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[RACKnRAIL]

Originally Posted by kippies

umm missing my point- im out for a decent user experience, not to get on the ladder

When i can come here three days in a row and see only spam posts I worry..

I could care less about what positions are available as its not my bag- I want the zeropaid of a year ago where I could get a laugh, get informed of the latest P2P stuff and generally bouce posts of other active users- ive posted less recently as I feel theres little point, I wound up here as I enjoy posting on a tangent like many others on here do, or rather used to...

If you want to read an agenda into that- as obviously you could not argue things have NOT slowed down- more fool you



just trying to give some insight into WHY things have slowed down

As a mod I come here just about every day and lately I have not seen one spam post, so I have no idea what you're talking about, again. It's like the spammers have all gone away on vacation or we have boosted our forum spam filters.

The place has changed many times over and will change again, whether we like it or not. As far as slowing down goes, I have noticed many regulars have moved on. Some will return and some may not. It's just the way it goes. P2P information has changed as well. We either roll with the punches or move on.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by kippies

umm missing my point- im out for a decent user experience, not to get on the ladder

When i can come here three days in a row and see only spam posts I worry..

I could care less about what positions are available as its not my bag- I want the zeropaid of a year ago where I could get a laugh, get informed of the latest P2P stuff and generally bouce posts of other active users- ive posted less recently as I feel theres little point, I wound up here as I enjoy posting on a tangent like many others on here do, or rather used to...

If you want to read an agenda into that- as obviously you could not argue things have NOT slowed down- more fool you



just trying to give some insight into WHY things have slowed down

I think your insight was pretty good and constructive.

But many of the problems aren't as new, some have always existed on this site.

I think what happened is that for too long trying to grow the community with new members has been neglected. A small minority of people were allowed to create a environment that was not friendly towards new members.

That and I think in the past too many mods were too cozy with competing sites and that conflict of interest has definitely hurt this site. They can't be expected to do what is best for zeropaid if it means this site will be more popular than the other p2p forum they are moderator or admin on.

I don't point this towards the current mod staff who I think has is the best mod squad this place has had in a long time and have been dealt some hard issues to deal with. But I do know this includes some of their predecessors that I know of that, and ultimately I do think that it had a negative effect on this site.

Beyond all the mainly copy & pasted political threads there is still a few good threads still being created. New people are still registering, so it isn't like no one is viewing the place.

New people come here to talk about P2P, focus on that and new people might decide to stick around and check out the other forums.

[kippies]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think your insight was pretty good and constructive.

But many of the problems aren't as new, some have always existed on this site.

I think what happened is that for too long trying to grow the community with new members has been neglected. A small minority of people were allowed to create a environment that was not friendly towards new members.

That and I think in the past too many mods were too cozy with competing sites and that conflict of interest has definitely hurt this site. They can't be expected to do what is best for zeropaid if it means this site will be more popular than the other p2p forum they are moderator or admin on.

I don't point this towards the current mod staff who I think has is the best mod squad this place has had in a long time and have been dealt some hard issues to deal with. But I do know this includes some of their predecessors that I know of that, and ultimately I do think that it had a negative effect on this site.

Beyond all the mainly copy & pasted political threads there is still a few good threads still being created. New people are still registering, so it isn't like no one is viewing the place.

New people come here to talk about P2P, focus on that and new people might decide to stick around and check out the other forums.

I think thats 100% right and actually i would second your comments about the mods- it was the admins my comments were aimed at

IMHO admins should post daily and at least show willing, a community is built at all levels especially when things slow down

@Rack- im sorry if you find this controversial or it offends, im just calling it like i see it and pointing out where ZP could help itself

Theres a couple of things that could help in my experience- automated greeting email or PM when people register, with a link to intros and general chat- follow up posts to intros by the higher ups or even active users - help build ZP back up to the active site it was

One last point I dont like the whole landing on the front page instead of the forums thing, it makes the site look more like a news aggregator than a community site and thats probably reflected in activity levels

again just my opinion

[Tic3]

ZeroPaid isn't necessarily suffering from admin/mod/user apathy. One of the biggest problems is the lack of development in P2P.

When there was a new protocol or application being developed on a regular basis, this place was very active.

