Organizing for America Health Care Reform Video “Desecrates US Flag”

[mountain_rage]

Originally Posted by don webb

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Oh boy, now it's Hate filled Buffons, I'm gonna need more memory if this keeps up much longer.......

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Usually I'm nicer about these things, but flag worship is really the most ridiculous ideology ever conceived. It really serves no purpose but to waste time and energy. It survives only due to social pressures placed on certain individuals for whatever reason. Its a piece of fabric, it represents ideals, but can never be those ideals because it is fabric. To say otherwise is foolish, making them a buffoon. Fighting for a flag will defend a piece of fabric, fighting for ideals will defend the ideals.

There is very little doubt in my mind that the flag is used as a symbol so people up top don't have to state the ideals for which people are fighting. You are fighting for the flag, people make up their own definition of what the flag is, its a co out to having to explicitly state what controversial goal people are actually fighting for. Not everyone will agree to fight for ideals, so you can misplace their loyalty by getting them to fight for a flag. If your life is worth a piece of cloth go fight for a flag, its you free right to do so. But I rather not fight for any countries marketing spin.

[YWD67]

MR, I find it laughable and hypocritical as hell that don would ever think of starting a thread peaching against disrespecting the U.S. flag.

Considering that his avatar is of the U.S. flag upside down he has absolutely no room to speak out against disrespecting the flag..

The flag is only to be displayed upside down in a marintian situation when a ship is distress.
To display it in such a manner in for any other reason is inappropriate, and disrespectful.

[don webb]

Your Opinion.

Originally Posted by YWD67

MR, I find it laughable and hypocritical as hell that don would ever think of starting a thread peaching against disrespecting the U.S. flag.

Considering that his avatar is of the U.S. flag upside down he has absolutely no room to speak out against disrespecting the flag..

The flag is only to be displayed upside down in a marintian situation when a ship is distress.
To display it in such a manner in for any other reason is inappropriate, and disrespectful.

My opinion Gonna make me get long winded huh..? OK

The US is in “Dire” distress, hence my inverted flag sig. I didn’t vote for “Change”.

Flying the flag upside down is a standard military distress signal “not only marintian situation when a ship is distress.” and is supported by the United States Flag Code. (looked it up) Also, flying the flag upside down is not a mark of disrespect, and in fact is considered by many to be the highest form of patriotism.

However, since 9/11 there have been several cases where individuals have been harassed, intimidated and even arrested for inverting the flag, by those who confuse a love of government with a love of country.

The US Flag Code empowers the President of the United States to alter, modify, repeal or prescribe additional rules regarding the Flag but, no federal agency has the authority to issue 'official' rulings legally binding on civilians or civilian groups. (think 1st amendment)

The Code also states that the flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. There is a federal criminal prohibition on the use of the flag for advertising purposes in the District of Columbia, commercial speech does not receive the full protection of the First Amendment.

So, it certainly appears when the DNC runs a contest for Obama’s campaign the “Health Reform Video Challenge” and they accept as one of the contenders a video that features a mural of an America flag being splattered with health care graffiti until it’s covered completely by black paint and uses it for fundraising it’s an entire different story.

Now the DNC being located at 430 South Capitol Street SE, Washington, D.C. 20003, is guilty of “Use of flag for advertising purposes,” and “Mutilation of the flag,” they along with Obama are not civilians and are subject to these regulations, but it makes no difference in D.C. thats the law!

More opinions, you might say? Lets just take a look at what the Flag Code does say?

UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 36 CHAPTER 10 PATRIOTIC CUSTOMS

Section 173: Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; definition The following codification of existing rules and customs pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America is established for the use of such civilians or civilian groups or organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments of the Government of the United States defined according to sections 1 and 2 of title 4 and Executive Order 10834 issued pursuant thereto.

Title 4 United States Code

Section #1: The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field.

Section #2: On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission.

So civilians are not required to conform to regulations other than stated above.

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Title 4 United States Code

Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag

Subsection 7(g): Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court.

The words 'flag, standard, colors, or ensign', as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Subsection (i): The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Just considering the video as a contender the DNC and Obama show great disrespect for the flag as no US Official should do.


Just more “Hopey n Changy” Bullshit........

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[Excrement_Cranium]

Originally Posted by don webb

The US is in “Dire” distress, hence my inverted flag sig. I didn’t vote for “Change”.

So, it's all just a big tantrum?

Thought so.

I didn't vote for a lot of shit, but I live here, and have to deal with it. It's part of the democratic process, dipshit.

[don webb]

Originally Posted by Excrement_Cranium

So, it's all just a big tantrum?

Thought so.

I didn't vote for a lot of shit, but I live here, and have to deal with it. It's part of the democratic process, dipshit.

Call it what you like, you are as entitled to do so, just as much as I am entitled to have my “tantrum.” But, you skip right over the topic of the thread (Organizing for America Health Care Reform Video “Desecrates US Flag, ) trying to avert attention in another direction won’t change that fact.

[Excrement_Cranium]

Originally Posted by don webb

Call it what you like, you are as entitled to do so, just as much as I am entitled to have my “tantrum.” But, you skip right over the topic of the thread (Organizing for America Health Care Reform Video “Desecrates US Flag, ) trying to avert attention in another direction won’t change that fact.

Says the king of the copy-and-paste segue.

While I may have skipped over the "topic of your thread," the only real argument you are capable of presenting, what I did address is the tone of your post.

The tone was: "Waaaaah, I didn't get my way, so everything that happens during this administration will be morphed into some kind of affront on America and it's values!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"

Yet, when your Messiah, Glenn Beck does it in his televised opinion show, well, that's appropriate. Fitting that it would fall under advertisement, as any moment on his show does - Ratings = viewers = sponsers = profit. He made a profit for himself and Fox by defacing the flag. Hypocrisy much?

Your problem isn't values, it's that it's not your team doing it. When they tell you it's alright, you believe it's alright.