The GREAT new bearshare features!

[Morgwen]

Read this thread and make your own opinion about it:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13132

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

After you read that then please read this. (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07032002e.php)

BTW only a small number of people in gnutella are outraged if you want to even say that and thats because they dont understand how the network can currently be exploited, and they dont realize the need to protect the network from such exploits. Its especially pathetic in how a few people would want to use this to their own personal gains to benifit their own personal vendettas...

Sure its easy to say there should be a way to allow access to all but malicious users but actually doing it is a whole different story.

[Ken17625]

I don't trust Vinnie. I really don't care for Bearshare either. Thanks but no thanks.

Be Afraid.

But for now, imagine an Iguana being here.

[riderx]

i think limewire pro is good.

[Morgwen]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sephiroth
[B]After you read that then please read this. (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07032002e.php)

And when you have finished it, please read what other developers think about it:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/8323

I read something like blocking bearshare etc. I wonder why?

Seph this RIAA story is a joke, the RIAA needs only to download bearsahre and the security is gone... I read much better ideas in the GDF. And if Vinnie would discuss such actions before adding them they wouldn´t piss off other users and developers.

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Right the RIAA is a joke so is the gnutella network spam, and automatic isp notifitication too? The GDF is not a central development body and if im not mistake the F stands for Forum which is what the GDF is its a forum not a central standards body and if it tried to be one without being rebuilt from the ground up to be one then it will not be successfull..

Since gnutella is a open network even if someone notified the GDF beforehand nothing could really stop them from adding whatever to their program anyways even if the GDF doesnt like it.

Also i doubt that one post could sum up the entire gdf impression of this. Why not give people the main url for the messages (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/messages) instead of just the ones that help your arguement..

You cant deny one thing and thats the addition of secure channels has sparked alot of discussion about security on gnutella and how to protect the network from malicious users which a couple of weeks ago wouldnt have been the case..

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Right the RIAA is a joke

I said the RIAA "story", Vinnie said he wants to protect his users from the RIAA and other "hostile" companies, yes he BLOCKS ALL non bearshare traffic and sell this as protection... yes and the user should think the RIAA is stupid and cannot download a bearshare client to get the infos... NICE security.


The GDF is not a central development body

No but if you want to stay compatible you should discuss such features with them, if not you shouldn´t wonder if they start blocking bearshare...


Why not give people the main url for the messages instead of just the ones that help your arguement

I just pointed to the first thread the people are not stupid and see there are several replies but I don´t know which comments do you mean which defend Vinnies position, expect his own of course...


You cant deny one thing and thats the addition of secure channels has sparked alot of discussion about security on gnutella

Yes and I read MUCH better ideas in the GDF.

Ok now we think about this secure channels thing, tell me why should other users waste their bandwidth for bearshare clients which don´t up- or download from a non-bearshare node? So why should they connect to a bearshare node tell me? One of the developers in the GDF said, if Vinnie think Gnutella isn´t secure enough and he don´t think about a general security solution he should leave and build his own net - I have to agree!

I don´t want to discuss with you if security is necessary or not, of course it is, but Vinnie is moving again in the wrong direction, if he proceeds this way I see the split coming - do you remember I said something like this several months ago and I said only future will tell us who is right... so I will wait some weeks now and see what happens!

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

You read much better ideas but you never go beyond that and then you just go into the same repetitive statements that moak or "anonymous" posted last week here about secure channels which in itself just shows how much you dont know about it.

They have some great ideas about time travel too. But explain to me what good is lock if everyone has a key?

You want to know why you see the split coming its because you and others like moak are trying to cause one by mudslinging, heresay, half-truths, exaggeration, propoganda and various other methods for many months now.

[Wheelz_Off]

Originally posted by Morgwen
Seph this RIAA story is a joke, the RIAA needs only to download bearsahre and the security is goneThats not true, the problem is these people are running their own clients that gather massive lists of ips and automatically send notices to isp, if they use bearshare this is not possible, yes they can manually write down all the ips that but that is way to time consuming and not worth the effort.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
But explain to me what good is lock if everyone has a key?

Before you complain here, read the posts in the GDF and tell me something about your key, you don´t know the ideas but you know they are bad...


