ITIC Says ANonymous and encrypted P2P enrolling new users

[ezzye]

I don't know if anyone else has posted this.

According to IT Innovations and Concepts (ITIC) P2P music statistics for October:

P2P population: eDonkey (eMule, Overnet...) is definitely #1. The FastTrack Network (KaZaA) did not recover its users (-13%). The rate of ``new P2P users" stabilized at +3% while emerging platforms (BitTorrent...) are still scoring the fastest and most noticeable growth. 4.6% of the people actively connected during September decided to change their P2P application in October. Anonymous and encrypted P2P platforms like FreeNet, Mute, Ants... are still enrolling new users.

More: http://www.itic.ca/DIC/News/2004/11/...t_2004.en.html

[notbob]

the ignorant sheep from kazaa have to go somewhere, and if they believe the hype from bozos like you, they'll go to ants and other "anonymous" p2p

but going and staying are two different things, and there's no way "anonymous" p2p can keep regular users in the state it is today (unless they are zealots with freakish devotion to a cause or overoptimistic idealogues like you)

[Watchmen]

Originally Posted by notbob

the ignorant sheep from kazaa have to go somewhere, and if they believe the hype from bozos like you, they'll go to ants and other "anonymous" p2p

but going and staying are two different things, and there's no way "anonymous" p2p can keep regular users in the state it is today (unless they are zealots with freakish devotion to a cause or overoptimistic idealogues like you)

damn...and I thought I was harsh.

[Wolfie]

Originally Posted by Watchmen

damn...and I thought I was harsh.

You haven't seen even half of it, lol. ;)

[Stownplayer]

Originally Posted by notbob

the ignorant sheep from kazaa have to go somewhere, and if they believe the hype from bozos like you, they'll go to ants and other "anonymous" p2p

but going and staying are two different things, and there's no way "anonymous" p2p can keep regular users in the state it is today (unless they are zealots with freakish devotion to a cause or overoptimistic idealogues like you)

now that is funny. Gotta love zeropaid

[AussieMatt]

next year notbob will be saying annoymous p2p i was there when they started that, rember bob WASTE calls itself "annonymous" also

[notbob]

Originally Posted by AussieMatt

next year notbob will be saying annoymous[sic] p2p i was there when they started that, rember [not]bob WASTE calls itself "annonymous"[sic] also

you need to drink less of your product

it's a pretty good bet that anonymous p2p will still suck next year, and probably 10 more after, unless ISPs start giving out MB up and down connections to everyone worldwide

[AussieMatt]

yeah bob its called wireless broadband and Internet2

[notbob]

Originally Posted by AussieMatt

yeah [not]bob its called wireless broadband and Internet2

and if you think the common man is getting either one in the next 10 years, you are fucking nuts

not in the USA anyway, because phone and cable companies are happy with what they have right now

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

How long was a working Intenet(1) out before it was released to the public?

[notbob]

Originally Posted by Lord_of_the_Dense

How long was a working Intenet(1) out before it was released to the public?

almost 30 years

[ezzye]

Originally Posted by notbob

the ignorant sheep from kazaa have to go somewhere, and if they believe the hype from bozos like you, they'll go to ants and other "anonymous" p2p

but going and staying are two different things, and there's no way "anonymous" p2p can keep regular users in the state it is today (unless they are zealots with freakish devotion to a cause or overoptimistic idealogues like you)

notbob The zealots with freakish devotion to a cause or over-optomistic idealogues also include Downhill Battle (http://www.downhillbattle.org/). I quote:

"We totally see this as fitting into an ecosystem of other programs. It's a close distinction, but here's how I'd put it: the target audience for our client will be people who don't understand the technology too well.

If somebody understands the technology and the legal risk, and wants to use bittorrent or ed2k, then we've given them another tool to protect themselves. If somebody just wants a nice toy to get music with and isn't keeping up on the RIAA's machinations in Congress, we want them to switch to this client or something like MUTE or Ants that protects them. The thing that upset and infuriated us most when we were working on the Defense Fund were the number of people who had *no idea* the lawsuits were coming and got caught completely by surprise. Just in simple moral terms, we want to do everything we can to make sure that doesn't happen again except with jail sentences this time. And that non-savvy user is exactly who we'll be gearing the client to, in terms of both the UI design and the promotion. When this thing comes out, it's not just going to be some mathy project on a Sourceforge page; we're going to promote it in ways that will reach lots of kids, moms, and dads. Because they're the ones who run the biggest risk of being blindsided.

