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Negative Threads -
July 6th, 2003, 03:35 PM
Ive created this poll to get the opinions on some on what they think about negative threads or negativity on the forums in general and what could/can be done about it. And if you think it is a problem.
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Jay Leno Geek
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July 6th, 2003, 03:44 PM
Actually, from what I've seen lately, the negativity seems pretty low. "Noobie bashing" seems a little too high, but its been much worse in the past, and frankly some of these people deserve to have thier heads brought out of the clouds.
I think the only problem right now is Spamming in the news...a few certain users feel the need to constantly spam their program. |
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Designated Jackass
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July 6th, 2003, 03:59 PM
Certain people seem to like to bash and flame anything they disagree with. I understand the difference of opinion supported by other facts, but not when someone just blurts out a F$ck You in response to a legitimate discussion.
ESV seems to get the most bashing. Some deserved I guess,but if you don't like it don't use it. It's not here to be a personal blight on ZP. I remember how much Morpheus or AG got pimped when it started. Yes, newbie use is on the rise, so what? I'm a newbie by your guys standards and some of these other people have just arrived on the scene so they don't know all the rules of etiquette. They will learn, but not if we all hammer them their first time out. Maybe a Newbie FAQ or link to newbie forum on the front page would help in these matters. We are in a time when lively discussions are necessary because P2P is facing some major changes as well as our personal freedoms. So don't kill the new guys they may just turn out to be the next Krell or Crazy Horse. Anyway those are just my thoughts. Let the flames consume me!:devil Integrity P2P All things p2p P2PForums p2p community discussion Beatking Music Forums Your music source The Big Hack p2p political satire and copyright destruction Variety is the spice of life! Love your enemies for they will tell you your faults - Ben Franklin |
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I say what I want
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July 6th, 2003, 04:14 PM
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a)adults b)full of knowlege c)can read and use internet resources appropriately to get answers d) do not post simply to raise their post count the morons that get flamed are a)children b)think they know everything c)deny they are wrong even when confronted with evidence the flamees will never be moderators, nor should they ever be as for negative threads, delete the stoned raptor type posts, delete ones by people who have nothing meaningful to say as for content that seph doesn't agree with, that should be left alone (he doesn't own the place, he just works here) political debate, religious debate, legal debate all have a place here whether he likes it or not--personal attacks, go ahead and delete them, but leave the threads alone otherwise |
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Zeropaid Regular
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July 6th, 2003, 04:23 PM
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Anyway, seph asked a good question and here is an answer: If a thread breaks the rules delete it. If a thread doesnt break the rules, leave it the hell alone. |
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GET OFF MY LAWN . . . . .
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July 6th, 2003, 04:41 PM
Anyway those are just my thoughts. Let the flames consume me!
Well its not derserving of flames, I understood what you meant. I want to agree with notbob, I just never see any non P2P topics stay workable, and those threads ends up detracting from what we are here to do, discuss P2P. Keep in mind that, altho not everything should be viewed as "part of the problem, or part of the solution" . . many of these people are just always the problem. In a post to sephi earlier, I mentioned (for the thousandth time) that most of out problems, are perpetuated by a few of the people. This is where my zero tolerence kicks in. Lamourlady, that gutsy well spoken proponent of truth justice and the american way, whom I wish would be a mod, PMed me recently proposing that we have a Newbie FAQ sticky. I have been mulling it around, havent committed anything to paper yet. and then . . . . Also, the dogma, the constant you suck threads, ESV sucks posts, and on and on . . is going to stop. The banter back and forth about ESV in particular. I have no interest in making any concession to ESV. Im sick of the fanboying, and I am sick of the responses to it. ESV will be able to post their updates, Kabair or Filehoover, any officially recognized rep can post. They will be able to post these updates with NO response or repurcussion. Other ESV members will NOT post updates. They will not fanboy. The ESV threads will be cleaned up and consolidated, and it will be clear as to where ESV posts their product or service announcements, and where other may ask them a question. Finally, and we all mean FINALLY . . . we will not endure continued ESV flaming here at all from anyone, whatsoever. ESV has an entire forum dedicated to their service, USE IT. If you dont like it, go tell THEM about it, not us. If you have less than constructive criticisms, go THERE to tell them, not us. If I see one negative comment spewn by anyone, I close the threads. This is the last resort to closing the ESV forums for good. Sephiroth, The Hunter, Rickio, and myself . . have gone far and above what we should to try to keep things amicable, and let things work out. I have pages and pages of dialogue with ESV members and the other moderators spanning months, and its time for this forum eye-sore and embarrasement to stop. Since its seems that 1/2 our flaming is directly related to ESV . . . this is a major objective. no matter what you do...or how hard you try....you cant please everyone! true true janett999 . |
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Know Your Enemy
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July 6th, 2003, 05:10 PM
I agree with with all that has been said so far, all I would like to add is that the attitudes are way out of hand sometimes, and I'm specifically talking about Seph and Krell, now before you get all pouty and angry I'm not saying this to piss you guys off, I just think sometimes you are a bit harsh on some ppl without a valid reason, you guys are so damn quick to jump on people and then you wonder why all the bad apples? You guys are mods, who are supposed to help people, not jump down their throats and be the forum police, granted that sometimes it comes to that, I know, but some ppl deserve it, all I'm saying is maybe a chill pill or two couldn't hurt
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the Dreamer
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July 6th, 2003, 05:20 PM
Chill pills are good and recomended. They are two harsh mo fo's!! LOL
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Zeropaid Regular
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July 6th, 2003, 05:25 PM
as for the newbie bashing, i can see why it happens, i guess people are sick of newbies coming and asking "what should i use, is this better than this? omg i don't know what to do!" and then other give the same response, "use the search button." but also, i think getting bashed is like almost an acceptance. most of the regs here probably got bashed as newbies.