You read much better ideas but you never go beyond that and then you just go into the same repetitive statements that moak or "anonymous" posted last week here about secure channels which in itself just shows how much you dont know about it

You honour me, the same statements as Moak... WOW man I must be good,because Moak is a big looser he don´t know anything about coding, he is ONLY a professional coder and SECURITY EXPERT... Seph what is your Job? Repeating Vinnies words?

And the other developers, they are so SILLY the only guy who understands how Gnutella works is Vincent Falco...


You want to know why you see the split coming its because you and others like moak are trying to cause one by mudslinging

Seph, bearshare is clustering so it connects mainly to bearshare nodes... and with this secure channel feature you can only up- and download from other bearshare nodes...

SO the only thing that is left are a few (possible) connetions to non bearshare nodes... hmm... yes bearshare is STILL able to connect to the Gnutella net, that why you call IT GNUTELLA client but many other people call it the start of the split... do you know why because the other devloper see no need to support bearshare nodes which don´t allow up- and downloads so they will start to block bearshare, I read already such posts in the GDF...

But you can still complain that Moak and me are bad guys and speaking shit, but we said some months ago that Vinnie is preparing the split and I see its takes only a "SMALL" final step...

did you forgot that Vinnie is dreaming for over 15 months now from an own net?

And you shouldn´t tell me something about propaganda Mr. VIP bear... I start to think that you are paid...

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Wheelz_Off
Thats not true, the problem is these people are running their own clients that gather massive lists of ips and automatically send notices to isp, if they use bearshare this is not possible, yes they can manually write down all the ips that but that is way to time consuming and not worth the effort.

As I said the RIAA guys are stupid and they will not find a solution for this...

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Morgwen

You honour me, the same statements as Moak... WOW man I must be good,because Moak is a big looser he don´t know anything about coding, he is ONLY a professional coder and SECURITY EXPERT... Seph what is your Job? Repeating Vinnies words?

SO the only thing that is left are a few (possible) connetions to non bearshare nodes... hmm... yes bearshare is STILL able to connect to the Gnutella net, that why you call IT GNUTELLA client but many other people call it the start of the split... do you know why because the other devloper see no need to support bearshare nodes which don´t allow up- and downloads so they will start to block bearshare, I read already such posts in the GDF...
Morgwen

My comment is valid how can you have a security feature that blocks out malicious users without allowing them access? As for the irony and hypocracy of that comment ill let you think about it...

Moak a programmer and "security expert".. Does that make you the Programmer and "security expert" assistant? Can i play this game too. Im going to call myself Head of Special Secert Operations of Some Sort..

Do all real programmers and security experts post under anonymous or guest names like moak?

BTW im a college student..

So the fact that both you and moak have supported things like OpenP2Pnet which is the idea of splitting gnutella from the open source and closed source programs, and the fact that for many months at every opportunity you and moak have called for bearshare and other programs at times to leave the network and have stated that you and i have no doubt moak too have personally does not like bearshare or vinnie does nothing to instigate a split?

If im the one being unappropiate then why do you have to post threads like this, why does moak have to hide behind guest/anonymous names, and why doesnt it seem that very few people take either of you seriously..

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
So the fact that both you and moak have supported things like OpenP2Pnet which is the idea of splitting gnutella from the open source and closed source programs,

Why are you lying Seph? I have NEVER supported this net, I said I AM AGAINST A SPLIT, get your facts right and don´t post such crap.


and the fact that for many months at every opportunity you and moak have called for bearshare and other programs at times to leave the network

More lies, we said if bearshare (Vinnie) wants to act like he wants he should create his own net, if not he should respect some rules... next time post some links that proove your LIES... if possible. A yes and did you forgot that Vinnie is speaking for 15 months about an own net? Did you forgot that he mentioned it some times in the GDF? Did you forgot that he started recently to post such ideas on the boards?


Moak a programmer and "security expert".. Does that make you the Programmer and "security expert" assistant?

YOU started this game, YOU said that I am posting the same arguements as Moak. I asked several coders for their opinion and read the statements of them so I think I can sure build my opinion.


Do all real programmers and security experts post under anonymous or guest names like moak?

Not all but many, on gnutellaforums there were a lot of them before we closed this forum for the public...


and why doesnt it seem that very few people take either of you seriously..

He? I think more people take us serious than you, you are the bearshare VIP not me or Moak, read the replies count them together and say who get more response, I don´t count bearshare.net only NEUTRAL sides.

the only people that don´t take us serious are Vinnie and some other VIPs, btw Wheels-off is also a bearshare VIP so OF COURSE neutral too...

