What does everyone think of gnutella2 now?

[Deep Thought]

Just wondering what everyone's opinion of Gnutella2 or MP now that all of the controversy has subsided.

[Theinfamousone]

I don't really know that much about it, but I know that hashing is kind of annoying. It's better than the Winmx protocol and G1 from what I can see, and a few others, but I don't know if it could handle 5 million users like the FT protocol could. I guess he'll have to cross that bridge if he ever comes to it (I doubt it will get that big). Gnutella has huge problems with keeping the entire network united, also, G2 doensn't have that many users, so it's kind of hard to tell if the problems are with the protocol or the small user base.

[cpugeniusmv]

it's hard to tell, i rarely use shareaza without connecting to the other networks....i'm sure it's an efficient protocol, yet it lacks the users to really judge the integrity of it.

[Psilaxs]

Bleh, seems the same to me. no improvement.

[GPA]

I wish that when KaZaA dies (in terms of 'no working' OR 'pay 4 nothing subscription') I wish so much that everyone would go to G2/MP. Or just Shareza, I'd love to see how much it can handle before it falls apart. I know G1 and G as a whole has always had problems with keeping it together, I'd like to see how far it's come from back in the days when Scour Exchange was around.

Talking of Scour, damn how I miss that little proggie, I know it sucked compaired to these 'new day' proggies, but it had a big impact on me. I think i'd be great if Scour came back as a G2 network client, but I bet the name is still tm-ed.

Anyway, I'd love for G2 to be put to the test, I aint saying it's great, but I'd like to test it full the full 4 million KaZaA users.

-BoY

[isus]

g2 is one of the better protocol's i have ever seen... the only problem i have with g2 is unreliable download speeds... going full speed one second, 0kB/s the next...

[method77]

why would anybody vote "I love it! It's the best ever!"?

[GPA]

Originally posted by method77
why would anybody vote "I love it! It's the best ever!"?

I would if the theory behind how it works actually came out in the actual. If mike did his coding right and it can do what he hypes it up to be able to do, then sure, it deserves that vote, which is why I really wanna test it out.

Just like many of you may want a fast car, just to see how fast it goes, it doesn't matter really how fast it goes, but you still wanna see it, I wanna load Shareza up, and watch it crumble under the load, or watch it stun everyone from here to the outer reachs of deep space.

-BoY

[DIMA2001]

but I don't know if it could handle 5 million users like the FT protocol could

FastTrack can't handle its 5 millions...it can handle 10000-30000 users. Everything else is out of your sight.

Some numbers: (horizon[accessable number of peers]/network size)
KaZaA: 10,000-30,000/4,500,000
Edonkey (+ Overnet): 600,000-800,000/1,200,000
WinMX: dunno/1,000,000+
DirectConnect: 800/600,000 (while with 400 users you get more than with 5,000,000 on FastTrack)
Ares: 10,000/12,000
Gnutella one: 10,000-40,000/120,000
Gnutella two: several Millions possible/20,000 or more (didnt check latest numbers now)
OpenNap: 10,000 (a million+ possible)/300,000 (while with 400 you can get more than on FastTrack with its 5,000,000)
IRC: 50(per channel) - 10,000 XDCC servers on EFNet/1,000,000+
FTP: 1/no stats (you get more from 1 FTP than from FT with its 500,000 if you know where to search and have some connections)
FreeNet: Several 10,000 possible/ 500
HTTP: See FTP
XS: 800/50 (while with 400 users you get more than with 5,000,000 on FastTrack)
FileShare: see XS
etc.
etc.

As you can see, FastTrack is only modified Gnutella with encrypted HTTP headers while accessing other peers. The stats should be also similar to G1.

On DirectConnect/XS/FileShare you get more useful content than on the whole FastTrack (binary and video content) because there is a minimum share amount for different Hubs (1Gig to 100 Gigs min)

Have fun with the numbers.

