Will Leechamer Really change habits?

[snarkridden]

http://www.smartgamez.org/ gives access to LEECHAMMER
for WinMx 3.31...

If this utility, and others like it catch on, will they change the face of file sharing as we know it (the BAD face that is)

Zero files shared No Excuses accepted : NO DOWNLOADS

Being Greedy, requesting 10-20 files in one session, files requested cut to set limits:

Do this more than a few times: HAMMERED which means you are IGNORED for good, or at least until 512 Others get ignored and the WinMx Ignore list rolls round.

Those are the main Anti-Leech / Anti-Hog features

But don't think it stops there: Manage your queues according to available bandwidth: Allow Generous users more slots, check out suspicious users with large shares that are running no uploads...

Leechammer has changed the sharing experience here for good, I can now leave WinMx On 24 hours, knowing that those getting files will be sharers, sharers that have NOT had to wait for hours behind Hogs & leeches..

Its a SAD fact though that the number of NON-sharers still matches or exceeds the average files/per sharer figure of around 500 files.. Thats on the WNP network, on the larger Opennap networks the Non-sharers are at about 60% of the average, in the Stats graphs.

Snark..

[Sephiroth]

The problems of winmx is really problems with how features of winmx like queueing and etc were implemented.. They dont work and dracoian add ons with only a very very small number of people use wont make that much a difference because it doesnt fix bad design which even if it was fixed it would take months to phase in..

They dont help in downloading "rare" files which arent really rare.. Rare in the P2P sense is really popular files where demand for the files outpace supply for a variety of reasons like its not propogated enough, not enough avaible sources at that moment, and demand all influence that.

"anti-leech" features just dont work. some people still mistakenly believe that they do but they ultimately dont.. Because ultimately they are all based off a single user defining how much sharing is enough, how long users should stay on and in the case of this program force things like how many uploads you have going on the same people who have no control over it because they cant force others to get files.

[Bmonk]

i believe there's some tool(made by japs) that u will automatically initiate transfering the queue in ur share if ur downloading from the same person. also there's a modified version of WinMX.exe out there that allows u to set zero upload slots.

if u guys r so worried bout leechers those 2 r must-haves.

[nip]

Originally posted by Bmonk
also there's a modified version of WinMX.exe out there that allows u to set zero upload slots.

if u guys r so worried bout leechers those 2 r must-haves.
Your post (and your english) makes no sense. Why should somebody that is worried about leechers install a zero-upload hack if this is the problem with WinMX? He's making a leecher out of himself.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

i dont think anti leecing tools really work, they just breed a smarter kind of leecher.

gonna cut me off cos im sharing zero files?
Fine - ill put a couple of crappy pics of my grandma in my shared folder.

gonna cut me off cos im sharing less than 20 files?
No problem - ill throw a bunch of shitty text files in there.

and so it goes on. The leechers still get their files, and the people who really suffer are the newbies who come to p2p expecting a welcoming environment where they can learn to download and share, and end up getting zapped by some geek playing god with his file queue.

[Mel_Smiley]

I strongly disagree, If you come to sit at my table you better bring more than an empty plate.



P.S. at my pc I am god

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

what? you make your dinner guests bring their own food? bloody miser.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

LOL

I think LeecHammer is helping winmx extremely as it is teaching those god-damned leeches that sharing is the only way to get your files. Thus, either the leeches on winmx move over to kazaa or they start sharing. IT FORCES them to make one of the two decisions... heh

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by Bmonk
i believe there's some tool(made by japs) that u will automatically initiate transfering the queue in ur share if ur downloading from the same person. also there's a modified version of WinMX.exe out there that allows u to set zero upload slots.

if u guys r so worried bout leechers those 2 r must-haves.

wtf is this????
the hack u r talking about, setting ur queue to 0, is recognized by LeecHammer and so while u r friggin' "leech-free".......u too, will be hammered.

this is a lousy excuse to become the very thing u complain about.

as for whether these apps do any good in the long run......well, who cares, it takes care of the short-term.
just put the settings at the minimum and the newbies get what they want and the zero file users get hammered.
atleast until something better comes our way.
the reality is...is that there will always be greedy basturds.
for the most part, the p2p user is a generous, gentle, bright,shiny, star....i love them all.....;)

[Tic3]

Who gives a rat's @ss?