I see as usual when you are out of arguements you try to badmouth me, Seph if you want that people take you serious and if you don´t want that people reply with personal remarks stop your personal accusations... grow up!

Morgwen

[Carpe Diem]

p2p programs are fruitful, as many come as many goes, i think that people will choose what fits there needs. i really like this program called shareaza. it seems to be a good client. i would recommend winmx, too, and kazaalite. its up to a user to use what they like.

[backmann]

Originally posted by Morgwen
I read something like blocking bearshare etc. I wonder why?

I honestly don't like it. I think that it's not Bearshare users' fault if somebody includes features you don't like. Besides, it would split even more the network.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by backmann


I honestly don't like it. I think that it's not Bearshare users' fault if somebody includes features you don't like. Besides, it would split even more the network.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Backmann,

the joke is Vinnie is argueing that this feature is optional, so Raphael Manfredi suggested to block the user who turn on this feature - where is the sense in supporting these users?

And more splitting is not (almost) possible, because there is no up- download possible with this feature and I think its right when the developres say we don´t want to spent our ressources to support clients that have NOTHING TO OFFER!

Clustering + secure channels = split

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Carpe Diem
p2p programs are fruitful, as many come as many goes, i think that people will choose what fits there needs. i really like this program called shareaza. it seems to be a good client. i would recommend winmx, too, and kazaalite. its up to a user to use what they like.

You should also try iMesh there is also a clean version available, iMesh is able to coonect to fasttrack (Kazaa, Grockster) and have also his own net, and if you like videos eDonkey is unbeatable!!!

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

I could dig up the post where you said that you want to create a spyware-free p2p network in theopenp2pnet thread.

Also that you hold personal grudges against bearshare and vinnie and so your not so neutral yourself..

And also say that Raphael's post was only the idea and that it has not been done yet so its premature to start saying that other programs will be blocking.

See you next month when you have some more gntellaforums threads to post here.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
I could dig up the post where you said that you want to create a spyware-free p2p network in theopenp2pnet thread.

The difference with my idea is that I though about a new protocol and don´t wanted to block other clinets like this open source net or bearshare... and I think its legitim if we wouldn´t accept Spyware in our net!

So Vinnie can create his own protocol and do whatever he wants to...

first you said this:

Originally posted by Sephiroth
So the fact that both you and moak have supported things like OpenP2Pnet which is the idea of splitting gnutella from the open source and closed source programs,

This is a lie... I never supported this net! You should read the threads more carefully...


Also that you hold personal grudges against bearshare and vinnie and so your not so neutral yourself..

Its obvious that I am not neutral, I never said it you were claiming that you are neutral...

About the personal grudges, yes Vinnie is flaming me very often... I am only human... so you blame me that I don´t like him?


And also say that Raphael's post was only the idea and that it has not been done yet so its premature to start saying that other programs will be blocking.

I read it from at least 2 or 3 other developers, but you sure read ALL of the posts, right? And what is premature then I say they are thinking about blocking???


See you next month when you have some more gntellaforums threads to post here

Seph...

yes you are so funny... I could start my own thread here but why should I? So you can see some replies from other users... the infos come from the GDF... and I will sure post more and I wait for your propaganda and lies...

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

Here is the link:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9434&perpage=15&highlight=open%20source%20net&pagenumber=1

So read it... read it very slow... perhaps you are able to understand it then...

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Morgwen
Here is the link:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9434&perpage=15&highlight=open%20source%20net&pagenumber=3

So read it... read it very slow... perhaps you are able to understand it then...

Morgwen

I thought i understood it the first time.. If you noticed ive posted numerous time strongly against the idea of OpenP2Pnet..

Your network is not legitimate because you base the entire thing off of a nontechnical issue like weather it has adware or not.. That and it seems now that in order to create your network you want to push the programs that do have adware off the current gnutella network out to their own network only leaving the adware free ones and shaping gnutella into your plan.. Problem with that is that others where there first. Maybe its you should be making a new network and if its what people want then it will be successful if not then better luck next time..

BTW the idea on the gdf isnt to block all bearshare from the network only the users who turn authentication on which i figured something like that would happen but as time goes but users can turn it off and traditionally people share more files when they dont feel threatened by the trade groups. Also it was posted that some things about security would be moved into private conversations... So i expect not everything is open to the public..

