Usenet- Newsgroups Give Better Access!

[DasFox]

Ok you saw that title and thought, what's this guy talking about?

Have all the junk files, viruses and getting no where on a P2P network got you down? Then you heard about Torrents, and found half the time you looked for something you couldn't find it, and then when you did there where more people leeching then seeding. Then later in disappointment you found out for torrents that all the good stuff is in private, invitational only servers.

Well if you're tired of running around looking for good public, or private torrent sites, can't get anywhere on P2P networks either, and you can't get an invite for a great torrent site, then maybe Usenet is the thing you've been looking for.

I remember a day when P2P really ruled, fast connections, you did a search, saw it, downloaded it, and not a crap load of junk files, and viruses. But todays Peer2Peer networks can be a difficult place to get something.

On P2P many times connections are difficult or slow, then you find something, you need either more sources, sit in a queue forever, or sit and wait for the file for whatever reason that won't download. Then when you finally get a connection for something, many times you end up with slow download speeds.

P2P clients seem to face more problems with speeds, viruses, etc.. when compared to torrents. Of course if you're just looking for music on a client like Limewire then you shouldn't face to many problems. It's when you are looking for other things the P2P networks can be difficult.

Torrents and P2P can be more of a pain when your stuck out there in the public, when all the good stuff seems to be private, and on invite only.

If you want to have a go at Usenet you'll need a client program to connect to it. If you get lost in all of this information, the programs, Grabit, Forte Agent, Newsleecher, News Rover, and Xnews are the more popular ones.

Here's some information on the various clients:

Newsreaders

Next get yourself a Usenet account. Here are the most popular ones:

Usenet Access

Rather then just surfing the Newsgroups with your client program of choice, there are now Usenet search engines out there to help you find your way around.

Here's one of the best Usenet search engines:

newzBin

Grab Newzbin fast because at times they close the sign ups when they get a lot of users, and they don't want anymore. They're really inexpensive, and a great service to have.

Here is what their payment info says:

"A premium newzBin account is currently 25 British pence a week. If you are in the United States, this is the equivalent of 50 cents a week. For Europeans, that's 35c EU a week, or for Canadians, 60c Canadian a week."

Here is some information to teach you the world of Usenet:

http://www.binaries4all.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://www.ibiblio.org/usenet-i/usenet-help.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1/

The downside to good Usenet service is it's not free, but then it's not that much either, and every Usenet provider has a different rate, so look until you find one within your budget. Most good ISPs in the USA will give you Usenet access, but don't expect much, but actually when you've never seen it before you will think it's great, but in time you will see the differences between what your ISP allows and a paid subscription.

The Usenet support you get from your ISP won't compare to what you get when you pay for it, but when you consider how much you can get every day 24/7, the little it costs isn't that much.

Paying for Usenet service gives you better retention, meaning things will stay on the server longer, plus there is greater access to more.

When you can't find something on the newsgroups be nice, make a request, and sooner or later it will hopefully show up, and the best part is you download as fast as your connection will go because you are downloading straight from a server, not like a P2P sharing network.

If you can't dish out the costs for Usenet service then check with your ISP. Most Good ISPs give free Usenet access, and whatever access you get from your ISP hopefully will be better then P2P and the public torrents.

With the addition of Usenet, P2P and Torrents you won't go wrong, because when you can't find it at one place you'll eventually get it at another. Play with them all and see which works best for you.

Be sure to READ: "Slyck's Guide To The Newsgroups"

http://www.slyck.com/ng.php

Have Fun! :icon_sunn

What's an internet?

[Krell]

If Zeropaid really cared to help you find your goodies, then they should of been pimping Usenet here long ago.

We were pimpin, and no, we dont r e a l l y care, we just dont legislate who uses what, where the fuck have you been?

P.S. I'm not pissed, mad, or any of the above, I'm just sharing some real info to show you something more real then P2P will ever be!

We couldnt care less, and It IS P2P, but thanks anyway.


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[DwarfBaby]

There's already a very vocal newsgroup bandwagon that has been here since the inception of this site. I am a proud worshiper of the Usenet deity of course and I spread the faith at every opportunity I get, either on this site or in real life.

I’ll agree that Zeropaid certainly doesn’t “Pimp” Usenet like it does the other networks and I’ve asked before for a Usenet forum category but alas the faith has fallen on deaf ears. However there’re many Usenet guru’s besides myself that “Pimp” the word of light in the underground here. I'm sure you'll be hearing from them shortly enough.

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[Excrement_Cranium]

Originally Posted by DwarfBaby

There's already a very vocal newsgroup bandwagon that has been here since the inception of this site. I am a proud worshiper of the Usenet deity of course and I spread the faith at every opportunity I get, either on this site or in real life.

I’ll agree that Zeropaid certainly doesn’t “Pimp” Usenet like it does the other networks and I’ve asked before for a Usenet forum category but alas the faith has fallen on deaf ears. However there’re many Usenet guru’s besides myself that “Pimp” the word of light in the underground here. I'm sure you'll be hearing from them shortly enough.

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But you are only 1/4 as obnoxious in your newsgroup whoring as some others.


NOW GO GET ME MY FILES, HOE!

[DasFox]

I'm sorry many of you misunderstand the point to this post.

It has nothing to do with being a Usenet Fanboy, Pimper, or Whore of the Foundation.

It's called using the best tool to do the job.

I just posted this figuring people here are trying to use P2P and get somewhere, and they're not going to when you compare it to what Usenet can net you.

That's all there is to it, simply put, use the best tool to get the job done.

Obviously people that use P2P are out to download.

Granted if all you're after are MP3s then P2P might suit you fine, but the second you want to get a Movie, Game, some App, or any very large file you're going to die 9 times out of 10, or even 100% of the time trying to get it, let alone even find it on P2P.

