Al-Jazeera OR NBC

[cribology crew]

What would you prefer to watch, the hyper criticized AL-JAZEERA or NBC who'll sack staff whose every word is 100% pro US?

[cribology crew]

No lemmie try again

What would you prefer to watch to get news about the war, the hyper criticized AL-JAZEERA or NBC who'll sack staff whose every word isn't 100% pro US?

[kuajmc]

some professor in norway stated that BBC is the most neutral news channel, but even though you should probably get news for different sources, contemplate WHAT WORDS they use, then make up your mind whether you want to believe it or not...
over those two channels? I'll pass...

[Undermind]

for now I choose none, the media today disgusts me

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

its best to get news from all over, but to ignore the corporate owned US media as much as possible (unless you enjoy being systematically lied to)

[Wings_of_Azrael]

I'm sick of being flat out lied to, then dissed by people who think the only credible sources for news and info in the world are Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, ect.

And that's all I have to say about that, because... well... some of you know.

[Ardor]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone actually got the channel Al Jazeera, or just seen some images on (for example) the American Media?

I've seen a fairly objective review of A.J. on a French channel (btw I'm not french) the other day and it seems like they have access to much more information and people in the Middle-East, than a pro-american channel or even the BBC, would ever get.

Best thing imo, is to get ALL the information from EVERYWHERE and make up your own mind.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

aljazeera TV is in arabic, but the english language website carried stories and pictures from the war before a bunch of lamers knocked it offline.

[cribology crew]

Yes the BBC tends to be good, the NBC only fired Peter Arnett after a couple of major sponsors threatened to withdraw their sponsorship fund, nice to see NBC have their priorities strait
1)money & profits
2)freedom of speech

if you aint up on the news you can read about Peter Arnett below:
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Apr/04022003/commenta/44038.asp

[Sephiroth]

yes if it isnt a amateur ran "independent" highly biased new agency then your being lied too...

Im sick of people who believe in all the crap they read on biased, one sided, amateurish websites and then go on web forums and argue like everything that those site have is true.

Anyone who looks to news to give them a opinion is a moron.

out of the choices they both suck since but id have to choose NBC why because Peter Arnett is a moron and deserved it.. No offense but he worked for a US news company and why he thought it was a good idea to not only give a interview to iraqi state tv which he didnt have premission and then critize the US and not expect it to get back and piss some people off is beyond me.. He is over there to work, and should have conducted himself more professionally.

Why people here want to defend his stupidity is really beyond me.. Most people's opinion on what "freedom of speech" really is here is seriously f-ed up. Just as he had the right to shoot his mouth off people have the same right to not like it and to be pissed.

If he was fired for making racists, pro-nazi or any other remarks like that and got fired then would you all be saying the same thing?

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Anyone who looks to news to give them a opinion is a moron.

This begs the question: where do you get your opinions from Sephiroth? Do you fly out to Iraq to view the battles for yourself and interview Iraqi people first hand?

[cribology crew]

re: If he was fired for making racists, pro-nazi or any other remarks like that and got fired then would you all be saying the same thing?

personally Yes. Freedom means taking the good and the bad.



“why because Peter Arnett is a moron and deserved it.. “

Seph, you say Peter Arnet is over there to work but then you seem to think Journalists shouldn’t critize (the USA, obviously they’re above such things) or give interviews. What sought of work should he do then?

“Anyone who looks to news to give them a opinion is a moron.”

What do you base your opinions on, seeing that none of us are in IRAQ - Gossip?

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
This begs the question: where do you get your opinions from Sephiroth? Do you fly out to Iraq to view the battles for yourself and interview Iraqi people first hand?

I should ask you the same question.. But those biased websites arent really news its like getting p2p news from the RIAA..

Information is avaiable, presented in certain ways. Now how the information is presented and how its explained are two different things which since you pretty much said that all corporate media is all lies which is ovious that your either doing more sterotypeing, or you dont get it..

One can be like the others in this thread you included and look to news not only to inform but to also give you an opinion beind led around which doesnt matter what news source it is because it happens with every one no matter what it is.

Or you can look at just the information itself and make your own opinions/judgements which requires one to weed out the bullshit from the rest which again is in every news source and really isnt hard.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
I should ask you the same question.. But those biased websites arent really news its like getting p2p news from the RIAA..

If you thought my opinions on US foreign policy were formed from a few websites you would be wrong.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Or you can look at just the information itself and make your own opinions/judgements which requires one to weed out the bullshit from the rest which again is in every news source and really isnt hard.

Well i agree, and i didnt say that all corporate media was lies, and aljazeera was truth, all media filters news in some way and present it within some framework. News is only an approximation to the truth, it is just that al jazeera is a better approximation to the truth than foxnews or CNN.

[collideous]

I read them all. American TV is so bad that I never replaced the idiot box when it left with my exGF. So, while I read news from CNN, MSNBC, the various sources on Yahoo, I also read BBC, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, Le Figaro, and Pravda just to name a few. It's always good to get a view of the world without wearing horse blinders.

P.S. Besides the Arab and English Al-Jazeera web sites, there's a German, a French, and an Italian one.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by cribology crew
re: If he was fired for making racists, pro-nazi or any other remarks like that and got fired then would you all be saying the same thing?

personally Yes. Freedom means taking the good and the bad.

“why because Peter Arnett is a moron and deserved it.. “

Seph, you say Peter Arnet is over there to work but then you seem to think Journalists shouldn’t critize (the USA, obviously they’re above such things) or give interviews. What sought of work should he do then?