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Designated Jackass
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July 6th, 2003, 06:28 PM
Alll references to that " other program" have been removed for Krell's safety and blood pressure.
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See Krell, just the mere mention of that "other" program took up a major portion of your post. In my message, I wasn't saying anything about being for or against the damn thing only that it was a major source of negativity around here recently. And in the end you said it best "Since its seems that 1/2 our flaming is directly related to (I won't mention it again!) . . . this is a major objective." So how do we achieve this without you mods having to be the ref's constantly? Or is the only way to close any and all threads on "that other program"? Integrity P2P All things p2p P2PForums p2p community discussion Beatking Music Forums Your music source The Big Hack p2p political satire and copyright destruction Variety is the spice of life! Love your enemies for they will tell you your faults - Ben Franklin |
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High Fidelity
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Re: Negative Threads -
July 6th, 2003, 06:41 PM
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July 6th, 2003, 06:45 PM
I try and not judge a post but simply get involved if it is breaking some rules.
But in fact when Jorge asked me to Mod he did say, get rid of ignorant posts. That is the hard thing to do as I then begin judging. I am interpretting Sephs post here "Negative Threads" in the same light as ignorant posts. Fact is if it does become overwhelming, we have to react. I am not a hothead and I am fairly mellow. I will delete ignorant and pointless, negative posts. peace |
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GET OFF MY LAWN . . . . .
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July 6th, 2003, 07:10 PM
So how do we achieve this without you mods having to be the ref's constantly? Or is the only way to close any and all threads on "that other program"?
I wasnt responding to you, I just added your name in there as I posted to be courteous, just like I did janett999's I had already typed all that before you posted. So it was not the mere mention of anything. We dont WANT to be refs constantly, thats the issue, were just sick of people going on and on and on and bickering. How do you (collectively) achieve this? I dunno . .. shut the hell maybe . . stop with the flaming . . . and they suck threads, . . just a thought. Also, when I do not address people who are problem makers, they do not get "better", they are already bad apples, I didnt make them that way. So now I am upfront, and when people start off here with criticism and dogging other members in the first dozen posts, I am not going to take it easy on them. There are people here who have racked up hundreds of posts basically just telling others how stupid they are, or having some smart-assed thing to say. As far as closing an entire forum, . . have you seen it happen yet? NO, why ? Patience, which is for the most part, exhausted, . . . so when I get PMs from ESV people trying to get me to force certain ZP members in to not criticizing them, my response is, stop being a fanboy and feeding the flames. (yes I have to deal with this, you dont) Thats why I say I am not going to make concessions, and will not be coerced. Now to stay on topic, it is everyones responsability to provide quality or respect in a thread, not just mine. Do I address every flame? Nope. Do I remove every nipple shot? No. Have I not gien many people more than one chance to participate and make an investment here? I love most of the new members, but some . . . I can see the handwriting on the wall. It's your choice guys, make it better or make me clean up. The day I dont have to delete flames, move threads and settle politics, I will be chillin by the pool. . |
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What the Hell is a Rant?
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July 6th, 2003, 07:23 PM
howabout wheneer someone says something dumb
the mods put a message in bold red type saying (these views are not condoned by zp etc? or something to that effect but dont be a smartass by putting one at the bottom of this post (just something i would do) For shizzle my nizzle, its the TYBizzle hizzle. Chizzle's avizzzle is the shizzle!!!! Yo, TYBizzle didnt get no spizzle from cpugizzle. What the dizzle, homes? I have no idea what I just wrote. |
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Zeropaid Regular
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July 6th, 2003, 07:50 PM
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How do you know those people didnt deserve it or not? Just because everything isnt made a public specticle doesnt means that its not valid. Also keep in mind that you dont know me well enough to know my attitude on things. Basing our attitudes when were dealing with some lamer or other problem is not really a accurate way to do so. Just like it would be inaccurate for someone to assume my intelligence based solely on my spelling/grammar. Other than newbie bashing which should not happen here and no one should be that immature. People should be measured by their posts and actions not by their post count. Questions from new posters are a normal thing and at least this forum gets new posters. Forums that dont get boring and dull. This place has always been welcoming to anyone who wants to have a mature discussion and behave and not flame and spam and etc and should always remain that way. Some people think that the only way to get responses is to get under the skin of people. Which considering that even they they do try that way it doesnt work and is really unneccessary because people post about it anyways. The lounge is not really for "serious" or p2p discussion. Never has been, never will be. That wont change no matter how hard you try and instead of complaining about it then just use a different forum which that could be the purpose of the new VIP forum could be other non lounge type(i.e. "silly) posts that arent p2p releated. So knock yourself out. ill do some moving to get it ready. Personally i dont care if people want to talk about politics, laws, and whatever as long as it doesnt turn into flaming and insulting, sterotyping, ridculing and just bashing each other opinions and beliefs instead of discussing them. All p2p threads are either in the general p2p discussion forum or that programs forum. Which to help try to get more diverse p2p topics here and more activity in different forums is why we have to stop with the people promoting other programs in another ones threads and forum, and in the middle of people's threads when they didnt ask for it. Which really turns away users from those programs/networks from posting here and isnt real helpful which isnt good for anyone. |
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