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neoufo51 · **If Outlook is the devil.... -** February 24th, 2003, 07:47 PM

...Then what do you use so as to not have to use the evil Outlook with its many vulnerabilities? I'm still using it, but I wanna see what people think is the best alternative.

I also wanted to make a e-mail poll that did NOT include Outlook in it as thats what I'm trying to stray away from. Figured somebody needed to make one. I put up the top 5 alternatives people use, except for Opera and Mozilla mail, as they are better than Outlook in terms of vulnerability, but still lack a lot of features these and maybe other clients you guys can suggest have.

Rahwgwar · February 24th, 2003, 09:03 PM

Eudora

Rickio · **email clients -** February 24th, 2003, 09:40 PM

I've used all the email apps you have in your poll and thebat is the best.

peace

Galileo · February 24th, 2003, 09:51 PM

Put Outlook Express in your poll too, so you can see who sticks with it. I use it, works great.

Nothing keeps someone from sending a virus via email and having it come in via Eudora, TheBat, or any other email program. You can still get a virus.

If you want, just turn off your auto-preview and Javascript for it.

1. Go to VIEW, Layout, and uncheckmark Show preview pane.
2. Go to TOOLS, Options, Security, and pick "Restricted Sites Zone(more secure)"

There you go. Now no mime headers can be previewed and scripts can run.

( And be sure to Go into the Internet Options control panel and confirm that Javascript and Active-X off for your Restricted Sites zone. In fact, if you want, you can even custom tailor your own zone and have all kinds of options available to you. Select whatever you want to have on or off. :-)

Sockfulloflove · February 24th, 2003, 10:27 PM

i use good ol' YAHOO MAIL! lol

notbob · February 24th, 2003, 11:29 PM

yep web based email accounts are totally the way to go--you only download the messages you want, you don't have a bunch of extra garbage hanging around, you can check it from anywhere

neoufo51 · February 25th, 2003, 12:10 AM

Well, yeah. Web based accounts do the trick all right. I have 3 accounts, all web accessible. Yahoo for finance, shopping and forums as well as a spam decoy, my ATT account for my personal contacts, and my UC account for school exclusively. Its just that the filtering and options are pretty scarce in OE, and I'm looking for the absolute best replacement for it.

So far, I notice you can only do text email in The Bat! and Pegasus Mail has a really shitty interface and has annoying extensions so its a hassle just to check multiple accounts.

Rickio · **thebat! -** February 25th, 2003, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by neoufo51
Well, yeah. Web based accounts do the trick all right. I have 3 accounts, all web accessible. Yahoo for finance, shopping and forums as well as a spam decoy, my ATT account for my personal contacts, and my UC account for school exclusively. Its just that the filtering and options are pretty scarce in OE, and I'm looking for the absolute best replacement for it.

So far, I notice you can only do text email in The Bat! and Pegasus Mail has a really shitty interface and has annoying extensions so its a hassle just to check multiple accounts.

What do you mean by you can only send text email via TheBat!
You can send and recieve attachments.

Galileo · February 25th, 2003, 03:39 AM

He's talking about HTML.
inline viewable images, tables, stationery, letterheads, sound, flash, etc.

TheBat has an HTML email Viewer, but not for composing email, so what you'd have to do is compose an HTML page with an HTML editor and then email it with TheBat as an attachment.

TheBat's HTML viewer has been disassociated with the IE browser, so it turns off javascript, activex, and embedded mime-types. Which is essentially the same thing you would do if you did the instructions I just said above for OutlookExpress. However, with Outlook Express, you can compose email.

TheBat also does not use the Windows Addressbook (WAB). If you do manage to get some virus from a p2p program like KazaaLITE or something, some viruses open the WAB to obtain the email addresses of all your friends and use their own hidden internal built in SMTP to transmit itself to them.

Galileo · February 25th, 2003, 04:01 AM

Its just that the filtering and options are pretty scarce in OE

Huh?! Outlook Express has a wealth of filtering options in it. Much more than some Web-based email provider has, that's for sure.

In addition to mail rules and filters, many antivirus programs include exceptional plugins and features for Outlook including AVG, Norton, McAfee, NOD32, PC-Cillin, etc etc, but no antivirus programs that I know of support TheBAT. AVG will examine and screen all incoming, and all outgoing email messages for all known viruses, and optionally even at a footer indicating that your email has been checked. There are plugins that put a clickable button right in the Outlook Toolbar for you. These let you set scanning options, perform tests, configure, update dat files etc right from inside Outlook Express.

As far as mail rules, Outlook has more than webmail, THAT's for sure. Webmail services have a maximum that you cannot go over, and often it does not even include the ability to forward email, much less apply style or color changes.

To look at the filtering options in Outlook Express,
Go to TOOLS, Message Rules, MAIL RULES.

You can intercept emails according to people in the FROM line, words in the Subject line, words in the Body of the message, people in the TO line, CC line, priority, if it's from a certain one of any of your multiple accounts, by size, whether it has an attachment or not, and whether it's secure.

The functions you can then perform include deleting it, moving it, making a copy of it, forwarding it, highlighting it with color, flagging it, marking it as read, marking it WATCHED, or ignoring it. You can auto-reply to it, avoid downloading it from the server at all, delete undesirable ones from the server before it even arrives.

In addition you can maintain a Blocked Senders list, And Outlook has support for tons of Anti-Spam tools, but other email programs are unsupported. For instance an email can be identified as a spam message and then moved to a MightBeSpam folder, or even summarily deleted, however addins that support Outlook can also BOUNCE that email so that the sender thinks it's a bad/false email address and so they may take it off of their spam list.

