What war?

[maartendc]

Question: (restorical actually, so don't answer)

What war is everyone talking about?
Iraq? War in Iraq? Ah!

Number of Americans killed: 0
Number of '"'"terrorist Saddam buddies'"' killed: 0
Number of US troups in Iraq: 0
Number of Saddam troups in US: 0 (offcourse)

Mmmhhh, am I wrong here? Don't you have to kill or attack people to have war?
(again a retorical question, don't answer, offcourse I'm not wrong!)

[d-koolest]

Um, yeah, don't wanna burst yer bubble, but..............

It's a future war!

(ie, it hasn't happened yet)

Also just stating the obvious!:tilted

[maartendc]

Its not going to be future.... mark my words
its not going to exist.

btw, time doesn't exist either in reality. But thats a different matter. I could explain it if you guys want...

But now: On topic: its not going to exist

[d-koolest]

Don't we all wish.:mellow

[maartendc]

Nope

(i do, lotta people don't)

[aqlo]

There are actually more than 100 guys on the ground in Northern Iraq from US special forces already. Their goal is to make sure that if anyone does get killed it will be combatants It may be an unrealistic goal but it's an admirable one. I don't know a lot of other countries that would do that, you don't see the Republican Guard and the Foreign Legion out there parsing populations for minimum collateral damage.

By the way China, please vacate your embassy in Baghdad within the next 7 days.

[maartendc]

Ha yes, soldiers are there to make shure there is noone being killed....

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHHA UHAUHUH CHUE UCHE UCHE...

sorry,

i see, but who is to decide who is a 'combatant'?
For all I know, the American soldiers consider Iraqies 'terrorists'...
And btw, a civilian could also be a terrorist.. SO should we kill the civilians to make shure?

[d-koolest]

We finally found the smoking gun!
Just the excuse we need to go blast the crap out of Iraq!
Just one little problem.....

It's in North Korea.:wings

-Loosly quoted from Jon Stewart

[maartendc]

Ah yes,

Time,

don't argue with me about it, or I will give you my explanation...
and it won't be pretty. Just believe me when I see it don't exist. (in reality anyway, in peoples heads it does)

[aqlo]

Go ahead and give me your silly explanation, I love them.

I am big on n-dimensional non-Euclidean geometry (magic) which tends to demonstrate quite practically that time not only is quite real but has an up-down and a left-right to go with it's forward-back.

It is at least as real as depth perception, the illusion that your eyes are not slightly crossed.

People say violence doesn't solve anything . . . Please name just one important question in all of human history, that has been "solved", that wasn't solved by violence.

[maartendc]

Okay, I'm pretty tired. Its midnight here in Be, so I'll keep it short.

The fact that time doesn't exist basically comes from the fact that 'now' doesn't exist. You could look at the moment 'now' like the point where past and future come togheter. But the moment you say 'now' it's allready gone.

So basically, looking at it graphically, the moment now is surrounded by two graphical figures. On the left side there is the past, but the 'past-curve' goes on in eternity, it is eternaly small, becuase you can go closer and closer to the moment 'now' from the past.
The same goes for the right part of the picture. The right part is a line that represents the future, and this line does also continue in eternal smallness.

So basically, you can refine the moment 'now' untill you reach a zillionth of a second, and then you can still refine it. So basically it doesn't exist.

The fact that time doesn't exist has to do with the fact that you can't hold on to it. The moment you say 'now' its gone, so did it really exist?

Everything we call past and future is in our mind. If we talk about the past, it doesn't exist anymore. If we talk about the future, it doesn't exist yet. And if you look at the fact that the moment 'now' doesn't exist, you can basically conclude that time doesn't exist.


The universe only exist of moving things. Nothing more. Nothing less. Everything is perpetually moving.

So it depends of the way you look at it. Time does exist in people's heads, because we need therms to describe what our memory has captured from the so-called 'past'. And because humans are relatively intelligent beings, we also think about what has yet to come: 'future'. But actually, none of those two things exist anymore or yet.

This is all pretty philosophical, sorry bout that. But I like thinking about stuff like that.

[HansG]

Aqlo, if I may answer that... it depends on what you call a solution. Basically humankind hasn't progressed since the beginning of time. We always rely on the known method... "you are the opposition, so therefore I will kill you... problem eradicated." It is hardly a solution, cos there will always be some kind of opposition.

It's even more shameful that people actually believe in a God and what he represents and still kill in his name.

[ronniebravo]

Iraqi soldiers are already surrendering.

[maartendc]

Originally posted by ronniebravo
Iraqi soldiers are already surrendering.

WTF? explain yourself!

[ronniebravo]

Last week sometime there was a wedding of a couple from a town along the Kuwaiti border. At the festivities gunfire erupted into the sky, it's a tradition to fire off weapons at such events, any way some Iraqi soldiers heard the ruckus thought the war was on and just gave up to some soldiers patroling the border. This has happened a number of times. I believe much of this build up is to scare Sadam into exile. It still might happen. Anyway check out www.drudgereport.com It's a great site!

[overdo]

LMAO. like some1 said earlier they are already USA and UK special forces operating in Iraq. then again they operate in a lot of countries so that don't necessarily mean war is imminant....