And as I mentioned before on Usenet if you don't see it at least you can make a request which usually always shows up.

AND actually I was just trying to be a nice guy with my experience and share this information with others was all.

No hidden agenda I promise! :-)

I think 20 years should qualify me as quite proficient.

I hope this clears up some misunderstandings. :-)

[DwarfBaby]

I wasn't mocking you and to be honest welcome to the club. However, the best you can hope for is to help someone who earnestly wants to learn Usenet. There are three reasons why standing on a soap box doesn't work here.

#1 Usenet cost money. I realize $15 isn't that much money and most people make that in an hour at work, however many people here don't want to pay anything even if they spend hours trying to get just a couple files. In the morning It takes me about 10 minutes to queue up 6 Full DVD's and when I get home from work they are all done and ready to burn. Obviously, that’s faster then you can even watch the movies even assuming you neither work nor sleep. That is certainly worth $15 to me, but to each his own.

#2 Usenet has a learning curve. For those who know Usenet they realize it 100x easier then P2P and absurdly faster. However it is different and different requires relearning things hence the learning curve.

#3 They are content where they are. They like a certain program and they stick with it. Also, people here are used to hearing how great a program or a product is and they simply ignore people who proclaim to have a better product.

[DasFox]

DwarfBaby I wasn't talking about anything you said, you've been quite the lady thanks.

#1 Usenet cost money, not true a GOOD ISP can get you a pretty good connection into Usenet. Most USA ISPs provide Usenet, it's just that most people don't realize it, and of course the amount of groups and retention is less then a paying service, but in many ways what your ISP is going to provide you is much better then P2P.

#2 Usenet has a learning curve, that might be true, but if they can figure out how to work P2P, and Torrents, Usenet is no more difficult, it's not Unix, now that's a learning curve. :-)

#3 They are content where they are, only because no one has showed them a better path, or made them realize their options. People are always content until they realize there is an easier way of doing things.

Thanks for your reply.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Yes, dwarf. You've been quite the lady.


I haven't gone digging far enough to see if my current ISP provides newsgroup access yet... meh.

#4)People (me) are lazy.

[DigitalJunkie]

@DasFox,

Yes, Usenet is fast & not too expensive. But, I use different P2P programs & networks for my own reasons! It's true in the U.S., P2P are not as popular as before, but I see plenty outside of U.S. still like them today. Why? Like me, I like to share what I got. I've been a P2P user for over ten years, not because I only want them fast! If I want it fast, torrents are fast enough for me. If I want rare files, I still can find them on P2P networks. Taking risk? Maybe, I am. Guess what? I've not been caught once all these years. I just do them, more careful these days!

I'll do it as long as I can, but this is not to say that you are wrong for using Usenet! I'm just telling you, why I'm still using P2P today.

[cjules13]

Originally Posted by DasFox

Personally you guys should kill this site, actually not kill it, but revamp it. I'm not saying you're not really trying, and I'm sure a damm fine job, I'm not here to piss on you, or your work, but torrents and P2P just plain suck!

Dude you're out there loose if you think torrents suck. There's barely a file out there I can't get via torrents at my max speed...
And you bust this thread out saying this site is all wrong?
And like it's some newsflash like we've been missing out on the greatest thing since sliced bread in newsgroups? If anything it's you who's late to the party as we've all been there and done that and it just isn't really an issue.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by cjules13

Dude you're out there loose if you think torrents suck. There's barely a file out there I can't get via torrents at my max speed...
And you bust this thread out saying this site is all wrong?
And like it's some newsflash like we've been missing out on the greatest thing since sliced bread in newsgroups? If anything it's you who's late to the party as we've all been there and done that and it just isn't really an issue.

Actually I see now you mean the private torrent sites, etc.. and all along I was talking about the public stuff.

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THANKS

[DwarfBaby]

I use bittorent sometimes as it is useful for some rare files that have fallen off the Usenet servers. This is the only point bittorent has over Usenet. More users, more files. Bittorent is my last resort. %99 of the time Usenet has what I want and abhorrently faster. And by the way .NZB files kick the shit out .torrent files any day. On the fly NZB creation is so useful its absurd. Newsgroup archiving and Indexing is also far more advanced and Useful.

By the way I only whore Newsgroups in Newsgroups threads. If you want to whore Bittorent why don't you find a bittorent thread and turn some tricks there.

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[CRLocky]

I just figured out how to play Halo 2 online a couple of weeks ago! I'm already a 12 sniper. It's badass!

This internet thing is amazing!

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by DwarfBaby

I use bittorent sometimes as it is useful for some rare files that have fallen off the Usenet servers. This is the only point bittorent has over Usenet. More users, more files. Bittorent is my last resort. %99 of the time Usenet has what I want and abhorrently faster. And by the way .NZB files kick the shit out .torrent files any day. On the fly NZB creation is so useful its absurd. Newsgroup archiving and Indexing is also far more advanced and Useful.

By the way I only whore Newsgroups in Newsgroups threads. If you want to whore Bittorent why don't you find a bittorent thread and turn some tricks there.

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True a torrent and seed will stay around a lot longer then a posting in Usenet. But when you're also looking for something that is 1-2 years old the seeds can be bad or nonexistent. Now in any case, bad seeds, bad connection etc.. with torrents, at least you can go into Usenet and make a, "Request" to get something.

In fact I was just looking for a Star Trek episode the other day, and there was nothing for it on P2P, or torrents, so what are you going to do then, sit and wait and hope it shows up?

Well I joined the newsgroups that handle Star Trek binaries made a request, and two days later someone filled it. That my friends is just one of the beauties of the newsgroups.