“Anyone who looks to news to give them a opinion is a moron.”

What do you base your opinions on, seeing that none of us are in IRAQ - Gossip?

God no i dont listen to any of the posts here.. I think they are all dumb and a waste of space..

Peter Arnett WAS the one being interview he wasnt giving one.. Why is simple if you are rude to customers in any business and piss them off then why would they keep coming back? None of you here bitch out customers, your boss, make offensive statements at your jobs do you? No because youll get fired. Doesnt mean you cant do it means you probably shouldnt have done it especially in public for all to see..

Freedom of speech does not mean that a person doesnt take responisbility for what they say and the conquences of their actions which is what your pretty much saying and your wrong and isnt freedom in any respect because freedom comes with responisbility and isnt without conquences..

Which what this comes down to is you complaining about others exciseing their freedom to speak their opinions about someone else who spoke theirs and they dont agree with which it seems pretty damn ironic to me...

[cribology crew]

How do you know ALL the sources I base my opinions on, are you a mind reader?

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
If you thought my opinions on US foreign policy were formed from a few websites you would be wrong.

Oh no there is all the sterotypes that you believe too..

Anyway it doesnt matter because youll never agree with US policy on anything because your not a US citizen and the US government is not out to please you, nor to be the babybsitter of the world. Thats why you have your own countries government for..

Which i find it odd that your more concerned with the politics of a country that your not a citizen of, dont live in, than your own countries politics..

cribology crew it doesnt matter people who get fed opinions hate it when they get challanged or questions which they werent fed answers too get asked. They get defensive, repetitive, and some even resort to personal attacks.. Really no different than the program fanboys like anenga except with a different topic.

[cribology crew]

"simple if you are rude to customers in any business and piss them off then why would they keep coming back?"

Arnett's an award winning journalist, not a branch manager at k-mart.


and while NBC can hire and fire whoever they want, I hope they tell its viewers that their news coverage is biased.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by cribology crew
"simple if you are rude to customers in any business and piss them off then why would they keep coming back?"

Arnett's an award winning journalist, not a branch manager at k-mart.

and while NBC can hire and fire whoever they want, I hope they tell its viewers that their news coverage is biased.

Doesnt matter the reason is still the same, who cares what awards he one hes still human and still must accept responisbility for his actions.

Again maybe you dont get it but when you work for someone your not only represent yourself but that company as well and if that company does not like your performance or conduct then your going to get fired. The fact that he was award winning tells me he should have known better.

Couldnt the same arguement be made that NBC is biased be made if they didnt fire him? Really you have no arguement with this topic i suggest you drop it.

[cribology crew]

Seph you complain about people sterotyping, but earlier you wrote:

"I think they are all dumb and a waste of space"

ever heard the saying "People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

and then you say;

"Which i find it odd that your more concerned with the politics of a country that your not a citizen of, dont live in, than your own countries politics.."

You might wish to address that comment to President Bush, and Prime Minister Blair. If you know anything about american foreign policy over the last 30 years, you would see the irony of your previous quoted statement.

Not discussing this anymore today, now I head off home to watch England versus Turkey in the Football.

[Ken17625]

I use my crystal ball........

[ozamosi]

"there is no truth. theres just different layers of bullshit. the one you chose to believe in is what you call truth"
/Dustin Hoffman

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Oh no there is all the sterotypes that you believe too..

Give some examples of the stereotypes i have used then.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Anyway it doesnt matter because youll never agree with US policy on anything because your not a US citizen and the US government is not out to please you, nor to be the babybsitter of the world. Thats why you have your own countries government for..

Which i find it odd that your more concerned with the politics of a country that your not a citizen of, dont live in, than your own countries politics..

There you go making the same discredited argument again that you have already made and had completely refuted twice before.

For the record i could care less about US domestic policy and concern myself only with US foreign policy which affects the whole world.


Originally posted by Sephiroth
cribology crew it doesnt matter people who get fed opinions hate it when they get challanged or questions which they werent fed answers too get asked. They get defensive, repetitive, and some even resort to personal attacks..

Aint that the truth. you only have to look at the posts of krell in previous war threads to see that.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Sephiroth


Again maybe you dont get it but when you work for someone your not only represent yourself but that company as well and if that company does not like your performance or conduct then your going to get fired.



You have a strange view of the role of a journalist. Jourmalism is not a popularity contest. The job of a journalist is not to please his audience, his corporate sponsors or his boss. His job is to tell the truth.

The only surprising thing about this sorry episode is that someone who had the balls to tell the truth got a job in the US media in the first place.

[Sephiroth]

No offense but what sane person is going to take someone who has a avatar of castol seriously? I mean hes just as bad as saddam who you supposely dont support but you sure like everything saddams been saying lately..

Actually i should have used the word assumptions instead.. Which you have assumed alot..

Again you government is what you should be worried about not the US because its really your government that deals with US foreign policy not you. Anyways your little crusade here again accomplishes nothing.

A journalist job is to report the news.. Their opinion is not news.

Time after time again ive said this isnt a political forum.. Im getting sick of seeing political threads like this one, the pushing of politics by many here and the agruements, flaming and other crap that occurs.

Maybe they should get closed and people can execerise the freedom of staying on the damn topic of a p2p forum and chat politics elsewheres. Ive tried moving them all to one forum and it doesnt seem like its working..

Which im closing all the war threads i see until i/other mods figure out what to do.