Was the news article removed?

[eivioolla]

Was the news article about ES5 removed from the main page?

Not that I cared about the article but we had a valid discussion going on in it.

This one I mean:

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/read_co...p?id=09042003b

[Krypt0]

the origional news article is here. I am not sure why it was removed from the 'file sharing news' on the front page, but yes, it appears to be gone.

Also on ES5 offering a reward for $50,000 for anyone that breaks their full security features, what exactly do they mean by that?
If the program was written by humans, it can be hacked, de-compiled and broken just as well. Regarding anonymity on the internet, there is NO such thing (I.E. firewalls, proxies, ssl, etc)

This IS $50k that we're talking about here, so we'll see if they pay through :black

[eivioolla]

Originally posted by Krypt0
the origional news article is here. I am not sure why it was removed from the 'file sharing news' on the front page, but yes, it appears to be gone.

Also on ES5 offering a reward for $50,000 for anyone that breaks their full security features, what exactly do they mean by that?
If the program was written by humans, it can be hacked, de-compiled and broken just as well. Regarding anonymity on the internet, there is NO such thing (I.E. firewalls, proxies, ssl, etc)

This IS $50k that we're talking about here, so we'll see if they pay through :black

I don't think they are going to pay one cent to anyone one way or another.

I also don't belive that you or anyone else is going to crack the security in ES5.

If you claim otherwise then prove it and I'll stand corrected.

If you define online anonymity that it is techincally or economically infeasible to try to find your identity then yes there is anonymity on the internet.

[phalkon30]

I was close to removing the article myself, somebody beat me to it.

The problem with it, was that its VERY easy to lie, even in an interview. If you've spent some time looking at the ESV forums, they impersonate ZP users, lie about facts, and make things up to make us look bad.

While I'm not sure why this particular story was removed, in the past they have not cooperated with us, so I believe we are trying phase them out of our site, and have nothing to do with them.


^^^^^^^^^^^ not actual comments from an admin, just my oppinion ^^^^^^^^^^

[eivioolla]

Originally posted by random nut
They won't pay a dime, you can be sure of that => Everyone knows that => ES5 knows that everyone knows that => ES5 knows that no-one will try to break their program => ES5 can then say "Hey, it's been 1 year and still no-one has broken our program. It's secure!".

Luckily we have people like you who wouldn't hesitate to show off by breaking it (for free) if they only could do it.

And of course the RIAA, I don't think we'll have to pay them to test it out. In fact it'll be vice versa.

[Wolfie]

This sounds familar. If i remember correctly Steve15 also offered to put up 10,000 as bet that he could provide evidence for the 15 million esv users worldwide.

Assuming this is not hot air, I wonder how it'll be set up (legally) so both parties can meet thier obligations.

[eivioolla]

Originally posted by random nut
Could you give me the URL to bugtraq where I can read about the ES5 vulnerabilities I discovered.

I'm not going to help ES5 by telling them about their bugs. Go do your job and fix your program. Until they're fixed and ES5 stops their constant lying, I don't recommend anyone using your program. If I know the vulnerabilities, then surely the RIAA hired companies already know about them too and may be exploiting them right now without you even knowing it!

That is exactly what I mean, there is nothing in bugtraq nor anywhere else because you got nothing.

You sound just like Ras and steve15 with your wild allegations and zero evidence.

PS. It's no more "my program" than KaZaA is "my program".

PPS. I said it to you on ES5 and I'll say it here, if you want to prove that you're not just atlking out of your ass, I'm ready to run a test with you anytime, if you demonstrate to me that you're able to compromise my security on ES5, I have no problems verifying that here or at ES5. You don't even have to reveal your methods if you don't want to.

[eivioolla]

Originally posted by random nut
You sound like a smart person, and I really mean that, but I just can't understand how you can fall for their constant lies and not question them and their program.

You know they're lying about their 15 million simultaneous users. How can you trust that their program is secure when they lie all the time?

Why you ask. Because I understand that the press releases and the PR is just a marketing trick to gain popularity fast.

I'd find it difficult to believe that someone would invest millions of dollars into "safe P2P" unless they know what they are doing.

The moment someone shows that it's not secure after all, their project would be flushed down the toilet.

It simply does not make sense that anyone would waste such amount of money into something that he knows will not work.

[eivioolla]

To continue, I don't know that their program is secure, but

1. I DO know that the methods they describe are secure if implemented correctly

and

2. I DO know that NO OTHER program is the least bit secure and NO OTHER program is even trying to be secure.

That's what I DO know.

[tMoD]

NO OTHER program is even trying to be secure.

*cough* Freenet *cough*

[eivioolla]

Originally posted by tMoD
*cough* Freenet *cough*

Freenet is not really a file sharing program. I use it sometimes and I hope it becomes usable some day, but so far, it simply isn't.

Sharing files with it is simply impossible as it is. It takes a week to "insert" a movie (with a 100Mbps connection that is) and when you hand out the CHK for it, no one is able to recieve it. Maybe NGR will make it better, but I doubt it.

And here's what Clarke himself says about FreeNet:

it *is* about freedom of communication, after-all not trading copyrighted
material.

Any effort specifically intended to target people interested in
copyright violation is an absolute no-no, that isn't what Freenet is
about

That means that they are not going to make anything just to improve FreeNet for filesharing, if it's not otherwise necessary.

[cheapprick]

*cough* Filetopia, Frost (I think that's what tMoD meant), DC *cough*

It depend what you call security. Frost is secure in the same way ES5 claims to be. Filetopia and DC are secure in the sense that they can be as secure as the owner wants them to be.

KL++ could be considered secure if you click the little box that prevents others from reading your shared files. Showing up for a single song is of little danger. Correct me if that doesn't work RN.

[Skeptikal]

I admire you, Random Nut....

[tMoD]

*cough* Filetopia, Frost (I think that's what tMoD meant), DC *cough*

Thanks, CP. I got Freenet and Frost a little mixed up.

[REDO]

Originally posted by eivioolla
Freenet is not really a file sharing program. I use it sometimes and I hope it becomes usable some day, but so far, it simply isn't.

Sharing files with it is simply impossible as it is. It takes a week to "insert" a movie (with a 100Mbps connection that is) and when you hand out the CHK for it, no one is able to recieve it. Maybe NGR will make it better, but I doubt it.

And here's what Clarke himself says about FreeNet:



That means that they are not going to make anything just to improve FreeNet for filesharing, if it's not otherwise necessary.

Ever heard of Frost?

http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/faq.html