Imesh Is Not Fasttrack

[ston]

There seems to be some widespread confusion with Imesh. The Fasttrack (Kazaa & Grokster) network and Imesh are completely separate protocols and networks. Imesh uses a central server (AFAIK) and Fasttrack is decentralized. Several months ago the networks were linked together, allowing for cross-searching. However, cross-searches are only partially successful, if you are looking for a rare file you will need to run and search both networks separately to get maximum results.

Only on Fasttrack can you see what client the other users are on (Imesh users are the "@fileshare" ones) Although Imesh is about a third the size of Fasttrack, Fasttrack search results rarely find Imesh users(perhaps 5% - 10% of total search returns).

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by ston
Imesh uses a central server (AFAIK) and Fasttrack is decentralized.

Both are central, and Imesh is able to connect to the fasttrack network and his own...

Gnutella is one a the few, the only one I know which is decentralized...

Morgwen

[Dark Messenger]

Nice posts by both of you guys i really enjoyed the insight into the Imesh network.

I decided to try it today and it worked just like KaZaA did it connected out TCP on port 1214 and Inbound TCP on port 1214 and used port 0 for outbound TCP for and ip address beginning with 66.....something.

I love it. It's very fast and a lot prettier than kazaa and i got great speeds and found some rare files on it.

People should give it a try. w_w_w_clean clients_com (http://www.cleanclients.com)

Get the Spyware free Imesh (http://www.cleanclients.com) here (http://www.cleanclients.com).

thanks,

dr.damn

you are awesome!

[Jorge]

Dr,
How about a link to zp on your site?

[wiggum]

Originally posted by Morgwen


Both are central


FastTrack is decentralized . It has no central server that indexes songs. The indexing is done by supernodes. However, FastTrack has a controled protocol.

[ston]

I have noticed that imesh seems to search the fasttrack network a lot better than fasttrack searches imesh network.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by wiggum
FastTrack is decentralized . It has no central server that indexes songs. The indexing is done by supernodes.

Yes you are right. :error

Morgwen

[origin]

then y does the number of users on the bottom of the program only display like 500,000 users if it is connected to the same network with kazaa,grokseter?????

[cinder829]

FastTrack is decentralized . It has no central server that indexes songs. The indexing is done by supernodes.

That's news to me! I really thought fasttrack was a centralized network. Are you absolutely positive it's decentralized, or do the supernodes just help take some of the burden off of the servers?

Also, in addition to Gnutella, Blubster is decentralized. It's very fast (http://froggysoftware.no-ip.com/BRL.jpg) and great for music since it's mp3 only like Napster and AG.

[lion7718]

From what I have read.....
Kazaa only searches 1 node, when you click on Search More....
It will search another node.....thats it........you will never search the entire Kazaa Network at once.

[wiggum]

Originally posted by cinder829

Are you absolutely positive it's decentralized?


Yes

Originally posted by lion7718

From what I have read.....
Kazaa only searches 1 node, when you click on Search More....
It will search another node.....thats it........you will never search the entire Kazaa Network at once.

That's true but a supernode contains a lot of users. I have never really had to need to press 'search more'

[dr. damn]

1. iMesh uses FastTrack.
2. FastTrack is decentralized.

Anyone who did any research at all would find these statements rather obvious.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by origin
then y does the number of users on the bottom of the program only display like 500,000 users if it is connected to the same network with kazaa,grokseter?????

Perhaps Dr. damm should reply... I read one statement from him that kazaa is faking the user numbers!

I see how many files I find on kazaa and compare it with other nets which only have 25% of the users, its almost equal... so I would agree that something stinks!

Morgwen

[wiggum]

Originally posted by Morgwen


Perhaps Dr. damm should reply... I read one statement from him that kazaa is faking the user numbers!



