Death Metal Rock Music - Christian View on why rock music should be banned

[Shadow, Thief of the Sun]

Lets continue our discussion about connection between music and crimes/insanity/murders etc. Here's what i have - an article "Death Metal Rock Music" from some Baptist group. I believe that its quite stupid, but i'm not sure that you will feel the same. Take a look at some excerpts:

"July 3, 1999 (David W. Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061-0368, fbns@wayoflife.org) - Death Metal (also known as Black or Goth Metal, Shock Rock, or Grindcore) which arose in the 1990s in the United States and Europe, and has spread to Japan and other parts of the world, focuses on "a lyrical glorification of all things morbid and decaying" (Michael Moynihan, Lords of Chaos: The Blood Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground, 1998, p. 29). It is exercising a vast influence upon young people today, through recordings, concerts, and the Internet. "Between 1989-1993 Death Metal had become immensely popular worldwide, with bands drawing crowds in the thousands on an average night" (Ibid., p. 31). Black Metal "songs" exhibit a fascination with violence and death in general, murder, torture, rape, dismemberment, and mayhem. Death Metal groups have names like Venom, Extreme Noise Terror, Napalm Death, Unleashed, Darkthrone, Vicious Circle, Carcass, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, Dismember, Deicide, Entombed, Cradle of Filth, Necropolis, and Obituary. Tampa, Florida, has been a center for some of the most popular Death Metal groups, including Morbid Angel and Deicide. Another center for Death Metal is Scandinavia, particularly Sweden and Norway. Some of the groups also praise Nazism and celebrate pagan gods. All exhibit an anti-Christian philosophy. Lead singer for the Swedish band Unleashed, Johnny Hedlund, makes "fervent declarations on the necessity of destroying the Christian religion" (Lords of Chaos, p. 30). Deicide has songs about the joy of killing Jesus. Lead singer Glen Benton, who branded an inverted cross on his forehead, named his son Daemon (”master of the supernatural”). Deicide’s bass player, Eric Hoffman, says, “Death metal is Satanic. We relay our music all into Satanism.” Varg Vikernes of the Death Metal group Burzum worships Odin, the Viking god of war and death, “the enemy of the Christian God.

Rock music has always been associated with an anti-Christian attitude, an immoral lifestyle, and violence. The first rock concert in 1952 (called a Moon Dog Ball), which was organized by disc jockey Alan Freed, resulted in a riot that sent mobs of young people rampaging through the streets of Cleveland, Ohio. Riots, beatings, and stabbings occurred at other Freed concerts. Following a riot in Boston in 1958, rock concerts were banned in several cities and Freed was kicked out of the concert business. Freed, called by Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock "the original Pied Piper of rock & roll," allegedly was the first to apply the term "rock and roll" to the new Blues-based music. He died in 1965 at age 42, penniless and drunken. Freed well epitomizes the wretched history of rock & roll.

The members of the German Death Metal group Absurd, composed of three high school students (Hendrik Mobus, Sebastian Schauscheill, and Andreas K.), murdered a 15-year-old classmate in April 1993. The group also called themselves "Children of Satan." Band leader Hendrik Mobus stated in an interview that we are at "the dawn of the New Aeon, when Christendom will perish and a neo-heathen state will arise" (Lords of Chaos, p. 260).

A member of the French Death Metal band Funeral, Anthony Mignoni (who uses the pseudonym "Hades"), says he created the group "to spread my ideas based on the destruction of the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim religions, and on the purity and supremacy of the true Aryan race" (Lords of Chaos, p. 275). He was convicted of desecrating a grave in 1996. He and three others exhumed the body of Yvonne Foin, who had been dead 20 years, and placed a cross in the cadaver’s heart area. Another youth police believe to be associated with Mignoni, David Oberdorf, murdered a priest by stabbing him 33 times with a dagger. He then carved on the body after the man was dead. He had confronted the priest with the words, "I am possessed by the demon—I must annihilate men of religion!" Investigators found a collection of death metal CDs in the teen’s room, and neighbors testified that they had heard "gnawing music, hard and stressful" blaring from his room.

In April 1999, Death Metal lovers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold walked onto the campus of their high school in Littleton, Colorado, and brutally murdered 12 fellow students and a teacher and wounded 20 others before taking their own lives. Some of those murdered were picked out because they were Christians. Before they shot 17-year-old Cassie Bernall to death, they asked, "Do you believe in God?" She replied, "Yes," and they shot her. They laughed as they destroyed and mangled their victims. Witnesses reported that "they were just hooting and hollering, having the time of their lives." Harris and Klebold loved the most wretched forms of rock music, particularly Marilyn Manson and German "techno" and Death Metal rock groups.

