My 2 cents

[sleepischeap]

About the RIAA's claims that me downloading music decreases their sales. This is completely wrong. I have never bought music, nor would i if p2p wasnt around. You can't lose sales you never had in the first place.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

well im sure the bigwigs at the RIAA will be sleeping easier in their bed at nights having had your 2 cents.

[HansG]

heheh grab_grab you couldn't resist could you :-)

[collideous]

Originally posted by sleepischeap
About the RIAA's claims that me downloading music decreases their sales. This is completely wrong. I have never bought music, nor would i if p2p wasnt around. You can't lose sales you never had in the first place.

Hmm, I never bought a TV, nor will I ever. If I walk into the Circuit City, grab myself a TV set and run back out the door, did I create a loss? I never intended to buy one in the first place.

Now before coming back saying that a recording and a physical item like a TV are not the same, look at it more closely. In fact, the effects of downloading and sharing such goods as music are far worse than stealing a TV set. Afterall, you can't easily replicate the TV and pass copies over to friends.

Use file-sharing to sample music and explore, support the musicians who put their talents into making things you like to hear. It'd be a loss to mankind, if they hang their guitars to the wall, and go flip burgers at MacDonalds. Just like us, they have bills to pay too.

[nasrules]

good point collideous.

you say that you probably wouldnt buy the cds anyway. im like that but most people jus use that as an excuse.

[Ashitaka]

Originally posted by collideous
Now before coming back saying that a recording and a physical item like a TV are not the same, look at it more closely. In fact, the effects of downloading and sharing such goods as music are far worse than stealing a TV set. Afterall, you can't easily replicate the TV and pass copies over to friends.

But he said that he wasn't going to buy the CDs he's downloading anyway. So what does the RIAA lose from his file-swapping, besides the feeling of satisfaction they get from depriving someone from listening to their favourite music?

And if you argue that they're losing money because other people who would have bought the CDs are downloading it from him, well, he doesn't need to share his files :devil

[maartendc]

Actually, downloading music does affect me. There was a time, about a year ago or so.. when I bought a lot of music. But when I started downloading, I bought less and less cd's... Now, it's about 5 months ago since I bought my last cd or something like that...

[Fallout2man]

Originally posted by collideous
Hmm, I never bought a TV, nor will I ever. If I walk into the Circuit City, grab myself a TV set and run back out the door, did I create a loss? I never intended to buy one in the first place.

Now before coming back saying that a recording and a physical item like a TV are not the same, look at it more closely. In fact, the effects of downloading and sharing such goods as music are far worse than stealing a TV set. Afterall, you can't easily replicate the TV and pass copies over to friends.

Use file-sharing to sample music and explore, support the musicians who put their talents into making things you like to hear. It'd be a loss to mankind, if they hang their guitars to the wall, and go flip burgers at MacDonalds. Just like us, they have bills to pay too.

There is a very big difference. If he walks in and steals a TV, it deprives a paying customer of the right to purchase that TV. Wheras downloading a file deprives no one. Downloading does not decrease the value of the song itself, nor stop anyone else from purchassing and enjoying it. A TV on the other hand, has its value decrease with continued usage and DOES deprive someone else from legitimately purchasing it.

[wonderboy2005]

i guess im a hypocrite. i download all my music, but i agree with collidius.

if i get a file off the net, then start sharing it, even if i wouldn't have bought the music in the first place, it does hurt the artists/industry. if you didnt share that file, then others couldnt download it, and they might go out and buy the cd. buit if you do share it, then peeps can download it from u, and are most likely not going to buy the cd.

i thank you, collidius, for making me feel bad once again about downloading musc. and on christmas eve. have you no heart?

[Crazy Horse]

Use file-sharing to sample music and explore, support the musicians who put their talents into making things you like to hear. It'd be a loss to mankind, if they hang their guitars to the wall, and go flip burgers at MacDonalds. Just like us, they have bills to pay too.

I don't agree at all. I support the "artists" by attending their concerts. ( have you seen the going price for a concert ticket lately?!?!?!). I may also buy an occasional T-shirt. If the "artists themselves are distributing their own music I may buy their CD. I WILL NOT support the industry that rapes me in the store for a ****in CD that cost pennies to make. I WILL NOT buy their mansions or pay for the gas in their limos!!! Flippin burgers?!??! what a laff!

[Fallout2man]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse
I don't agree at all. I support the "artists" by attending their concerts. ( have you seen the going price for a concert ticket lately?!?!?!). I may also buy an occasional T-shirt. If the "artists themselves are distributing their own music I may buy their CD. I WILL NOT support the industry that rapes me in the store for a ****in CD that cost pennies to make. I WILL NOT buy their mansions or pay for the gas in their limos!!! Flippin burgers?!??! what a laff!

Actually you'd be paying for RIAA fatcats' limos and mansions. The artist gets very little of the profit from CD sales. There was a nice article written by Courtney Love that's about two years old, that describes it all pretty well.

[linusaurus]

That's your 2 cents, well here's my 2 cents.

We NEED filesharing!


Future generations will look back upon this 'war' mockingly. In the days of our grandchildren, filesharing will be widespread and people will think of it as senseless for those people back at the turn of the melennia (no, I can't spell) to have tried to block it. The same type of thing is prominant thoughtout history. The printing press was considered a tool of the devil. The argueing was, if books could be printed so quickly, people would stop writing them for lack of motivation. It would kill education. The churches did everything in their power to block it for as long as they could. They wanted to protect their own interests in spite to the general populace. The man who eventually did print out the bible was hung for it. Think if the printing press had never taken off, what would the world be like today? A more recent example is radio. Record companys did everything they could to kill radio. Radio would let people listen to the music for free, it would hurt artists, poeple wouldn't make music anymore, it was about the same old schpeel that we are hearing today, and when FM radio came out, they tried to block that as well. Then came the tape recorder, and VCR. File sharing is just the next step. We must fight to protect this as much as the people who fought to keep radio, tapes, and the printing press. Don't buy into their arguements that its going to ruin the lives of the poor musicians, its just not true. The promotion of file sharing is a good thing for everyone in the world with the exception of a few record company owners and executives who already have more money than they will ever need, and are living very very lavishly.

[gourou]

yeah!

[Tremaine]

these organizations are greedy they just want more money every penny of it. p2p does take away some of there money but looks everyone whos still famous is still rich. yes i still buy cd's, and the fact is you cant stop p2p these company keep p2p going they make the need to create better p2p networks to surpas old ones so yes in so ways the riaa is good for p2p.

[Hauk]

Well Linusaurus, the problem for them is, it's NOT file sharing at all. It's File COPYING against Copyrighted material. For it to be File sharing, things would have to be different.

Let's say I had a pie and I wanted to share it with you. I would split it in half, you take half and I take half. I can't magically duplicate the pie. That's what happens when you download music off the internet.

When someone is sharing a 4 minute song, and you try to download from them. Shouldn't you only get 2 minutes worth of song from them? Leaving the other person who shared with you, 2 minutes also? Isn't that what SHARING is?

Or lets suppose you get all of the song? Shouldn't the person you got it from be without the song until you upload it back to them?

It's not File Sharing. It's making illegal duplicates. So I understand completely what these guys are making a big fuss about.

Don't get me wrong though, although I understand, it doesn't mean that I care or agree with them. I don't care for the RIAA. I download music off the net sometimes too. It's actually been a blessing for me. I find it to be obscene to pay full $ for a CD when there's only 2-3 tracks worth playing, and 15-20 tracks worth of crap. Seriously, does anybody know a band that put out a listenable CD lately? Listenable meaning something I can sit back and listen to without pressing the skip button over and over?