If you want to know what the future has in store for P2P, just look at what general consensus is by all the Zeropaid members (not the exceptional voices that stand out in opposition to the general trend) and predict the opposite. Zeropaid members are INCREDIBLY naive and ignorant about real life and how the legal system works.
For some reason the cold wind of reality fails to reach most of the members here. I suspect it's because they are mostly kids. Their defiant attitude about the law is probably because it will be Mommy and Daddy who will be paying the lawsuit damages.
There is no way that governments are going to wipe out trillions of dollars of intellectual property value by making music and movie file sharing legal. Those that continue to use wide open p2p programs will be caught and penalized.
The only things that I foresee in the p2p future are:
1) Stop sharing music, and other copyrighted files.
2) Use p2p apps that hide your ip address and protect your identity or use networks that hide your identify (free, anonymous wireless networks).
3) Get sued and be too broke so that you end up as number one anyway.
4) Go to jail (in countries where p2p carries criminal penalties)
5) Online file shopping makes enough money for the RIAA artists that there comes to exist a stalemate where file sharing is still illegal, but RIAA artists are making enough money to be happy.
Five, while possible, is highly unlikely. Why? Because to those people, there is NEVER enough money. They are going to want their last drop of blood no matter what. The only reason they permitted copying via tape from the radio all these years was because that probably did more to spread new artists that it did to damage sales.
Anyone who believes this is going to end with everything happily continuing the way it is, is living in a dream world where fairies and trolls write songs and music, Gandalf the Grey makes movies magically come into existence and hobbits and elves toil tirelessley to make free software available to people who won't pay for any of it.
It was ok while nerds and geeks (a very small percentage of the population) were doing it but when copyright violation became a mass marketed commodity, the copyright holders could not ignore it any more and survive.
The people who will pay the worst penalties are the ones who will be sued after the RIAA ramps up into full power juggernaut mode. After they work the kinks out, and take off the kid gloves. They are just waiting to see what public opinion is. Public opinion won't give a shit. People have a lot more to worry about than "record pirates" getting sued and/or going to jail. If you get busted, no one is going to care and the public is notoriously unsympathetic to each other. If you are getting something for free that someone else has to pay for, in their eyes you are a thief, plain and simple.
I'm not saying its fair, but people are terribly ignorant sometimes. Just look at how wrong a lot of reporters are when the cover computer related stories.
No one is going to come to your rescue. There isn't going to be any grassroots movement to boycott the RIAA. The people who buy CDs are too stupid to know about file sharing, and the file sharers are already not buying CDs. and a boycott by them isn't going to hurt the RIAA any more than it is already.
I'm sure everyone will be screaming that I am a troll, and to go back home. I don't mind. They will probably delete this post because it shatters their frail reality. However, I am doing them a favor with a warning. Handcuffs don't come off hitting the delete key.
But mark my words, if you don't take effective measures to protect yourself and your p2p activity, you will end up a casualty on the p2p superhighway.
Can't totally disagree with that, especially with that opening line, lol. ;-)I'm sure everyone will be screaming that I am a troll, and to go back home.
I do not quite agree with you, dude, but you do argue your point in intelligent manner.
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Since its inception almost 30 years ago, the internet has been transformed from a primitive device for sharing thoughts and ideas, into a massive network where people pay to connect and read advertisements they don't want, while calling each other "asshats".
You make good points, but even then it is hard to take what you say seriously as you line every paragraph with "Zeropaid users are ignorant".
“Workingmen of Europe feel sure as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes.” - Karl Marx
Extremely good thorough post. i like this one for the negative view best. Thanks
Good point,. Most people who are mature know that filesharing is stealing. We all know that one way or another the RIIA will win.
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The naive, ignorant and idealistic have always formed the shock troops in any movement, like the civil rights movement. They are the ones that get thrown in jail, bitten by dogs, hosed off with fire hoses and have their lives ruined.Originally posted by notbob
i'll buy that
of course you'll never convince the naieve and ignorant
That's ok with me. We need them around to absorb the blow for the rest of us who are smart enough to take cover.