For more goto http://p2pnet.net/story/2982

ANts is still been developed. New updates are coming out nightly. It works. I share a very very large mp3 collection using it and also download more music that I can listen to using ANts.

It is buggy. It is not as fast as bit torrent or newsgroups. But it is free, has chat and allows you to share all your files safely.

It is not for everyone. If the recent law suits worry you AND you want to take part in the development of a new opensource p2p program then gives ANts a try. If it does not work for you wait a couple of months before trying it again as it is been constantly developed.

[AussieMatt]

Originally Posted by AussieMatt
yeah [not]bob its called wireless broadband and Internet2


and if you think the common man is getting either one in the next 10 years, you are fucking nuts

not in the USA anyway, because phone and cable companies are happy with what they have right now

The the telephone and cable comapanies are trying to stop the development of wireless commuity nets and are looking to stop the roll out of the Phillidelphia City Cloud wi-fi network a 10 Millon Dollar Project to make 135 sq. miles one giant hot spot Verizon and other broadband companies have intorduced a Bill to stop public funding of such projects

A bill was introduced at the state level in Pennsylvania that would prohibit the kind of networks that Philly plans to build. Comcast and Verizon denied any interest in suppressing the plan, noting that the bill has been in the works for a year, and includes a revamp of educational telecommunications funding.

House Bill 30
A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OR ANY entity established by
a political subdivision, including a municipal authority, may
not provide any telecommunications services to the public for
compensation within the service territory of a local exchange
telecommunications company operating under a network
modernization plan.

Clearly looks like big bussiness trying to stifle innovation ,commuinty interest and sticking to outdated bussiness models .Will they will be sueing community's and anyone who use a community net next .They look like the music industry already.

So this is why The US is about 10th on the list of broadband adaoption .

[aqlo]

This is a perfect example of the sort of bullshit that is coming out of you every single day. The story is about Gaim!

Gaim goes under a GNU General Public License (GPL) and works on all 32-bit MS Windows (95/98/NT/2000/XP), All BSD Platforms (FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/Apple Mac OS X), All POSIX (Linux/BSD/UNIX-like OSes) and Linux operating systems.

Now, Downhill Battle sees IM-integrated Gaim as a way to stop US p2p file sharers from landing in prison.

They want to raise $500 to kick off a Gaim-Integrated Filesharing project. The money would be used to hire a skilled lead developer. "We're in a race to get this done," says a project web page.

"Think about how you felt when they started suing people. Now think how you're going to feel when they send somebody to jail. We have to stop this from happening."

We wondered if that meant Downhill Battle believes GAIM-Integrated Filesharing V1.0 will mean the end of 'traditional' file sharing.

"No," DHB's Holmes Wilson told p2pnet, going on, "We totally see this as fitting into an ecosystem of other programs. It's a close distinction, but here's how I'd put it: the target audience for our client will be people who don't understand the technology too well.

ANts gets mentioned one time, as an afterthought, and note that it isn't actually being recommended, only "something like" it. That is, if you don't use Gaim, which is their pet project and hardly "anonymous" just private, then it might be worthwhile in that extremity to try something slower than freenet and more mismarketed than es5.

[CactusChris]

Well done flat worlders - carry on and eventually one day the world will be flat (NOT).
Remember this later on - one day all p2p will be anonymous and you will be left on the sidelines, having missed the fun of development, wingeing and crying - or having to swallow your overlarge pride and slink into the anonymous community hoping no-one notices.
If I remember correctly - you were the same people who tried to start a flame war saying that the forums were being spammed by pro MUTE/ANts advocates - well now they have moved to their own forum - out of your sight and hearing - and you STILL have to follow and spam this forum! If you do'nt like this discussion group you are free to leave...