... very very stupid. Think about it. They say filesharing hurts CD sales. We say filesharing helps CD sales. No one really knows for sure. But let's just analyze what happens in either case:
1. P2P helps CD sales
if this is the case, WHY IS THE RIAA TRYING TO ELIMINATE SOMETHING THAT INCREASES ITS WEALTH? Are their experts stupider than us? Are they just afraid of change? Or is it ACTAULLY because:
2. P2P hinders CD sales
if this is the case, we can assume that P2P, unecumbered, would eventually cause CD sales to hit rock bottom, and the destruction of the music industry itself. Now we see a motive for the RIAA to prevent file sharing.
A question to you all, assuming File sharing damages CD sales, should it be allowed? And I mean P2P as a whole. Even though you may use it to get informed about artists and to eventually buy their CDs, we'll assume that most people use P2P to avoid buying CDs altogether.
I've bought exactly 1 cd since the RIAA started all of this heavy-handed activity. I don't plan on buying anymore until they stop, or until they collapse completely. One or the other IS going to happen. They are biting the hand that feeds them. So file-sharing is not hurting cd sales, the RIAA is!
The RIAA represents roughly 50% of musicians. By your handle I assume you listen to Vintersorg, and thus other metal bands on labels like Century Media, nucearblast, Earache, etc. You're not sticking it to the RIAA, you're sticking it to the bands. And unlike Virgin and Universal, metal labels are not rich at all.Originally posted by rainbowdemon
I've bought exactly 1 cd since the RIAA started all of this heavy-handed activity. I don't plan on buying anymore until they stop, or until they collapse completely. One or the other IS going to happen. They are biting the hand that feeds them. So file-sharing is not hurting cd sales, the RIAA is!
Despite all that, the looming question remains: If Mp3s help CD sales, then the RIAA would be supporting it, not thwarting it. This is either because:
1. The RIAA are morons and so are their experts.
2. Mp3s hurt the music industry.
That said I fully support P2P, especially if they destroy the music industry (for reasons beyond the scope of my original post)
The RIAA represents roughly 50% of musicians. By your handle I assume you listen to Vintersorg, and thus other metal bands on labels like Century Media, nucearblast, Earache, etc. You're not sticking it to the RIAA, you're sticking it to the bands. And unlike Virgin and Universal, metal labels are not rich at all.
I do like some metal bands. I don't know the labels you mention. My handle is the title of a song by a band from the 70's called Uriah Heep. They were sort of a metal band, for lack of a better catagory. Who is Vintersorg? I would like to hear them.
oh goodness you're right. i forgot Vintersorg did a cover of uriah Heep's song, heh.Originally posted by rainbowdemon
My handle is the title of a song by a band from the 70's called Uriah Heep. They were sort of a metal band, for lack of a better catagory. Who is Vintersorg? I would like to hear them.
Sure, Vintersorg are a progressive metal band from Scandanavia, focusing on melody and at times folk elements. kind of strange band but I like some of their stuff. You can google them for more info, or DOWNLOAD THEIR MUSIC LIKE I DID :)
Thanks my friend, I will do that.Originally posted by killswitch1968
oh goodness you're right. i forgot Vintersorg did a cover of uriah Heep's song, heh.
Sure, Vintersorg are a progressive metal band from Scandanavia, focusing on melody and at times folk elements. kind of strange band but I like some of their stuff. You can google them for more info, or DOWNLOAD THEIR MUSIC LIKE I DID :)
That's all well and good but you're missing the point:Originally posted by Dealie
I'm waiting for them to go bankrupt.
Why is the RIAA attacking something that (according to this website) helps them sell CDs?
a) They're morons, and so are their researchers.
b) They're afraid of change
c) P2P hinders CD sales
d) Other (specify)
because they will embrace it, once they have their claws into every aspect of it that will give them the monopoly on it.Originally posted by killswitch1968
That's all well and good but you're missing the point:
Why is the RIAA attacking something that (according to this website) helps them sell CDs?
a) They're morons, and so are their researchers.
b) They're afraid of change
c) P2P hinders CD sales
d) Other (specify)
once a greedy, basturd leech.......always a greedy, basturd leech.
i have long thought they were in on p2p a long, long time ago.
they r just waiting to pounce.
If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain
But P2P HELPS their "big fat cash cow", how can they be afraid of losing it?Originally posted by Dealie
Just morons very very afraid of loosing their big fat cash cow.
