What happened to Gnutella 2?

[Theinfamousone]

I haven't heard much since Mike release the specs on G2, or MP or whatever you wanna call it. Has anyone tried to make a G2 client? What has Vinnie and all them said about it?

[nasrules]

to tell the truth, i don't think another g2 client is needed. shareaza is, in my opinion, the client with by far the best gui and features. g2 is great for verifieds (PeerWeb.org) as it's relatively small size gives it a significant advantage over fasttrack, whereas with the new releases you can max-out your speeds, unlike with edonkey.

[method77]

the real question is: What happened to Gnutella

[nasrules]

it was shite from the day it was conceived ;-)

[Theinfamousone]

The gnutella protocol needs to be overhauled to be more FastTracky. I guess they are working on it, but it has no users.

My friend on a mac uses limewire, he can have it open for days and no one will ever download from him. The searches are crap.

[p00n1s]

Originally posted by nasrules
to tell the truth, i don't think another g2 client is needed

What about clients for other platforms?

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Gnucleus is supposedly going to adopt G2.. and then of course all the GnucDna clients..
Actually Swabby is coding GnucDna for morpheus at the moment.. (that's what I heard..i'm not sure about it)
So Morpheus might actually do it first...

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
The gnutella protocol needs to be overhauled to be more FastTracky. I guess they are working on it, but it has no users.

My friend on a mac uses limewire, he can have it open for days and no one will ever download from him. The searches are crap.

You mean more fake files, and the number one target of the "anti-p2p" companies and the trade groups?

Unlike the other protocols gnutella is constantly being looked at to be made better. Which IMHO is alot better than protocols like fasttrack or DC and others which havent been changed in at least over a year.

Your friend probably has a older verison of limewire?

With the download mesh you can find alot of sources and gnutella is great for some files.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
I haven't heard much since Mike release the specs on G2, or MP or whatever you wanna call it. Has anyone tried to make a G2 client? What has Vinnie and all them said about it?

Gnucleus seems to be pushing forward with G2 support. Swabby (lead programmer for Gnucleus) is now apparently being employeed by Morpheus to code GnucDNA for them. Not suprising since all these client companies (Morpheus, Grokster, iMesh, Kazaa) have other people code their client, and all they do is stuff it with spyware.

In addition, there is a *NIX client in development called "G2Wire" and some other one too I believe. And mldonkey is apparently adding G2 support. I also heard rumors that someone is going to code Acquisition with G2 support (Acquisition is pretty much the leader in Mac clients).

Regarding other Gnutella clients adopting G2, I really doubt it at this point. I'm not going to speculate on any personal reasons why they're not using it (I'm sure there are some) but ram (developer for GTK) said that he didn't like UDP in the protocol. The GDF seems commited to extending the current Gnutella protocol, rather than whiping the slate clean and starting over (which I can of course understand). Good luck to them.

[Sephiroth]

Only because all the problems that a UDP protocol especially with firewalls. Other UDP protocols havent been that large and weather or not it can work on a large scale is still not known.

Plus "gnutella2" is Mike's Protocol its not really anyone elses i mean shareaza has the advantage on that network and like i say if details are going to take months to get posted then there is no way that gnutella2 can be competeitive and users suffer when programs arent competitive which is why its really only users with some programming knowledge are the ones who it seems are implementing it and since most is just rumors i wouldnt count on it since those usually arent committed enough to put any kind of stable release out..

In the end the conflict that it caused has not only failed to change people's prespective on gnutella but it still hasnt done anything to help gnutella compete against other networks.

[cpugeniusmv]

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/05012003e

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
You mean more fake files, and the number one target of the "anti-p2p" companies and the trade groups?

Unlike the other protocols gnutella is constantly being looked at to be made better. Which IMHO is alot better than protocols like fasttrack or DC and others which havent been changed in at least over a year.

Your friend probably has a older verison of limewire?

With the download mesh you can find alot of sources and gnutella is great for some files.

The only problems with FastTrack come from outside as you say, Gnutella's problems are all internal.

The fakes and viruses and anti-P2Pism and low tech savvy users, even the lack of rare content, have nothing to do with the fact that FastTrack takes a relatively small amount of resources, has better speeds, finds sources easier, a lot fewer queues and it's technically possible to search the entire network.

[Cenarious]

and it's technically possible to search the entire network. [/B]

And how is that, hammering with search more, lol youd be there for days :fire

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
The only problems with FastTrack come from outside as you say, Gnutella's problems are all internal.

The fakes and viruses and anti-P2Pism and low tech savvy users, even the lack of rare content, have nothing to do with the fact that FastTrack takes a relatively small amount of resources, has better speeds, finds sources easier, a lot fewer queues and it's technically possible to search the entire network.

Not at all. The anti-p2p companies, malicious and poorly coded or buggy severents do cause the most traffic on gnutella and degrades performance for everyone.

Fasttrack is more centralized than it leads you to believe. Not to mention that all the networks you mentioned are propierty or closed networks.

"rare" files is misued so much its not funny. Rare in p2p sense are very popular files where the demand for the file is greater than the supply(i.e. sources/bandwidth) to provide it.

For the vast majority of files it is not needed to search the entire network over. In fact you dont even need to search at all with things like magnet links.

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
For the vast majority of files it is not needed to search the entire network over. In fact you dont even need to search at all with things like magnet links.

i disagree with your last statement, in order to find sources for download you have to search the network, even with magnet links.