If you don't want someone "leeching" off you, well it's your computer...your choice. Do whatever you want.

There are PLENTY of people out there who really don't give a rat's @ss whether someone is "leeching" or not.

There are too many people don't know the difference between "sharing" and "trading". The do NOT mean the same thing.

SHARE: usually implies that one as the original holder grants to another the partial use, enjoyment, or possession of a thing (shared my toys with the others) - Webster

TRADE: to give in exchange for another commodity - Webster.

If you want to SHARE, then don't worry about what other people are doing or not doing.

If you want to TRADE, find another way to do it 'cause this ain't "file trading", it's "file sharing".

Tic3

I'll climb down off my soap box now

[Mel_Smiley]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
what? you make your dinner guests bring their own food? bloody miser.


Well i am but a poor man trying to make it in this world alone. The ex left me with three cats to feed so any help with them will be much welcomed also

[eclectica]

What's interesting about LeecHammer is that it's a program which was developed by someone with a passion for WinMX, and upset about the leeches, from what I can tell. It is heartening to see such energy in the p2p community, where no one gets paid for anything, and the passionate ones rise to the fore front.

I once read a study about what causes a desire in people to punish others. And contrary to popular notion, a person who wants to punish others and administer justice is not selfish, but rather is acting selflessly on the behalf of the community. It's easier to just let the leeches download from us than to take all these efforts to fight them, so clearly it is something noble which drives us to punish others.

I can see the contradiction of refusing to share with people who are leeches, how that makes one a leech himself. Yet in considering the realities of a network, in which bandwidth is a scarcity, then budgeting has to come into play. So the folks aren't greedy; they just choose to budget their bandwidth with more priority given to people who are sharing more files, than to leeches.

I wonder what effect the program has on the WinMX network itself, as it probably must be doing several automatic "whois" inquiries on all the people in the queues.

I don't think the LeecHammer program will cause fewer leeches, but I do think it will give them a harder time at being leeches. And it will give the people who share more ease. That's what I would call p2p justice.

For those of you who think it is best to do nothing rather than take active steps to combat leeches, consider this quote:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Such a reasonable post from a person with such an unreasonable avatar.

[Mel_Smiley]

yeah very well said electica. but your avi is a little scury

[Lamourlady]

yes......eloquently written as usual.
good post eclectica! ;)

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by snarkridden
http://www.smartgamez.org/ gives access to LEECHAMMER
for WinMx 3.31...


Being Greedy, requesting 10-20 files in one session, files requested cut to set limits:

..

This is assinine, The whole point of having broadband is to download MANY MANY files, and if i am not maxing out my connection with 1 2 or even 10 downlaods, i add more.

And if i am downloading 20 files from someone at once, that has the bandwidth for it, i do not feel bad about it at all. Thats the whole point, to share, is it not?

I dont care if someone is sharing or not. The definition of sharing, is giving freely without expecting anything in return, and I dont. Kazaa is bad mouthed because "All of the leachers" well ya know what? i have been able to find over 95% of what most people claim is only on other networks.

With file sharing as large as it has become, cross seeding of files from one network to another has become so prolific, that no network truly has exclusive content, and anyone that says "Not true, ONLY MY (insert favorite P2P app here) has such and such
is deluding themselves.

Some networks are BETTER for certain files yes, but i will admit, there are many great ways to get files, we all have our preferences.

My whole point is, leachers havent hurt a damned thing, Yes it *can* have a negetive effect on networks, but frankly, most people who use file sharing, dont even know how to turn sharing off, let alone configure anti leach tools.

I say to all those people, get off your damned digital high horse.

[Tic3]

As I said before, your computer...your choice. Just be sure to use the correct words. Trading is not sharing.

Trying to force someone to trade is no better than the RIAA trying to force someone to pay for CD's. It is absolutely the same thing.

<<I once read a study about what causes a desire in people to punish others. And contrary to popular notion, a person who wants to punish others and administer justice is not selfish, but rather is acting selflessly on the behalf of the community.>>

Right....And all too often, those who are trying to administer "justice" become that which they are trying to combat. Such is the case here. The "anti leech" crowd are absolutely no different than the RIAA.

RIAA - "Pay for this CD or you can't have the music"
Confused File TRADERS: - "Give other people your files or you can't have the music"

Only difference is that the RIAA wants cash...the TRADERS want files.

So just go ahead and stomp your feet and hold your breath and have your little temper tantrums.