Lamourlady I'm a bit confused. Monopolize what exactly? Authorized downloads? CDs? Both? Music in its entirety?
monopolize every avenue of how anyone gets their tunes off the internet, or for that fact, how they listen to them (ie)streaming music & internet radio).Originally posted by killswitch1968
But P2P HELPS their "big fat cash cow", how can they be afraid of losing it?
Lamourlady I'm a bit confused. Monopolize what exactly? Authorized downloads? CDs? Both? Music in its entirety?
this including every p2p app out there.
until they can gain back the way music is distributed, they live in fear of their livelihoods and instill that fear in a handful of people, in order to get what they want.
for us to stop getting music for free and to give them their piece of the pie.
i can't understand why u have any confusion on this topic.
it is old and pretty straightforward.
or didn't u know that the riaa do hold a monopoly on how music is distributed and now wish to hold the keys to the internet???
and that they r complete dirty basturds???
If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain
i use to buy cds like mad but now that the riaa has do what it has done i naver buy a cd agin and mpaa is next if they follow the same trak :fire
The attacks by the RIAA are more about control than profit. A technology that can not be controlled is inherently dangerous to them.
If the current trend continues, the need for the recording industry will diminish. Bands will no longer need to sign a record contract in order to gain recognition. the majority of them will not lose much money, since their take of record sales is only a tiny fraction anyway. In the end, the entire industry, and thus the jobs of those who work for the RIAA could be lost.
Even if in the short turn we are, in fact, contributing to record sales, P2P will in the long run have a very negative effect on this industry.
Let me see if I understand your reasoning:Originally posted by Lamourlady
monopolize every avenue of how anyone gets their tunes off the internet, or for that fact, how they listen to them (ie)streaming music & internet radio).
this including every p2p app out there.
until they can gain back the way music is distributed, they live in fear of their livelihoods and instill that fear in a handful of people, in order to get what they want.
P2P helps CD sales, making the RIAA richer. However, if the RIAA can take over P2P, perhaps by putting in a pay-per-download system and eliminate free downloading, they can make even more money.
I suppose that would make sense, however the road to P2P destruction is years and years of litigation, money, time, and in the end it's self defeating. Why aren't they simply letting people download, thereby increasing CD sales, and they can reap the rewards?
Fabulous post. I think the 'control' argument may hold water. Except money and control are inexricable. I don't think they would pursue anything without a dollar sign on the horizon. Do you think by eliminating P2P the RIAA has the potential to make more money?Originally posted by Muffin_Man
The attacks by the RIAA are more about control than profit. A technology that can not be controlled is inherently dangerous to them.
If the current trend continues, the need for the recording industry will diminish. Bands will no longer need to sign a record contract in order to gain recognition. the majority of them will not lose much money, since their take of record sales is only a tiny fraction anyway. In the end, the entire industry, and thus the jobs of those who work for the RIAA could be lost.
However I don't understand why the RIAA would simply dissolve if P2P was allowed to continue unabated. The RIAA is a lobby group for the government that serves many functions. Even if the RIAA all of a sudden lost its function as a representative body, they are merely a tool of the labels and are ultimately controlled by these labels. If the RIAA is not needed, the labels will GLADLY disband this rather expensive lobby group.
This is a VERY serious claim. In short, you are saying P2P will bring the eventual destruction of the music industry, exactly what the RIAA have been telling us all along. Do you really believe this, and if so, do you support this demise?Even if in the short turn we are, in fact, contributing to record sales, P2P will in the long run have a very negative effect on this industry.
P2P COULD help the musician. P2P COULD HAVE helped the music industry, but the RIAA and the like have alienated themselves from their potential customers.
I will NEVER given them money hungry SOB's a red cent.
I encourage musicians to market themselves thru alternative measures. This is the information age....who needs "the man"?
Memo to musicians....get your money by giving your fans what they want.......the death of the industry......do it without them.
I bet that gives the RIAA chills down their spine....imagining music WITHOUT their stupid copyright on it. Music WITHOUT THEM.......ooohhhhhh.......how would that be possible?!!! Music without the industry.........oh my God....that's Blasphemy to "the man".
Do you mean P2P helps the music industry by encouraging CD sales?Originally posted by Ne007
P2P COULD help the musician. P2P COULD HAVE helped the music industry, but the RIAA and the like have alienated themselves from their potential customers.
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