In addition, the antispam plugins that support outlook can Nail that spammer by analyzing the headers, tracing the emails, urls, ip's, and send path of the SMTP server in the headers, including even de-coding OBFUSCATED url's, and then it will REPORT the spammer to the abuse division of their ISP for account cancellation, and/or report that open relay to blackhole lists.

There's searching and finding in messages, and if you have OUTLOOK as opposed to Outlook Express, you have advanced searching options, plus hundreds of COM ADD-INS that add extra features to it.

So when it comes to Rules and Filtering options, Outlook probably has the most options of all.

Infomouse · February 25th, 2003, 04:51 AM

Telnet directly to the mail server.

If there is an attachment, extract it and do a virus scan before opening.

Krell · February 25th, 2003, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by notbob
yep web based email accounts are totally the way to go--you only download the messages you want, you don't have a bunch of extra garbage hanging around, you can check it from anywhere

True true, altho I can't think of any web based services that have the filtering ability that Outlook or OE has. Hotmail only gives you 10 rules to apply. One is also limited on storage with web based email, however if you use email for its intended purpose, and not as an attachment mule, then you rarely have to save you mail off of the server. Come to think of it, I never have.

The beauty of web based mail is you can use all your bogus accounts to sign up for sweepstakes etc, and not use your personal account. I also hate anyone who forwards cute crap, or joke of the day, or "pass this along and you will . . . ."
I will what, stab you in the neck?

The Hunter · February 25th, 2003, 05:04 AM

A friend of mine used to think it was funny to attach bloody songs. A easy way to solve that problem was to send him inagaddadvida full length. That sort of messed him up.

Galileo · February 25th, 2003, 05:37 AM

Mail Rule:

Check Messages on server,
If sender = <ass sending me songs via email @ his-isp.com>
and
message contains an attachment,
then
Do not download it from the server.
Delete message,
Reply to <ass sending me songs via email @ his-isp.com>,
attach file <SlackwareLinuxCD1.ISO>
Send message.

Lamourlady · March 2nd, 2003, 01:30 PM

omg.
my brother did that.
emailed me a song.
it was James Taylor - Your Smiling Face.
his heart was in the right place, but for the love of...
i'm 56k.......me thinks he forgot.
i use OE and works great for me.
mind u.......i've gotten a much more indepth look at it.
thanks, Galileo.
your knowledge never ceases to amaze me.
;)

View Poll Results: What do you think is the best alternative to Outlook?
Eudora 5.2	11	42.31%
The Bat 1.62i	8	30.77%
Pocomail 2.63	2	7.69%
Pegasus Mail 4.02	4	15.38%
Calypso 3.3	1	3.85%
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Rahwgwar Offline Headstrong Posts: 773 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: So Cal Age: 24 Reputation Power: 126	February 24th, 2003, 09:03 PM Eudora To all my freaks out there: HOLLA if ya hear me. I can be characterized as the smartest dumbass and the dumbest smartass. My favorite P2P apps: Ares, Clean Blubster, BCDC++, Emule Plus, Shareaza, Bittorent

Rickio Offline Zeropaid Regular Posts: 1,941 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: So Cal Reputation Power: 205	email clients - February 24th, 2003, 09:40 PM I've used all the email apps you have in your poll and thebat is the best. peace

Sockfulloflove Offline Zeropaid Regular Posts: 1,583 Join Date: Aug 2002 Reputation Power: 184	February 24th, 2003, 10:27 PM i use good ol' YAHOO MAIL! lol

notbob Offline I say what I want Posts: 3,809 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: some town Reputation Power: 504	February 24th, 2003, 11:29 PM yep web based email accounts are totally the way to go--you only download the messages you want, you don't have a bunch of extra garbage hanging around, you can check it from anywhere

Infomouse Offline Zeropaid Regular Posts: 78 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Leeds UK Age: 54 Reputation Power: 86	February 25th, 2003, 04:51 AM Telnet directly to the mail server. If there is an attachment, extract it and do a virus scan before opening. "The way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you have started". So today I have finished a case of red wine, a litre of gin, a bottle of Jack Daniels, all my Prozac and a large box of chocolates. I feel better already!

The Hunter Offline Janitor Posts: 11,735 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Copperhead Road Age: 56 Reputation Power: 752	February 25th, 2003, 05:04 AM A friend of mine used to think it was funny to attach bloody songs. A easy way to solve that problem was to send him inagaddadvida full length. That sort of messed him up. Grow old along with me, the best is yet to be.

Galileo Offline Zeropaid Regular Posts: 308 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toscano Reputation Power: 98	February 25th, 2003, 05:37 AM Mail Rule: Check Messages on server, If sender = <ass sending me songs via email @ his-isp.com> and message contains an attachment, then Do not download it from the server. Delete message, Reply to <ass sending me songs via email @ his-isp.com>, attach file <SlackwareLinuxCD1.ISO> Send message. "Gallilo, Gallileo, Gallileo Let him go!" - Bohemian Rhapsody.

Lamourlady Offline Zeropaid Regular Posts: 853 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Reputation Power: 132	March 2nd, 2003, 01:30 PM omg. my brother did that. emailed me a song. it was James Taylor - Your Smiling Face. his heart was in the right place, but for the love of... i'm 56k.......me thinks he forgot. i use OE and works great for me. mind u.......i've gotten a much more indepth look at it. thanks, Galileo. your knowledge never ceases to amaze me. ;)