Check this website out
http://www.pro-music.org/
I love the did you know bit:
"Using a peer-to-peer service can give anyone using the same service access to files on your computer "
You don't say! I hope not two many people read this - it could be the end of p2p!
Did you know?
"The creative copyright industries in Europe, including music, accounts for between 3 and 5% of gross domestic product."
Doesn't that just show the excessive profits they make? That or we are all poorer than I thought!
Flashy new website , same old sorry message. I wonder how much the no name artists got paid thier testimonials?
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Since its inception almost 30 years ago, the internet has been transformed from a primitive device for sharing thoughts and ideas, into a massive network where people pay to connect and read advertisements they don't want, while calling each other "asshats".
Mmmmmmmm intresting site.
I like the quote from the Russian lesbian band Tatu:
"Please don’t steal our music if you’re really smart guys."
mmmmm tempting
theres a another bit on the site:
"P2P software users, you do more than simply download files. You probably also make files on your hard drive available for copying by others. Not only does this make you a potential illegal distributor, it also means that whenever you're online, every other network user around the world (and there are tens of millions of them) has the ability to access your hard drive.
If you want to do the right thing - and, not incidentally, keep strangers out of your hard drive - you should disable your P2P software's uploading capability. Click HERE to see how to do that in KaZaA."
whatwhat what?? strangers in my hard drive?? quick! i must delete everything!
Di-rect
"Be a real fan, support us and other bands - pay for our music!"
Just more proof that its all about the money and not the music no more.
I guess Im not a real fan of shitty corporation music. awww.
Well I certainly pay for the music I like. Whether you want to believe it or not, studios are outrageously expensive for the working-joe (the vast majority of artists). It's not always about money, sometimes it's just wanting to be able to afford production costs without a second job.Originally posted by Siskabush
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"Be a real fan, support us and other bands - pay for our music!"
Just more proof that its all about the money and not the music no more.
This website makes good points about some of the myths, but they're horribly skewed about others. Too bad THEY don't have a forum we could rant on. They denounce P2P for all the wrong reasons. And recruiting artists (both big and small at least) to advertise their cause by no means gives it creedance.
If you don't like the music, don't listen to it. If you like it, pay for it. Music is no less property than your computer. Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies. I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food). Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money. It never was intended to be a medium for peole to steal property with impunity. OK, you hate the music industry. Big deal. I hate the supermarket industry, but that doesn't give me the moral (or legal) right to take anything I want from the shelves for free. And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform? Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke.Originally posted by Siskabush
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"Be a real fan, support us and other bands - pay for our music!"
Just more proof that its all about the money and not the music no more.
I guess Im not a real fan of shitty corporation music. awww.
If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them. If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it. But stealing is still stealing.
Certainly you can sell music, but once you have sold it, you can't retain ownership of it. That wouldn't be selling.
By the way, how is digital information and hardware the same thing?
As for your hotdog example:
If you don't like Zeropaid, don't read what's written here.
Major new threat to P2P!
Nice website it shows it all about the money. Dont forget they have to pay for artist endorsements. lol:ass :ass :ass
Smile!
>>I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers <<
In the UK the average price of a cd is £13. The average 'hard-working composer' will make about £1.20 per cd if they are moderately successful.
The rest of that money will go to the record shops and record companies.
I’m not sure how much the record shop will make compared to the record company, but you can be pretty sure that the record company takes the biggest slice of the profits.
It's a classic dupe from record labels to tell their artists that file sharing is where all their royalties have gone.
The recording artist Janis Ian said in her article about file sharing:
"The normal industry contract is for seven albums, with no end date, which would be considered at best indentured servitude (and at worst slavery) in any other business. In fact, it would be illegal."
If cds were cheaper i would not feel the need to file share (except for out of print / rare files)
If i knew the average artist was getting a proper wage out each cd i would buy their cd if i liked it.
If we are stealing, then it’s from the record companies. I'm certainly not going to pay for another record company executive’s line of coke.
It’s the record companies that steal from the artists. They call the shots.
oh, my.Originally posted by deserttrader50
If you don't like the music, don't listen to it. If you like it, pay for it. Music is no less property than your computer. Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies. I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food). Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money. It never was intended to be a medium for peole to steal property with impunity. OK, you hate the music industry. Big deal. I hate the supermarket industry, but that doesn't give me the moral (or legal) right to take anything I want from the shelves for free. And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform? Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke.
If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them. If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it. But stealing is still stealing.
geez, i wish i had the time to answer this post properly, but i must get ready for work.
but.............i will be back tonight to tear this piece of shit apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain
If you don't like the music, don't listen to it.Originally posted by deserttrader50
So how do i found out about other not so well known bands? How do i find out if they've only got 2 good songs on the album, or if it's worth shelling out £13 ( $21.59, €18.21).
If you like it, pay for it.
No problem, i do this.