I'll just keep on SHARING.

Tic3

[Psilaxs]

Tic3, I couldnt agree more,

I dont give a damn if someone is sharing anything or not, I have let leachers download entire (truly rare albums) from me. because that is the point, And i like what you said, Trading is not sharing.

Even letting leaches download from you will still help spread files, they may tell a friend about it (who doesnt leach) or give copies to friends etc.

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
This is assinine, The whole point of having broadband is to download MANY MANY files, and if i am not maxing out my connection with 1 2 or even 10 downlaods, i add more.

And if i am downloading 20 files from someone at once, that has the bandwidth for it, i do not feel bad about it at all. Thats the whole point, to share, is it not?

for those of u who have like a zillion dls..it's all good if u go dl another from one who has the bandwidth and speed u need. i agree...dl as many as u want. the problem is when u go to a 56ker and your dl is dribbling because of it....then it takes my one or two slots for someone else, who is NOT getting that many files. which to me is just not cool. we can't do as much as u heavy hitters, so allow us to atleast share on a smaller scale.

I dont care if someone is sharing or not. The definition of sharing, is giving freely without expecting anything in return, and I dont. Kazaa is bad mouthed because "All of the leachers" well ya know what? i have been able to find over 95% of what most people claim is only on other networks.

u can get whatever u want from wherever u want. it all comes down to whether u took the time to understand a particular app.....use the one your comfortable with...they all have what we want...it's a given.

With file sharing as large as it has become, cross seeding of files from one network to another has become so prolific, that no network truly has exclusive content, and anyone that says "Not true, ONLY MY (insert favorite P2P app here) has such and such
is deluding themselves.see above...ur right!

Some networks are BETTER for certain files yes, but i will admit, there are many great ways to get files, we all have our preferences.

My whole point is, leachers havent hurt a damned thing, Yes it *can* have a negetive effect on networks, but frankly, most people who use file sharing, dont even know how to turn sharing off, let alone configure anti leach tools.yeah, but for those of us who DO know.......it is annoying and rude...and most of here do know, and that's who ur talking to.

I say to all those people, get off your damned digital high horse.
i bet if u were a 56k.....u wouldn't be so harsh with your words.

[Psilaxs]

Lamourlady, I was on 56K and i carried the same outlook then as i do now.

As far as me hitting up 56k'ers for tons of files, thats not the modus operandi of Broadband users, if a file is comming in any slower then 10K i cancel it.

And I may be talking to the ones that are here (trust me, there are plenty of people here that are new, and would be hard pressed to tell you where the "Disable Sharing" option is in kazaa) but i speak of the millions that are not here, and think the internet IS AOL


>>>>>>>>>>>>u can get whatever u want from wherever u want. it all comes down to whether u took the time to understand a particular app.....use the one your comfortable with...they all have what we want...it's a given. <<<<<<<<<<<<

Why did you go about quoting that with a rebuttel, that I myself gave just one paragraph down ?? LOL

Anyway, we pretty much see eye to eye, i just may be a bit harsher with my wording ;)


BEST Regards LamourLady,

[Lamourlady]

so, ur saying if i, a 56ker, were to dl from u at my best, which is about 5.5kbs......u would cancel me?
and why is that?
i'm sure it wouldn't hinder your own speeds in any way.

and yes, i reiterated what u stated, to show that i agree....hence the "see above". just didn't want to type that again, the second time u mentioned it.
it wasn't a rebuttal.
a rebuttal is when u disagree.
just commenting on the whole.

[The Hunter]

Lamourlady, I think he means that he cancels his own downloads if they are coming in at less than 10k.

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by The Hunter
Lamourlady, I think he means that he cancels his own downloads if they are coming in at less than 10k.

gotcha!
i am the same way....only by 56k standards.......if mine r less than like 3kbs.......i look for a faster one.
for my own sake and theirs.
sorry if i misread u, Psilaxs.
DOH!

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Lamourlady
so, ur saying if i, a 56ker, were to dl from u at my best, which is about 5.5kbs......u would cancel me?
and why is that?
i'm sure it wouldn't hinder your own speeds in any way.

and yes, i reiterated what u stated, to show that i agree....hence the "see above". just didn't want to type that again, the second time u mentioned it.
it wasn't a rebuttal.
a rebuttal is when u disagree.
just commenting on the whole.

