...
Along this line, I'll pass along an idea that was posted elsewhere - buy used CD's, from which the RIAA gets no current revenue.
Cheers ...
Now some point-by-point answers (Boy, he IS long winded ...)
1. To Sephiroth: I was calling for a P2P network that hides the IP
address of the participants, not encrypted content. I want a
P2P where the source does not (and can not) see the target. This
means distributed proxies, I guess.
2. To Aglo, and his buddy CaptainMorgan - while obvious thought went
into this, I'm afraid it's wishful thinking. Moreover, it misses the
point - as I said, even if it WAS legal, we can't afford trying to
prove it. Let's see:
a. Sharing does not violate DMCA - it violates Copyright law. To share
a file that has built-in protection, DMCA is likely to be broken too.
Ripping for yourself IS legal - but sharing the result is not.
b. Writing congress is a good idea. If we use OUR political weight
it will definitely do good - probably this is THE only real way
to force the RIAA into line. And while they have campain $$
politicians still depend on our vote, and no congressman will
willingly lose hundreds of thousands of votes, even for the RIAA
c. Sharing is NOT like running wire to the listener house - after the
wire is diconneced, a listener can't re-play the show. Moreover
if you run wires to MANY houses, especially to strangers, you
are a broadcast entity - and owe royalties to the RIAA
companies ...
d. Yes, it IS legal to loan your CD's to friends - but you are supposed
to not have them for the duration, or you are copying - and this
is why they call it copy-right ... In Blockbuster you get the
Physical entity BB has, not a copy. If they hand out all the copies
they bought, they don't make you another copy - you have to wait
for one of the copies to be returned.
Guys - RIAA, and their lawyers are not stupid. Please assume that
they know what they are doing. Moreover, they are not even Evil. If
you had a business that made you Millions, would you be glad if new
technology made it into a buiness making you thousands? or even
hundred of throusands? I'd fight, and so would you - and so does
the RIAA. It is our business to see they lose this fight - and if we
*do* something about it, we can.
Oh, a final point - I am not promoting or selling anything. Not now, not before, not in the future.
Orr
the mpaa doesn't read this forum
of course, if you emailed them or your representative...
oh wait--they'd ignore you that way too
Its easy to just say for p2p networks to "hide" but not only is it not possible because when you "share" your hosting those files to the public.
Proxies are a waste of time, and any idea that involves is foolish and is not in the best interest of p2p and will not work for numerous reasons. Which every other persons "manifesto" before you all called for "hiding" and proxies and they both are not the answer because they dont work.
Not only is your "manifesto" a giant unproductive waste of time that is unproductive and pointless. But if you really want to help do something relevent then why dont you go support p2punited.org instead of coming up with these silly long winded posts that are pointless and ideas that just dont work.
Not a bad post dude... I'm surprised how fast they tried to rip you apart.
If people stop thinking, then that's where it all ends. Even if you're not 100% right all the time, it's more effort than most people put forth anyway.
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