If you look at the numbers "Empire". You would see a growing number of p2p users. More and more get tired of the games the music industry makes with our money. While artist at one time get into the music scene to actually make music and spread their music to far off distant places, now they seem to fight for their music to stay on a Cd with some half drawn cover art that a ten year old probably have made. You see, if we did not have pirated, you would not have seen Universal drop their prices or Uk lower their prices, you would not seen albums released earlier due to the fact they was on the internet. Cause of piracy it has created more jobs and more money flooded to the software industry as well as other such Media scavengers. They search for copy protected things that were hired by the software companies to find ip's and send letters out. Im tired of the middle man and blue collard worker paving the streets, while these people write 20 minutes of bable, turn it into a 40 minute recording and get paid millions. And yet i get satisfaction out of every album I download. I See hundreds of dollars beiing saved as i can listen to all the music i want, burn it in any other way, and then months later when i have the means to get the album, i can say "YEH or NaY!". Until then I will continue to do wrong til im scourned by the hands of the RIAA, then i will continue to do wrong. Remember there was a time when Alcohol was outlawed and people ran runs across states, and made moonshine.. THis is by all means history once repeating itself in a different way. If you dont stand up for anything, your sitting on your ass for nothing. And if you recall those college students being sued and having to pay 12000, you can see that their was a paypal set up and they got their money back.
We arent going to be forced to pay high prices or haveing to wait twelve years for the artist to make a Greatest hits cd so you can have the one or two songs off their 5 albums, that somehow with file sharing going on, still went 4 times platnium.
My internet connection brings me true happiness, all the power and knowledge in the world can come into my room and i can grasp it. No library card, no return dates, no limit. OF course my wife brings me happiness in the world, but not as much knowledge. Any way you look at it, were a community of people from different rays.
This mother-daughter team sold out cold. Everyone who settles is going to implicate everyone on their network. Everyone who hits that amnesty form is going to do the same.
How many millions of people have switched over to leeching? Where is stuff going to come from if everyone is just leeching?
How long have we got before we start seeing major network outages?
Okay, you can critisize people for taking a stand for p2p, but where do you stand on the issue?
Are you for it or against it? Do you share files?
Wev'e had so many people coming into our forums to discourage file sharing.
Whether your arguement is valid or not, there is no place for it here.
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This mother-daughter team sold out cold. Everyone who settles is going to implicate everyone on their network. Everyone who hits that amnesty form is going to do the same.
How many millions of people have switched over to leeching? Where is stuff going to come from if everyone is just leeching?
How long have we got before we start seeing major network outages?
“Workingmen of Europe feel sure as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes.” - Karl Marx
Some good points but we will see....
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I'm under no illusions about what I do, and I never have done.
And just like the tech stock boom in late 99, early 2000. I've never thought for one minute that this could last forever.
I'm here to enjoy the ride for as long as I can.
Empire, I share your pessimism. I think P2P probably will be driven underground (and when it's underground it will suck) but what I don't share is what seems to be your acquiescence. What would you have us do? Go back to buying the RIAA's products? For ethical reasons, I could never do that unless they radically changed their ways.
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Nice, Intelligent Argument, but...
The boycott is on, and is growing. CD sales decreases accelerated in july, because of legal action taken against its customers. Boycotts will and do make a difference... Universal dropping CD prices is a good example. They are pleading people to buy music, but I'm not going too until there is a major overhaul in the Industry.
What I hate is the greed of the RIAA.. Artists get on Average 80 cents per CD (After they recoup all recording and promotional fees) That is crap. I can buy 50 CD-Rs cheaper than one RIAA CD. That shows how cheap it is to make CDs. (And you know those CD-Rs are marked up for the average consumer, therefore cheaper en mass to maj. corps) Theres a lot of unnacounted-for money floating into Exec.s' pockets. Give the Artists more money, and I might "support" them.
Shawners -
I like to say..
"If you don't stand up for what you beleive in, then you're bending over"
Empire, that is quite an impressive post for your 1st (or 2nd). Welcome to Zeropaid.
I agree with much of what you say. Singled out P2P users have no legal ground to stand on. I fear the glory days, the wide open "wild west" of mp3's flying from everywhere to everywhere, are over. However I can't agree that filesharing has a terminal diagnosis. There are too many intelligent people that want to do it, even if it means on a reduced scale.
I'm very interested to see where the dust settles after a few months. Until then I have enough to keep my eyes & ears busy.
edit: I also think RIAA boycotts could be affective. Does anyone have a good RIAA label database?
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