*EDIT*

Just read Hunters and your posts, he is correct.

BTW, i know what a rebuttel is ;)

BEST regards,

[Mel_Smiley]

Leechers know what they are doing and if nothing is what you expect, well thats what your gonna get. Ive never cut leechs off and had them bitch about it because they know its wrong. it takes a leech to stand up for a leech. You can try an justify leeching to make yourself feel all warm and fuzzy inside if thats what you want to do. Fine. Just dont bitch when you end up with a bunch of crap downloaded from fools who dont know better. If you cant see how leechs harm file sharing let me come over there and hit you over the head with a tac-hammer





P.S. comparing people who cut leechs to the RIAA is so dumb I think youve already been hit with a tac-hammer

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by Lamourlady
gotcha!
i am the same way....only by 56k standards.......if mine r less than like 3kbs.......i look for a faster one.
for my own sake and theirs.
sorry if i misread u, Psilaxs.
DOH!

geesh.....didn't u even bother to read my other post after Hunter's?????

and if u know what a rebuttal is then u would know that i had agreed with u on the point in which u referred to me as rebutting u.

[snarkridden]

Hey Folks..... Remember Me?

I seem to have started something, but the whole point was to pose the question WILL Leechammer change the leeching habits?

Seems the opinion is divided, with support falling either way, and plenty of "off topic" (well drifted a bit) stuff to pad it out...

Sorry I never saw the other LEECH thread going, rest assured I will post MY statistics, and pictures there, when I find out HOW TO..

An Honest assesment, after reading you all...

I will never run WinMx without leechammer now, the comments I have received from downloaders make it all worth while, comments like "Christ what have you done, you hardly have any queues now, and when you do, I'm up the top pretty quick"

"Never before have I been able to get a whole album in one go from you"

Come to mind, and I do share, 4 or even 6 streams at a time, and I don't kick the snail like 56k'ers, I was one once myself and will always remember how greatful I was to DSL & T1 users for letting me grab a few tracks, even though it sometimes took all day..

Snark..:wings

[notbob]

no.

[Mel_Smiley]

maybe

[MamiyaOtaru]

it's changed my habits. I used to micromanage my queue, which meant winmx was not on when I wasn't at the computer. I can leave it on all the time now, as Leechammer does exactly what I do.. it prevents leeches from downloading from me.

I don't use it as a tool to force people to trade with me. As long as they are sharing something, they are free to grab whatever they want from me. If they have something I'd like, so much the better but it isn't necessary.

Why do I hate leechers enough to have them not be able to download from me? Why should anyone stick his neck out and risk an assraping by the **AA so a leecher can have free stuff, if the leecher isn't willing to do the same thing?

I just find leeching to be horribly disrespectful, and I will treat a leech the same way.

[Mel_Smiley]

Well said brotha

[don webb]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MamiyaOtaru
[B]it's changed my habits. I used to micromanage my queue, which meant winmx was not on when I wasn't at the computer. I can leave it on all the time now, as Leechammer does exactly what I do.. it prevents leeches from downloading from me.

Thanks, saved me some typing :bling

[Wolfie]

I don't think it'll change habits because it is not used in a widespread fashion across the user base to have that kind of effect. The majority of the p2p user base probably not even aware of the leech problem. You have understand that ppl that post on p2p sites are a small cross section of the entire user base. For example, the majority of the ppl on fasttrack use regular kazaa that is bundled with all kinds of crap and are not even aware of it as oppose to almost everyone here is aware of that fact. Same applies to the user base of other programs.

Now if it was implemented with winmx software that might make a difference.

PS. BTW, Cool avatar mel_smiley. :-)

[Mel_Smiley]

I agree to some degree Wolfie but you also have to consider that the average winmx user is smarter than the average kazaa boob. There-for they might actually read about, and find resources for, the programs they use.

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by Mel_Smiley
"...the average winmx user is smarter than the average kazaa boob."

hahahahah.......sorry......that quote was too sweet to pass up, to not use out of context!!!!!!!!!!!

who cares.....as long as their asses r getting booted out of my queue.
it blows my mind how many people r really out there not sharing.

anyone heard the excuse...."my isp is charging me extra for any uploads."

i don't know.....cuz i use dial-up.
what is the truth to this and is it a valid excuse?

[notbob]

or use a real p2p where leeches aren't even allowed on

dc++