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
I thought i understood it the first time.. If you noticed ive posted numerous time strongly against the idea of OpenP2Pnet..

Perhaps you understood the idea of the open source net... BUT I NEVER supported this idea...

Now read carefully:

I suggested a NEW protocol, a NEW net and we can do what ever we want in our new net including the option to forbid Spyware, is this clear?

The Open source net is based on blocking commercial clients within the Gnutella net, do you see a differrence?

If not you shouldn´t talk about any technical stuff because you don´t understand it...


BTW the idea on the gdf isnt to block all bearshare from the network only the users who turn authentication on which i figured something like that would happen

See what I wrote a few posts ago:
so Raphael Manfredi suggested to block the user who turn on this feature

I read the post... did you also noticed that blocking by IP will hit another bearshare user who never used this option?

I think Raphael Manfredi said something like, "at least it hits a bearshare user"!

You should post the whole story and not only some parts...

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

I do understand the difference it seems you cant determine when i was talking about openp2pnet and your little idea which that one sentence saying that i was against openp2pnet is the only part of my last post about it..

Maybe you should leave the technical parts to people who know what they are doing if you think that the adware has anything to do with the protocol in gnutella today..

You also didnt say anything about how your going to create such a network so was i correct to say that you plan on createing such a adware free servent only network by forcing the programs which do have adware off the network? If not then why are concerned with gnutella anyways wouldnt work to your advantage if gnutella died and your gnutella varient network was up and able to grab all the programs/users?

But there is a big difference between blocking users who only have authentication on if that even happens and blocking the entire program which was implied earlyer..

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
You also didnt say anything about how your going to create such a network so was i correct to say that you plan on createing such a adware free servent only network by forcing the programs which do have adware off the network?

You didn´t get it...

what you describe is the open source net...

you are not only right because I didn´t told how I want to do it, you don´t know with how many developers and coders I talked in private... ah yes sure its not possible to find some coders and ask them for a new protocol, this is NOT POSSIBLE... so we have to use the Gnutella network - sure!

And next time if you read something, ask me before you start with such accusations - liar!

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

Back to the topic.

Lets see what your secure features are worth:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=45743#post45743

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Morgwen
Back to the topic.

Lets see what your secure features are worth:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=45743#post45743

Morgwen

Really your acting like Vinnie naive and stupid.. Which is not the case.. Really why hasnt Bearshare Pro been cracked yet? This may shock you especially morgwen but Vinnie is not dumb, if you actually new more about the authentication the security is layered, and in the future will be updated as current methods outlive their usefullness. Only a naive and ignorant person believes that security is a one time deal.. Security is a behavior which requires constant updated to always stay one step ahead.

Plus armadillo is most likely not the only protection and juse because there is a crack doesnt mean that it will work.. The link you posted has mentioned a armadillo crack 1.1 which after looking at another website i wasnt able to find a crack that would remove armadillo for verison 2.53 is the shipping verison from the first web site in the google search result link...

Which like i said the first rule of security of not making the titantic mistake of "Not even god can defeat this" that the content providers like to make every few years, to have more than one methods, and to constantly update it to stay ahead of the game...

Explain how will morgwenet take off if no one knows about it? Im sorry my crystal ball is in the shop.. Mind reading isnt my speciality.. I do that mad voodoo that i do so well..

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Really why hasnt Bearshare Pro been cracked yet?

First bearshre PRO is only for a few weeks out, and I read a comment from Dr. Damm that he only hacks GOOD programs...

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68

There is really no need to hack bearshare PRO, because there are enough other free clients out there, this is not the case with kazaa or other nets...

Vinnie is not dump but he isn´t also the only man who knows something about security... even Microsoft is not able to give you good protection but Vinnie is? Sometimes you are funny...

But believe me if the RIAA will try to crack the prog they will be able too and they won´t post in on the websites do you think they are stupid? They will decode it and add the key to their "client" and searching for bad bearsharers...


Explain how will morgwenet take off if no one knows about it

Seph if you would read my comments you would know whats going on... I said this is an idea, not a plan... and better than this open source.net or Vinnie´s blocking net...

If I would have the time to support such a project I would think about it, and I am sure I would find some helpful people...

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Using Microsoft as the standard for all security practices is whats funny... Comparing a P2P application to a Operating System in any way is also equally humerous.

