Wy is P2P not stealing? Second time around!

[MGump]

Hello,

Apparently whoever it is that responded to my earlier post on this subject had the power to "close" the thread. I guess that means you are not open to debate on the issue. I can understand that it can be tiresome to go over the same issue time and time again if you have done so but such is the cost of being civil. I hope you will reconsider your actions, reopen the prior thread and point me in the direction of postings that explain what you apparently don't care to take the time to explain. I would appreciate your efforts. I think you have mistaken my post as indicating I am not willing to listen to counter arguments on the subject. Nothing could be further from the truth on my part. Are you open to hearing opposing reasons on the subject? If not, why not?

Below is the response that was received to that prior thread within minutes of its posting:

"We do not care to. We get one of you a month, if not the same one over and over again, and frankly, I am tired of the nonsense, if you dont get it, you just dont get it, but you will not be our problem."

I don't think I am your problem either. I believe that you are your own problem because you won't make the effort to consider that there may be a better answer to the question or that the position you take may cause bigger problems than you realize in the long run. Or.... maybe if you took the time to voice your reasons, I might be convinced you have a valid point of view and change mine. None of that will happen if the conversation is nipped in the bud and not allowed to flow.

[cheapprick]

Personally, I'm glad you never got the message. I mean hey, the mods are just there to offer speed bumps right? Work around them when you know better than them.

Do you have any contacts that could get me releases faster?

[The Hunter]

This has been discussed here time, and time again. We do not need to hash this over again. Use the search option, and see if any of the threads are still open. PS I also have the ability to close threads.

[MGump]

Thanks for the suggestion to search for old posts on the subject. Any suggestions on what string to search for?

[Krell]

Yes I said it, everyone saw when I said it, and it still stands. This is a P2P portal, if you do not understand that we share files, its your right to, but we are not obliged to defend our position with you,

Thank you, and good bye again,


ps: if you keep it up I will just ban you for being a nusense.

[The Hunter]

As to what to search for use your own judgement, as when you hide as showing off line, and refuse PMs, you just fit all of the usual catogories of our continuing line of Trolls.

[Sephiroth]

You just asked alot of questions and just want people to tell you what you want to hear and just like the "does god exist" and "usa vs canda" threads these always end up in a pointless flame war..

And your assuming things based on sterotypes invented by the RIAA and tradegroups which people actually believe as true and some even act those sterotypes out.

File sharing is no different than a internet search engine the user chooses what they do with it. Since in your profile you say your a computer consultant and im sure you know that warez are on many different places that just file sharing.

Because real file sharing users at least before the lawsuits, and etc were fans. For narrowminded people to think otherwise is just sad. And then the same record companies who have alienated their customer base, labelled them as petty criminals, lauch attacks to them, lobby to get the right to hack people's pcs, try to cableize music and try to force DRM at every oppotunity wonder why their pay serivces have failed while ones that seem to be half way decent like itunes has been more popular in one week than the other subscription services have in their entire lifespans.

Which its easy to use file sharing as a scapegoat for the music industry but all the problems is not file sharing's fault.

Which the possibilities of file sharing and p2p is alot greater than you seem to think it is which i think is unfortante for you.

[Cleric]

I wont state my opinion because it has been beautifully put by the mods and others that have responded.

I personally dont understand why you came here to push the issue.
It seems as if your goal is create some kind of negative conflict on this site.

I stand behind the mods 100%. Read their response and you will find mine as well.

[Dealie]

You made the mistake of trying to have a discussion about actual issues here.

This is not acceptable. please keep your post topics to complaints about kazaa, meaningless crap, discussions about boobs, flames, and posts pointing out how many posts you have. then you will fit right in.


Enjoy your stay at zeropaid.

[The Hunter]

Dealie, I have tired of your flames about the site, and this topic has been discussed here before.

[Dealie]

What did i say that was inaccurate?


Point it out and i will gladly edit it.

Also. How is any new user supposed to know it was discussed before? the search function returns no results for the word "stealing".

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Dealie
What did i say that was inaccurate?


Point it out and i will gladly edit it.

If you just want to troll and instigate flaming then stop wasting everyone's time and go elsewheres.

[Crazy Horse]

Ooo Ooo...I want in on this one. Attention trolls - look to the left of this post. You will see my name - look at what it says next !! You have been warned.

Damn you guys (Krell, Hunter & Seph) you always have all the fun.

[MGump]

Thanks for your reply Sephiroth.

You stated in your post:

"File sharing is no different than a internet search engine the user chooses what they do with it."

That is an interesting analogy that I have not considered before. I wonder if it is valid. I understand that people who put content on web pages expect others to search for and find that content and don't have any expectations that they will get paid for the content unless those users end up buying something as a result of that web content. If the same thing is true of P2P file sharing then are you saying artist who record and sell copies of their recordings should expect copies to be distributed with no compensation to them because P2P file sharing makes that possible on the web just like search engines make it possible to find web content?

Maybe P2P fans don't have any argument with the artist being paid but rather with the large recording company's making too much profit. Is that really the position P2P fans take in your opinion? I can see where that could be a valid point.

BTW, I agree with you that flame wars are usually not very productive and that is why I don't participate in them and appreciate people like you who don't either. Thanks for your reasonable response.

I realize that I am discussing this issue with people who have strong opinions that seem to be counter to mine and that is a very good reason to expect that I might not be right. I could easily be wrong and, if so, am asking for people's opinions to show me where my logic or information might be faulty.

[isus]

if i was a mod, i woulda closed this the moment i saw it. threads like "second time around" after a thread has been closed undermines the authority of the mods.

why is p2p not stealing?

why is buying a legal cd not stealing? the artist who made the cd will not see your money. the big wigs at music company's will... it pads their wallets.