Marilyn Manson rips apart Bibles on stage and says: "Hopefully, I’ll be remembered as the one who brought an end to Christianity. … Each age must have at least one brave individual that tries to bring an end to Christianity. ... No one has managed to succeed yet; maybe through music we can finally do it" (Spin, August 1996, p. 34). We have news for Mr. Manson. True Christianity will never end. Of those who believe on Jesus Christ for salvation, Christ promised they "shall not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Everlasting is a very long time. John Lennon once said Christianity will vanish and shrink; I needn’t argue about that; I’m right and will be proved right" (Newsweek, March 21, 1966). Lennon is gone. Church of Satan founder Anton Lavey, who exercised much influence upon rock & roll, said that Christianity would be finished if a representative of the Church of Satan could have just one hour on national TV (Lords of Chaos, p. 236), but LaVey is gone. Jimi Hendrix considered the laws of God a form of bondage and saw himself as a liberator of young people from Bible-believing Christianity (‘Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky, pp. 214,215), but he is gone. Famous Satanist Aleister Crowley, who had a large influence upon modern rock music and who has been glorified by rock stars such as Ozzy Osbourne, David Bowie, Graham Bond, the Beatles, and Mick Jagger, once offered himself to the Russian authorities to help destroy Christianity (Steve Turner, Hungry for Heaven, p. 92). Crowley is gone, though. After Marilyn Manson is gone, biblical Christianity will continue forever.

Why is it that it is rock music that is always connected with debachery and violence, and not classical music or "easy listening" or bluegrass or Christian hymns? The fact is that Rock corrupts. Rock injures. Rock maims. Rock kills."

You can read this article here > http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/deathmetal.htm

Notice the fact that this article is called "Death Metal Rock Music" and in the end author is mentioning track by Queen. Stupid approach towards music in general, i guess.

[TipYourBartender]

Well, guess I'm going to hell.

[Winphuk]

This contraversy has been going on since rock n roll started in the 50s. Crazy fundamentalists should go back to the zoo.

[aqlo]

If that guy was real he would be feeding the hungry and clothing the naked like he was told instead of bitching about these damn kids and their terrible music. And if somebody blew his eardrum out with some awful ozfest squeal he would just turn the other ear.

Jesus can't save / what He never forgave

[Wings_of_Azrael]

I can already hear one of these sleaze-balls slurring in their southern accent, "death metal rock music." They didn't even bother to make the distinction between Black Metal and Death Metal. Two entirely different genres that originated in two different continents, mostly dealing with entirely different topics/ideologies, with entirely different sounds/moods, ect., ect.

I remember reading one article by a guy claiming that all drums are evil and that contemporary Christian music itsself is evil for having them. He said it was because the drum beats originated in Africa, where the Africans would dance and worship their pagan gods to the beat of the drum. So basically, all Africans, South Americans, and cool Europeans are all going to hell (Asians too, for being Buddhist, Shinto, Taoist, ect) for listening to music with a groove. I give these people no credence whatsoever.

[Grandmasta]

wow, sensationalism. feel my shock and amazement.

I do agree that german techno is one of the most wretched forms of music there is, though.

[ZippyTheVengefulAlpaca]

I guess whoever wrote that never heard of Stryper.. saying that "Rock music has always been associated with an anti-Christian attitude, an immoral lifestyle, and violence." yes, Stryper, and other white metal bands that I don't know, where often antichristian... I hate it when people blame violent acts on music and/or video games, when its clearly a parents or natures fault. yea.. anyway, i'm off to go blastpheme and stuff..

[DETROIT]

These people in our world today need to take responsibility for their selves, ect their thoughts, actions. People like this need to stop blaming others. This just shows how weak their minds our. As long as know it is only music you are fine.

Peace! :shy

[Krell]

In 1984 . . I took a large group of teens to Dallas, Tx to see STRYPER, with their "Yellow & Black Attack " album.

At first I was suspicious of them, and I questioned the their motives and methodology. Spandex, big hair and make-up isnt a traditional tool to try to reach people in a spiritual sense.

Since I had hung out with the Rez Band, and Daniel Amos, White Heart, Steve taylor, etc, I was open to new ideas and the thought of being less conventional. I had a friend in a christian metal band, who was bashed in a news letter by David Wilkerson.

I watched these guys get a whole auditoruim of people with body piercing and mohawks to sit down while they played acoustic and acapella, which takes some talent. Afterwards I had the opportunity to talk to Micheal Sweet, and although he was barraged with young girls, I found him to be very genuine. These young men were not "anti-christian", they were original.

One thing I learned in that scene, is that none of these people are perfect, or deserve to be worshipped. They have their share of problems. It was the same with White Heart, or the Sweet Comfort Band, whom I still despise.
(not Amy Grant, she was a sweety, I asked her for coffee)

David Wilkerson once accused Elvis of being a Pied Piper, piping our kids to hell. Then he changed his mind. Then he changed it again. Then he bashed my friends.

I do want to say this. Contemporary christian music, has a history of immitating secular music. So if you have little to offer, or nothing more than spandex for a paycheck, then get out. I have a problem with these so called "christian raves" . . . Now I have been to raves, and I cant connect the dots.