Maybe you didnt read my thoughts about security in the last post in that security is not a one time thing but is more of a behavior which must be constantly updated and adapted to stay one step ahead..

No shit the riaa will try to reverse enigneer it thats why there is more than one method in the program.. When one goes down the next is turned on and the riaa has to start all over again.. In any case its at least something where the rest of the network has none and if a network wide plan is added then like almost all of the proposals in the past it will take months and much discussion to accomplish so why is something like this bad until a network wide plan that works is found? Is it in your opinion that its in the best interest for users to continue to be open to the attacks on the network today..

The whole idea behind these attacks is to weaken the network by frustrating users and get them to leave the network and thats what gnutella needs a nice big dead open network right? Have you looked at the historical size (http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/size) of the network its going down... Holding sort of steady from may to early june and look its been decreasing at the same time these attacks have started!

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Using Microsoft as the standard for all security practices is whats funny... Comparing a P2P application to a Operating System in any way is also equally humerous.

Why is it funny? Its closed source and they have a lot of coders... MUCH more than freepeers, I wonder that Linux is a lot of securer, open source?


The whole idea behind these attacks is to weaken the network by frustrating users and get them to leave the network and thats what gnutella needs a nice big dead open network right? Have you looked at the historical size of the network its going down...

I know what the RIAA is trying, and I never said that security is a bad idea, I said to block other "friendly" clients is not the way to go...

about the historical statistic, the explanation is not that the people worry about security... Gnutella goes back to the size before Morpheus died. The Morpheus users realized that Gnutella is not fasttrack and so they are going back or searching something new... tell me why they leave to fasttrack? Because of their security? Nooooooooooooo... the fasttrack protocol is better and faster, that is why the people leave...

And you don´t get it into your head... the OPEN SOURCE NETWORK IS NOT SUPPORTED BY ME... speak with the creator about it not with me, my ideas NEVER included Gnutella, perhaps the P2P world needs a better and faster protocol than Gnutella? At least an improved protocol...

Morgwen

[evilmegaman]

Remember...Since when did bears "share"?

[Sephiroth]

Linux has just as many bugs as a windows because its a collection of differnt OSs like Mandrake, redhat, openbsd and etc and not just one like windows, and that its not used by a majority of PC users so its not widely publicized because of that..

If the RIAA is cloning "friendly servants" then how do you know who is friendly or not? Do you think your going to see RIAA in the user-agent? Maybe they will have a little greeting "Hello dont mind us where just here to destory the network. Buy DRM-CDs! -RIAA" Innocent until proven guilty is only for the courts everything else is the opposite...

The drop in users to too sharp and presistant for your reason to work.. Also morpheous has been on gnutella for a while and many people know that its not fasttrack which is why the network isnt at its peak at the start of the morpheous rush to the network..

I dont believe i talked about morgwnet in my last post.. So i dunno why your still on that.. I could make a few speculations now but ill wait until sometime in the future..

[cheapprick]

Kinda nice to see two people with differing opinions (and apparently a great deal of gknowledge on the subject) argue their points without getting too childish.

Different ideas are what's going to keep p2p alive in the long run.

[evilmegaman]

Unfortunately it all leads down to money.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Linux has just as many bugs as a windows because its a collection of differnt OSs like Mandrake, redhat, openbsd and etc and not just one like windows, and that its not used by a majority of PC users so its not widely publicized because of that..

Now you are funny...

Linux is a lot more stable as Windows everybody who use Linux will confirm this, I MEAN EVERYBODY.. lets think why is Windows by the mayority? Remember that the most Computers are sold with a Windows OS and that Microsoft forbids to sell an other OS, they signed stiff agreements that why its called monopoly... did you ever used Linux? It seems not...


Do you think your going to see RIAA in the user-agent? Maybe they will have a little greeting "Hello dont mind us where just here to destory the network

Of course they will not say hello, but you can find out how they work and then do something against this... a general blocking of friendly clients within the Gnutella client isn´t acceptable, if Vinnie fear that his user are unsafe within Gnutella he should create his own "secure net", there would be no need to block other clients... and I didn´t read any reasonble explanation why he don´t do it...


I dont believe i talked about morgwnet in my last post

I know you didn´t talked about this, but you talked about the open source net and I said I am not the creator so tell him what you feel not me... Ok? I also said I am against this idea, so why do you repeat it over and over?


