Can P2P die?

[GTA]

I just got done reading that open letter from the RIAA and it is pretty stupid. I don't get how they can stop P2P. They are making threats that they are going to sue Bearshare,Morpheus,Blubster,Kazaa etc. Who cares? If they shut down those programs I'm sure people will move over to other programs that don't have many users and those programs will get better. Its like if they shut down Kazaa,Shareaza Most people will move over to Ares and that program will be great. Then they will shut down Ares and there will be another program out. I don't think you can really kill P2P. We may have to move program to program but it won't get rid of us.
Who know we all may be using NeoNapster one day LOL.

[nasrules]

of course it can. if the internet dies, so does p2p. until then, no. well jus move. look what hapnd when napster died. evry1 went sumwhere else . itll happen agen.

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d-koolest: yeh i should rephrase that but i cant b bothered to work out wot i wanna say!!!! if that hapnd tho, the number of file-sharers would drop dramatically

[d-koolest]

Originally posted by nasrules
of course it can. if the internet dies, so does p2p. until then, no. well jus move. look what hapnd when napster died. evry1 went sumwhere else . itll happen agen.

People will of course just keep switching programs, but on a side note, I think it would be possible for p2p to exist w/out the internet, it would just be harder to get programs.:tilted

[anarcus]

p2p will die. but only when there is somthing better...
i'm sure within the next couple of years there will be a new system based on the same pricipals, but operating in a completly different manor..

as internet conections improve, more ppl on-line & new software packages emerges i'm sure P2P will not be missed as the next evoltion occurs

[tipsterno1]

p2p will never die, people just swap, I come from napster through imesh - A/G - mopheus - kazaa - shareaza thats just 4 music. the donkey network for other stuff , thats just the way its is people move on as long as you can get the files you want (and share of course) no ones bothered what the name of the p2p program is !!! :playboy

[12345678910]

Judge: Kazaa can be sued in U.S.

This is the latest development in the case involving Sharman Networks and KaZaA.

I beleive this may have a major inpact on the future of the program.

If KaZaA is ever totally shut down, it's users will just migrate to other P2P programs like we have done in the past.

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[TipYourBartender]

How's this idea...

Imagine for a second that everything wrong with the record industry was changed.

Imagine that CD's were cheaper. That more money went to the artists. That there was no copy protection. That every reason people give about why the record industry and the RIAA sucks was gone.

Would P2P still be around?

[12345678910]

Originally posted by TipYourBartender
How's this idea...

Imagine for a second that everything wrong with the record industry was changed.

Imagine that CD's were cheaper. That more money went to the artists. That there was no copy protection. That every reason people give about why the record industry and the RIAA sucks was gone.

Would P2P still be around?

Yes.

P2P is about more than just music. P2P deals with software, videos, images, and documents.

Now, If you are just talking about music. Would P2P still be around?

Yes.

Most level headed people probably would change a little bit and would go out and by a cd to either support the artist because they receive more money for what they do or because they don't want to go through the hassle of trying to find a full album on a network.

But, a lot of people are in the P2P social realm because they like to "screw the big business" to say. Those people will not change no matter what the RIAA does. They like to get the music for free because they can. The only way I see P2P in music going away is if the RIAA decides to give cds away for free.

Peace,
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[DigitalJunkie]

1234567890,

I don't think ppl download music just because it's free! First, most of the times you get only one or few songs you like on a CD. Secondly, they like finding finding new artists or songs before they buy, if they can find it.

Record industry need to start selling singles instead of cds, have those bands go on tours, or look at promotional marketing materials as additional income. Or, record labels will just die.

But, p2p will not die!!!

[skunnk1]

If you break down P2P, and put aside all it's implications of just "downloading free stuff", it is just defined as computers trading data directly with one another without a central server.
A typical example would be like Windows workgroups that you would find in an office setting, except that we are sharing through a wide area Network.
Contrary to popular belief, it is not a new technology.It's actually quite primitive.
As long as computers can Network, we can always trade files.
In some of these appz ,central servers can be used to accelerate the search process but they can run without them, just not as efficiently.
If P2P applications are forced to be completly decentralized, the RIAA and Hollywood will totally fuct because they only way to shut down these Peer to Peer would be to outlaw computers and the Internet altogether, so anyway you look at it, we win!