Music is no less property than your computer.
Yes, but whereas i can get good competitive prices on computer hardware this doesn't exist in the music industry because record companies band together to keep prices high and if, like in the UK, supermarkets start stocking CD then the record companies start to bitch about it because the prices are lower.
Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies.
LOL
I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food).
Ok, now you're just being needlessly offensive. I pay for lots of things and am getting taken for a ride by ridiculous prices, 17.5% tax on CDs!
Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money.
Actually no, the internet started off as ARPANET which was used for both military and research purposes in the US and was funded by a government agency called ARPA. Obviously more recently ISPs have helped, governments have ploughed money into encouraging people to connect to the internet.
And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform?
Absolutely no problem, from what i've seen recently they seem to be doing fairly well as it is.
Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke.
Well, it shouldn't be about the money it's about them enjoying what they and they're perfectly within their rights to make money from that.
If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them.
Not a fan!
If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it.
No probs for me.
But stealing is still stealing.
Yep, it's just a shame that the record companies seem to be stealing from the artists and are deperately seeking things to blame for falls in CD sales. The fact that many economies around the world aren't in the greatest state at the moment, this can be seen in quite a lot of countries in Europe where the rate of unemployment has risen a lot, how many unemployed people do you know that go out and spend money on CDs?
The things that people stop buying when the 'chips are down' are non-essentials i.e music, going to the cinema etc.
I personally believe that record companies are looking for excuses to keep prices up.
PS:Because i'll be standing at the door.........waiting, oh and then you'll have a fun time finding 'stolen' mp3s on my Mp3 player because they're all recorded off my CDs that i bought and paid a fortune for.deserttrader50's signature
If it is okay to steal from composers, why can't I come into your house and steal from you? I think I'll take that MP3 player...
PPS: I hate being bored.
With statements like disable uploading all the stupid users on Kazaa might do it. If kazaa can't get shutdown by the music industry etc. they could get shut down due to lack of content, which i think is highly unlikely.Originally posted by broadwayrock
Mmmmmmmm intresting site.
I like the quote from the Russian lesbian band Tatu:
"Please don’t steal our music if you’re really smart guys."
mmmmm tempting
theres a another bit on the site:
"P2P software users, you do more than simply download files. You probably also make files on your hard drive available for copying by others. Not only does this make you a potential illegal distributor, it also means that whenever you're online, every other network user around the world (and there are tens of millions of them) has the ability to access your hard drive.
If you want to do the right thing - and, not incidentally, keep strangers out of your hard drive - you should disable your P2P software's uploading capability. Click HERE to see how to do that in KaZaA."
whatwhat what?? strangers in my hard drive?? quick! i must delete everything!
Favorite P2P Programs
KazaaLite...(K++)
PTC client(Bittorrent)
Emule(plus mod)
Packetseek(IRC)
Originally posted by deserttrader50
If you don't like the music, don't listen to it. - Thats why I dont listen to it, I dont listen to the radio, Muchmusic, MTV, nothing.
I download because I love European hard trance, something that is extremely obscuere in Canada. I mean, the music stores have maybe 5 different albums of trance, and the rest brittney spears or Jlo garbage.
If you like it, pay for it. - I payed 30$ for a rare Rave-o-lution CD I managed to find.
Music is no less property than your computer. Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies. - Actually its like getting your money back from the RIAA for thier price fixing.
I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food). - Everytime i hear a great tune on the Internet radio (Digitally imported), I cant really afford to wait 2 weeks to send away to germany + pay the 30$ for the CD.
To download, it takes 1-5 minutes, and costs me that much time.
Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money. It never was intended to be a medium for peole to steal property with impunity. - What the other guy said.
OK, you hate the music industry. Big deal. I hate the supermarket industry, but that doesn't give me the moral (or legal) right to take anything I want from the shelves for free. - Man if i could duplicate a pizza like i can duplicate a file on my computer, i guess i would be taking all the food i want.
Also, The RIAA has price fixing, and a monopoly.
Supermarkets have competition, and better prices.
I can get 6 12" pizzas at Superstore for 18$. Wheras i can only get 1 CD with 2 good tunes on it for the same price.
And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform? Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke. - Maybe the RIAA shouldnt take 90% of the artists profits. Im not supporting corporations who sit on thier ass and get $$ from the sweat and talent of other people. We aint hurting the artists, were hurting the corporations that hurt the artists.
If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them. If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it. - I dont listen to it.
But stealing is still stealing. - Im suprised you didnt mention how the RIAA price fixes to steal from us.
SHUTUP!!! ALL OF YOU!!! SHUTUP!!!
Originally posted by TipYourBartender
For shizzle my nizzle, its the TYBizzle hizzle.
Chizzle's avizzzle is the shizzle!!!!
Yo, TYBizzle didnt get no spizzle from cpugizzle.
What the dizzle, homes?
I have no idea what I just wrote.
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