Since BitTorrent became the predominant protocol/application, development in other areas (with a few exceptions) has all but stopped.

And with that, activity at ZeroPaid has dramatically tapered off as well.

Of course, that's an over-simplification, but for the most part it's probably true.

Monitor the forums for a week or two and tally up the number of P2P-related posts as compared to posts not related to P2P.

Compare that with post trends from five years ago.

[DrewWilson]

Filesharing has changed significantly over the years landscape-wise. Before, as already mentioned, every week was a new development or a new creation related to p2p. Of course, this wouldn't last forever.

The copyright industry went after Napster and then Grokster. This discouraged innovation and got a number of people thinking twice when it relates to p2p development. BitTorrent put the final nail in the coffin as much of the development went to BitTorrent and creating better trackers, etc.

As I can see the traffic that goes to different news stories, it's actually not entirely the slowdown's fault - nor is it writers (news writers and programmers) either. I've written the odd news story here and there already in the past related to the development of p2p and the traffic most of the time was unimpressive at best. I'll still write stories related to development, but such stories have become unsexy as, according to some of the people I've spoken to, it's become little more than useless spam half the time now. I'm willing to bet even Digg stopped pushing a uTorrent update story on the front page these days.

Simple reason for all of this is simple - times have changed and so have people. Copyright has moved from a realm of law to a realm of politics. File-sharing has moved from a realm of technical development to a political issue. When copyright and technology clash, that's the fireworks people are more likely wanting to see vs. 'X software recieved an update today'.

I think the general public, when it comes to file-sharing, are more likely to say, 'Yeah, people file-share. Who doesn't?" It's become a common person thing now and not every common person will be looking for technical tidbits of a given client. This is why update stories often tank these days - because the general audience doesn't really care these days for the most part. A large part of the file-sharing population are really n00bs that only care that 'I get that file' as opposed to, 'hey, the overhead is slightly lower on this version!' That's just the reality of today and you have to roll with it.

The past was exciting. I won't argue that point in the slightest. It's just that what happened in the past won't be brought back no matter how hard you try (or else someone would have done that by now).

[kippies]

Originally Posted by DrewWilson

Filesharing has changed significantly over the years landscape-wise. Before, as already mentioned, every week was a new development or a new creation related to p2p. Of course, this wouldn't last forever.

The copyright industry went after Napster and then Grokster. This discouraged innovation and got a number of people thinking twice when it relates to p2p development. BitTorrent put the final nail in the coffin as much of the development went to BitTorrent and creating better trackers, etc.

As I can see the traffic that goes to different news stories, it's actually not entirely the slowdown's fault - nor is it writers (news writers and programmers) either. I've written the odd news story here and there already in the past related to the development of p2p and the traffic most of the time was unimpressive at best. I'll still write stories related to development, but such stories have become unsexy as, according to some of the people I've spoken to, it's become little more than useless spam half the time now. I'm willing to bet even Digg stopped pushing a uTorrent update story on the front page these days.

Simple reason for all of this is simple - times have changed and so have people. Copyright has moved from a realm of law to a realm of politics. File-sharing has moved from a realm of technical development to a political issue. When copyright and technology clash, that's the fireworks people are more likely wanting to see vs. 'X software recieved an update today'.

I think the general public, when it comes to file-sharing, are more likely to say, 'Yeah, people file-share. Who doesn't?" It's become a common person thing now and not every common person will be looking for technical tidbits of a given client. This is why update stories often tank these days - because the general audience doesn't really care these days for the most part. A large part of the file-sharing population are really n00bs that only care that 'I get that file' as opposed to, 'hey, the overhead is slightly lower on this version!' That's just the reality of today and you have to roll with it.

The past was exciting. I won't argue that point in the slightest. It's just that what happened in the past won't be brought back no matter how hard you try (or else someone would have done that by now).

Yeah you and Tic are driving at the same thing and its something i had not considered much - maybe P2P is just getting old



I dont know- Ive kids from 16 down to 2 and P2P is not part of their vocabulary much-

mostly paid access on demand and subscriptions to sites are what they talk about. Its too much hassle to learn to circumvent DRM..find a cracked version etc... man im getting old LOL

Maybe we won the battle and lost the war ?

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