[MoonMan]

In my opinion, the sheer notion of p2p dying is stupid.. because it's not possible. Be it new networks, harder to close protocols, IRC, etc. No one can really stop it, unless every Windows computer on Earth stops working.

By the way d-koolest, your avatar ROCKS man! I love it.

[Sephiroth]

Can it die? Yes but is the threat really the RIAA/MPAA and other trade groups? not really..

P2P has alot of applications other than file sharing and has a very ligitimate purpose it people and the warez community use it as their distribution method then that is all them.

If the Trade Groups could simply sue File Sharing out of existance they would have done so a long time ago.. Unless they can get legislation passed that would allow them to be more agressive and even a bit oppressive then they wont get much farther than they have allready.

If anything they will continue to harrass their potential customers with there bots sending in TOS letters to their ISP.. Or it bandwidth limit isp plans take off which i doubt they will.. People should avoid those like the plague.

I believe that there are other threats that go unlooked and some people probably dont even consider them a threat. That is 1. the misconception that open source offers legal benefits which when you get down to it doesnt offer much more advantages from getting sued and shut down than a closed source program.

2. That more programs will pop up and replace the past one.. Notice there has never been an exact clone of napster that existed since napstered was shut down. Every program has done something different and that is sort of the natual selection of p2p at work. No one is going to clone napster because that would be insane becaues the outcome would be the exact same as napster.

4. That everything in p2p must be free then its ok.. Look programs are made by developers and all the major advancements in P2P starting with napster were commerical ventures.. Hobby programs arent going to be able to make major advancements theres a limit to what one person can do, open source "community" developer is unrealible some times there can be alot of people working on it and it progresses fast other times it lags.. The last thing p2p needs is unstable on/off development..

5. Is people looking to exploit networks/users, programs to benefit themselves and these are the "Anti-p2p" companies, malicious program providers, cloners, some "hacks" and tweaks, and etc..

6. People thinking that file sharing is just about piracy.. That is bullshit. In the beginning and all through napster the last thing anyone wanted to do and what any true p2p fan wants to do is to starve their favorite band, actor(ess), or software company so they cant continue to make what people enjoy. This whole idea that p2p is just about "getting shit for free" comes directly from the RIAA and trade groups propoganda from the beginning and unfortantely some people actually believe it and are only helping the trade groups by demonizing P2P and limiting its potential for other things.

[overdo]

can p2p die? yes. will it? that depends on a few factors:
firstly what MS do with DRM and palladium
secondly how far ISPs in America, but perhaps more crucially in the other parts of the world, go in complying with copyright laws and blocking p2p services.
thirdly, the tracking of p2p users by the RIAA, MPAA etc and prosecuting or copyright offences.

i personally am more worried about the second as that is the immediate threat but the others aren't too far behind.

[skunnk1]

Unless the law makes ISP responsible for P2P content, they can block some users by request, but to police every user on their network would be an enormous and EXPENSIVE task to perform.
You'd suppose they can block uploading, but what about those that need to upload files onto their website.
Alot of them can and do limit bandwidth that's used for uploading.
They can close certain ports,but that leaves thousands more to open.
As far as DRM and Palladium are concerned, there are many people buying systems today, for the purpose of being able to download and share files.
Another company, such as Linux, could put out a home operating system without these limiting technologies which would put Microsoft behind.
If not, then the whole computer industry will go down the drain, because why buy this whole system if can't do anything with it?
Also I believe the RIAA will procesute a few people to make examples and scare everybody, but how cost effective will it be to turn it into a legal agency with thousands of court cases?

[Psilaxs]

What frightens me is, when/if kazaa dies off, having to move to an inferior network :(