When explaining this he said that he was speculating that they fake the numbers. However a lot of independent research has verified the numbers. The FastTrack creators have told me that it is a 'good estimate'

Originally posted by Morgwen

I see how many files I find on kazaa and compare it with other nets which only have 25% of the users, its almost equal... so I would agree that something stinks!


What network has 25% of the users?


Originally posted by Dr. Damn

1. iMesh uses FastTrack.
2. FastTrack is decentralized.

Anyone who did any research at all would find these statements rather obvious.

Here, here

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by wiggum
What network has 25% of the users?

Gnutella had some weeks ago...

Fasttrack had something with 1.400.000 and Gnutella 350.000.

And I found not much more files on fasttrack...

And what is with iMesh, why their count says only about 600.000 while I log in the same time with Kazaa and it says over 2 million? And why I find with iMesh more files?

The only explanation besides faking the user number is that there are MANY freeloaders... I don´t know what is better?

I use now iMesh instead of Kazaa lite...

Morgwen

[wiggum]

Originally posted by Morgwen


Gnutella had some weeks ago...

Fasttrack had something with 1.400.000 and Gnutella 350.000.


That may have happened but look at slyck stats. Usually it is about 1.9 million for FT and 0.18 M for Gnutella.

Originally posted by Morgwen

And what is with iMesh, why their count says only about 600.000 while I log in the same time with Kazaa and it says over 2 million?


The figure is belived only to count iMesh users.

[dr. damn]

The problem that I have with ALL of these numbers is this: Where do they come from? FastTrack has notoriously bad searching. If the network can't keep track of the files that are online at any given time, how could it possibly know how many users are connected?

Likewise, if iMesh is a partialy seperate network, how come it is capable of counting iMesh users but not returning the results accurately when you search?

The only explanation that comes to mind is that the numbers are either bogus, or perhaps mediocre estimates.

[Morgwen]

Yes...

fasttrack is decentrelized like Gnutella, I know that all the Gnutella host count statistics are not reliabel because you can´t reach the whole net, how fasttrack does this? How can they reach all the hosts without a central server?

Morgwen

[wiggum]

I think it can be done by counting the number of unique IP addresses that are connected to the network. It is possible to do it with a decentralised network. Frontcode have done it with WinMX (1 million unique IP addresses were found).

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by wiggum
I think it can be done by counting the number of unique IP addresses that are connected to the network. It is possible to do it with a decentralised network.

AFAIK its not possible to reach all hosts... at least with Gnutella not and I think not this is possible with fasttrack...

How will you count the unique IPs on the net when you can´t "see" them? Gnutella works this way... You connect to a hostcache, here are saved several IPs... your client start now to connect to other clients, it depends on your bandwidth and settings how much hosts you can reach, perhaps a few thousand...

Fasttrack should work in a similar way.

All the ways to count hosts are not reliable, I read some statements from developers that they are searching for reliable ways to count the hosts...

So I ask me now which way does fasttrack use to count the hosts?

WinMX is not decentral or did they change it, the last time I checked this they used the open nap servers... with a central system its no problem to count the user.

Morgwen

[Crazy Horse]

Where's your clean clients site. I went to it today and there's some German s h i t on it now. Post a link please.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse
Where's your clean clients site. I went to it today and there's some German s h i t on it now. Post a link please.

It says "the page is under construction"...

Morgwen

[dr. damn]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse
Where's your clean clients site. I went to it today and there's some German s h i t on it now. Post a link please.
Gone. I submitted a story to Zeropaid, we'll see if they post it.

[wiggum]

I have posted it here:

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07132002a.php

[FreedomToShare]

Poor Dr. Damn....every site he has up or starts....soon after that it gets closed....:mellow

[Music Pirate]

Damn Grokster and RIAA......

[slacker52]

Originally posted by FreedomToShare
Poor Dr. Damn....every site he has up or starts....soon after that it gets closed....:mellow
i know he had a .tk that grokster swiped, and the .com that went down. has he tried geoshitties (geocities)?