The drop in users to too sharp and presistant for your reason to work

A yes? This has nothing to do with Morpheus? After Morpheus came to Gnutella the users were about 350.000... your hostcount says something between 120.000 - 140.000, where are the other 200.000 user? The most popular net is fasttrack, they have no security features, why are they so popular then? AFAIK freenet has security features why isn´t this net more popular? You should do a little more investigation...

And you should know that Bearshare will now attract the RIAA, a developer who support user to share illegal files will get in trouble... needless to say they will watch out more for bearshare nodes...

Morgwen

[Sephiroth]

Actually yes i have used linux.. Anyways the issue isnt linux vs windows here..

Morpheous has been on the network for alot more than from june... If you look at the BIG spike in the historical size thats when morpheous joined gnutella then youll notice a drop off with the network holding in the 200-300 thousand range of hosts for a few months.. Unless morpheous users have been using gnutella for a few months and all of a suddent decided to leave at the same time that the exploits on the network start up the data does not support your morpheous theory...

Freenet is not ment to be a manstream File Sharing network the creator has said that a long time ago.. Freenet is also not user friendly, confusing and lacks content which is why its not popular.. It runs off Key Libraries which can be centralized and can be controlled.. Freenet's purpose is more of a peekabooty humanitarian effort which would allow people who live in countries under authortarian governments to get access to outside news and information prohibited by their government..

Fasttrack is a propierty network is not safe from the tradegroups since they have been sued in the past and there is still lawsuits, they can control the network and its also not secure from things like worms which have popped up.. It may be popular now but it wont last..

Like i said before how on gnutella can you tell who is friendly and who is not since the malicious users can easily clone other programs and disgusie and look just like them? Its not that simple if it was then all programs would have just blocked them long ago and this wouldnt be a issue.. A simple blacklist of their netblock against the firms are are hired by the tradegroups isnt going to work forever..

It has been known that the RIAA has been monitoring gnutella for a over a year now.. Users and content attrach the RIAA not features.. Which is why other smaller networks havent been targeted yet because they are not yet a significant threat...

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Morpheous has been on the network for alot more than from june... If you look at the BIG spike in the historical size thats when morpheous joined gnutella then youll notice a drop off with the network holding in the 200-300 thousand range of hosts for a few months.. Unless morpheous users have been using gnutella for a few months and all of a suddent decided to leave at the same time that the exploits on the network start up the data does not support your morpheous theory...

I know since then Morpheus is on the net... really I know the story... I think the user waited for Morpheus 2.0 and realized that version will (perhaps) never come, so they went back to fasttrack... because fasttrack is the better protocol...

At least this is a better theory than yours, because you want to tell me they left because of the security... but why should they leave an unsecure net to an other unsecure net???


Fasttrack is a propierty network is not safe from the tradegroups since they have been sued in the past and there is still lawsuits, they can control the network and its also not secure from things like worms which have popped up..

Should this confirm now your theory that the people left because of the security within Gnutella? this confirms only that fasttrack is more popular, why? Because they have the better protocol more users and more files. The most people don´t care about security because they don´t know about the risk... many are freeloaders, they are only interested in getting their files not security... this people are safe anyway...

Now to bearshare, you think the people will like that they find much less files? Perhaps a few ones but the most will be angry about this... you also told me something about user numbers on Gnutella... now tell me why bearshare is splitting the net and lower the user number? So now tell me how will you manage a big Gnutella net (with bearshare) when bearshare is blocking other clients? This makes no sense...

So if Vinnie really wants to be safe he should create his own net...

Lets think a little about his security, he could share the key... BUT only with closed source clients, hmm... sounds like the same thing as the open source net only that you change "open" to "closed"... I think you don´t like the idea? Why its Ok when Vinnie is doing such things but if others try to chnage something its bad, tell me why all of Vinnies ideas are good and the ideas from other coders are bad? You told me that you are neutral, but Seph the truth is you are not... you are 100% bearshare fan... you should open your eyes for other ideas and not close them and pray Vinnies words... there are a lot of good coders out there and Vinnie is sure NOT the best of them...

btw the client is called Morpheus and not Morpheous...

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

I posted this on bearshare.net:

http://www.bearshare.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=14633

Build your own opinion about this "freeloder channel"...

Morgwen

[evilmegaman]

BearShare has the capability to be a great client but they hafta prove it. And you two shouldn't ignore ppl who have been posting.:wings