You must notice that with Shareaza you gain access to:
600,000-800,000 ed2k users
20,000 G2 users
10,000-40,000 G1 users
and also several files on BT (on BT the number of users doesnt mean much because the most seeds are very fast and you can get from 1 seed with the same speed as with 100 peers).

[DIMA2001]

I don't really know that much about it, but I know that hashing is kind of annoying

On KaZaA you have no real hashing, it takes several bytes and then makes a number.
Because Shareaza uses both ed2k and gnutella(2), it HAS to hash the MD4 hash (ed2k), SHA1 (G1/G2), TTH (G2).

MD4 and SHA1 are very strict hash algorythmuses, they require your computer to go through every byte of the file and then compute the hash code on the base of the byte catalogue.

TTH is even more strict than SHA1 (it is based on SHA1):
it goes through 512k small chunks, hashes every chunk separately, saves the hashes into the tth catalogue and then hashes the whole file again (or does it only hash then the TTH catalogue?).

Because of 3 hashtypes, the times for hashing are 2xlonger than on emule - that's all. AND TTH is computed on-the-fly, while downloading the file, so, it doesn't take any time after the download is 100%.

So, actually, you hash only SHA1 and MD4. For an 700MB file my computer needs ca. 2-3 minutes (with moving the file). Sometimes less, but not more.

Have fun with the numbers again :)

You should see that the hasing algorythmus is not annoing, it is just 2x longer than on emule and emule hashes very fast. And he most time your computer needs for moving the files from the incomplete directory to the complete directory. It takes the same time on emule and shareaza, so the 'hash times' are nearly the same on the both clients.

And now again: have fun with the numbers :devil

[aqlo]

I used g2-only for weeks back when and have done so again a couple of times lately, I like it a lot because there is a very eclectic selection similar to the way gnutella has been but much faster.

Keep in mind that I prefer Old Time Radio and celebrity fakes over anything from the contemporary music scene though, if you are expecting 'britney.mpg' to be a song by that performer perhaps g2 isn't for you yet.

[nasrules]

I have to say that it's by far my favourite P2P, after BitTorrent. True, the download speeds aren't completely reliable, but if you get something with loads of sources (see PeerWeb.org) then you're fine. Shareaza is the best P2P app out there in a lot of ways, I can't see why anyone would use ML-Donkey for G2!

[method77]

I agree with the numbers DIMA2001 posted about all the networks. That's why I always thought that centralised clients where the best to use. I only use opennap and soulseek. Althought soulseek is trying a more decentralised way of sharing now but you can still search the whole network.

[DIMA2001]

actually, you can use nearly every decentralized network as a centralized one:
just setup a shareaza hub (let it become promoted to a hub) and tell everyone its IP - the users can use it as a central server and the server communicates with other servers and so builds up a network, it is so also on OpenNap, DC (DCG for some time, now it has been discontinued) or IRC (EfNET).
It is also possible to use ed2k centralized - just let all people know that you have a server. They will use it as a gateway.
On ed2k Adanet and Razorback are used by many users as _the_ central server. Russian ed2k users se the NNov Donkey Server as a gateway. So, ed2k _is_ relatively centralized.

So, actually, also Napster was a decentralized network - they had 7 servers. If the open nap developer would reverse ingeneer the protocol earlier, it could be possible to maintain more servers and Napster would be unstopable.
The Napster developers should think about this earlier and release the server software the same way as Jed (ed2k developer) did it - free.

Just a tipp for new p2p-generations with servers ;)

[DainBramaged]

Most people say G2 sucks because the speeds and # of files can't compare with Kazaa, or because it can't compare with the types/rarity of files on ed2k or BT. Well, gee guys, not everything is going to be the best of everything.

I think G2 is good on its merits though. I'm just not a user who particularily needs it. The speeds have always been great, often maxing out my connection within a few seconds, just like Kazaa. I've used the 1.9 beta a little, but the legacy clients still do a better job. The peeps are the Raza forums really want to do a good job though, given whatever limitations they have.