The Resurrection Band, aka Rez Band, were some of the hardest rockers I ever met, anywhere. Glen Kaiser, Stu, Wendy, were also the most GENUINE people I had ever met. They were 100% real, no fakers.

Bottem line is, if you want first hand information, dont listen to the baptists, or the people who are really closer to Kevin Bacon than knowing anything about this subject, go find out yourself.

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[KurtCocain]

WTF,

look at the black music -- all that rap/hip-hop, etc trash - what the hell do they sing about: beatches, drugs, beatches, drugs, drugs, guns, murders, high competant in swearing.... that's superbly positive i guess and following the religious ideologies ...

[crazytrain]

Screw them they just want to draw attention to themselves.
I've been listening to all types of metal music for years and never once has it made me want to go kill someone.

It's just like KurtCocain said what about this music they call crap oops im mean rap.All it talks about is doing drugs.If I get arrested im going to blame it on rap music and tell the cops Nelly made me do it. :shy

[dogfood91]

Christians are saying music provokes violence? hahahahaha Religion promotes more violence in this world than ANYTHING else. Wars, the crusades, salem withcraft trials etc... I'm atheist and though i believe in the morals which religions "try" to teach they a a very poor way to teach them, especially when those trying to teach the morals rape little boys. Fuck that bullshit article.

[bobhss]

Originally posted by Krell
In 1984 . . I took a large group of teens to Dallas, Tx to see STRYPER, with their "Yellow & Black Attack " album.

At first I was suspicious of them, and I questioned the their motives and methodology. Spandex, big hair and make-up isnt a traditional tool to try to reach people in a spiritual sense.

Since I had hung out with the Rez Band, and Daniel Amos, White Heart, Steve taylor, etc, I was open to new ideas and the thought of being less conventional. I had a friend in a christian metal band, who was bashed in a news letter by David Wilkerson.

I watched these guys get a whole auditoruim of people with body piercing and mohawks to sit down while they played acoustic and acapella, which takes some talent. Afterwards I had the opportunity to talk to Micheal Sweet, and although he was barraged with young girls, I found him to be very genuine. These young men were not "anti-christian", they were original.

One thing I learned in that scene, is that none of these people are perfect, or deserve to be worshipped. They have their share of problems. It was the same with White Heart, or the Sweet Comfort Band, whom I still despise.
(not Amy Grant, she was a sweety, I asked her for coffee)

David Wilkerson once accused Elvis of being a Pied Piper, piping our kids to hell. Then he changed his mind. Then he changed it again. Then he bashed my friends.

I do want to say this. Contemporary christian music, has a history of immitating secular music. So if you have little to offer, or nothing more than spandex for a paycheck, then get out. I have a problem with these so called "christian raves" . . . Now I have been to raves, and I cant connect the dots.

The Resurrection Band, aka Rez Band, were some of the hardest rockers I ever met, anywhere. Glen Kaiser, Stu, Wendy, were also the most GENUINE people I had ever met. They were 100% real, no fakers.

Bottem line is, if you want first hand information, dont listen to the baptists, or the people who are really closer to Kevin Bacon than knowing anything about this subject, go find out yourself.

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Ok, surprise the crap out of me Krell. I personally don't like Rez Band's music, it's just not me, but I whole heartedly support their effort. They are JPUSA people and the JPUSA people put on Cornerstone, so I've also ran across Glen Kaiser (he was actually at the wedding last year) there.

When it comes to music, their is nothing evil about notes. Tourniquet, my favorite band, is hard Christian type music. I listen to all sorts of hard stuff in the Christian "genre". I grew up in a Fundamentalist Baptist Church, but I can't see how this guy and others like him think music is evil. I consider my self a "Christian" before I consider myself "baptist". Whatever comes out of a man's heart is what makes him evil.

[emohXc]

wow,
I must say that of the ? years I've been daily visiting this forum(like since the early stages of the whole "wall of shame" debacle) I've never felt compelled to actually say something until now. This kinda stuff just really bugs me. I'm a christian and I've been listening to underground hardcore and metal for years. actually, you'd be surprised how much of it is really good christian music. I'm sure TipYourBartender can probably name a few. I guess what I'm really getting at is that though there are so many "hyper-fundamentalist" christians out there giving my God a really bad name, not all of us are that bad to talk to. That's my two cents anyway. I guess I'll just crawl back into my little space now.

[CCSDUDE]

That's some funny shit....

Anyone ever come across that "Jesus Power Hour" mp3? It's an hours worth of crap by some hickish minister blasting Harry Potter for being the Devil's tool....

They had stupid ass "Ghost/Witch researchers coming in and 'giving the dope info' about it. Funny, huh?

Psychotic Christians crack me up....they seriously need to go jerk off or something...live alittle ya up tight jackasses! lol