[r_xq]

Originally posted by maartendc
Question: (restorical actually, so don't answer)

What war is everyone talking about?
Iraq? War in Iraq? Ah!

Number of Americans killed: 0
Number of '"'"terrorist Saddam buddies'"' killed: 0
Number of US troups in Iraq: 0
Number of Saddam troups in US: 0 (offcourse)

Mmmhhh, am I wrong here? Don't you have to kill or attack people to have war?
(again a retorical question, don't answer, offcourse I'm not wrong!)

you should get your stats correct first off.

Just cos NBC isnt telling you that this is officially a 'war' does not mean there is not a war going on. Iraq has been bombed constantly since the 'end' of the last war.

and your subsequent intellectual explanation seemed like it was lifted from a different conversation entirely and plumped in here to make you look smart.

[Wings_of_Azrael]

There are U.S. troops stationed all over the world in order to "keep the peace." They've been carrying out missions in Iraq, bombing civilians under the "No Fly Zone" for the longest. Not too long ago, I read an article on a U.S. plane bombing a civilian house in the middle of the Iraqi desert for no reason. Inside were a man and his children. The wife came home later to find her family dead and her house reduced to a pile of rubble.

[ronniebravo]

Originally posted by Wings_of_Azrael
There are U.S. troops stationed all over the world in order to "keep the peace." They've been carrying out missions in Iraq, bombing civilians under the "No Fly Zone" for the longest. Not too long ago, I read an article on a U.S. plane bombing a civilian house in the middle of the Iraqi desert for no reason. Inside were a man and his children. The wife came home later to find her family dead and her house reduced to a pile of rubble.
They should blame Sadam! Uprising! REVOLUTION!

[Wings_of_Azrael]

Originally posted by ronniebravo
They should blame Sadam! Uprising! REVOLUTION!

LoL, right on!

Let the U.S. give them the choice between two puppet leaders, just like in America! Liberty and Justice for all!

[HansG]

I need your help... where is Camp David? Can someone please draw a red cross on this map here? Thank you... I'm just looking for a place to go on my final holiday :)

[ronniebravo]

Originally posted by HansG
I need your help... where is Camp David? Can someone please draw a red cross on this map here? Thank you... I'm just looking for a place to go on my final holiday :)
Bring it on melty! BRING IT ON!!!! By the way W don't spend too much time there. Uncle Dick does.

[aqlo]

Yeah, you could probably take out Camp David without hurting the infrastructure, the W doesn't go there except to meet foreign dignitaries, there's a little town in the middle of nowhere with no roads leading in which is the real presidential safe-zone.

But threatening Camp David may be enough to keep you from getting a visa, depends on how effective the INS is.

[maartendc]

Originally posted by r_xq
you should get your stats correct first off.

Just cos NBC isnt telling you that this is officially a 'war' does not mean there is not a war going on. Iraq has been bombed constantly since the 'end' of the last war.

and your subsequent intellectual explanation seemed like it was lifted from a different conversation entirely and plumped in here to make you look smart.

First of all, I don't watch NBC. I live in Belgium and I can't even get it. And I know Iraq has been bombed constantly, but that doesn't make it a war yet.

And what do you mean with my explanation? About time?
Yes, it was taken from a conversation as a matter of fact, but I did came up with those ideas myself, and if the theory is a smart one, then you've just declared me smart.

[nasrules]

ever heard of the SAS? it aint only the us who are in this war.

[Feather]

Originally posted by HansG
I need your help... where is Camp David? Can someone please draw a red cross on this map here? Thank you... I'm just looking for a place to go on my final holiday :)

i hope this is a joke(not very funny one). i tell ya what what to do something about this war go to iraq and become a human shield for them like that idiot did in the palestinian territories. you know the one that got bulldozed by the isreali army.

[BlueLieu]

Wow! Anti-American, Bush hating rhetoric. This is SO uncommon on ZP. :mellow

[maartendc]

Originally posted by BlueLieu
Wow! Anti-American, Bush hating rhetoric. This is SO uncommon on ZP. :mellow

Yes, and pro-American statements are SO uncommon too... :mellow

[Psilaxs]

Maartendc and others,

While i have respect for many members of this site,

This bullshit is getting out of hand, in a time like this we really do NOT need more anti American sentiment, we know where you stand and leave it at that.

But you keep beating a dead horse, we have "discusion" after "discussion" that leads to nowhere, and frankly, some of you (you know who you are) are being quite fanatical.

Just drop it for cripes sake, I mean jeez come on, it isnt bad enough were getting this type of shit from France, Germany,
some middle eastern countries, we have to come to zeropaid and read this vehemence. (And dont give me that dont click the thread bullcrap either, because 65% of all threads now head into exactly what this one has become)

It has nothing to do with hurt feeling because I couldnt really care less(at this point in time, and to a certain degree) what those people say or think, were just fucking sick of it.

Hell, even the ones against the war are now growing tired of it.

Sorry, but you missed the "lets bash America boat" it is 2 weeks gone, 6000 posts burried, and about 5000 miles away.

[UBER-RAT]

i'll tell you, when war does begin dont be surprised if the Internet is "temporarily closed" for reasons of "national security"...

[BlueLieu]

In the interests of not creating annother Iraq War thread, I'll post this here despite the fact that it may be off topic.

BTW: Psilaxs, I agree. I don't know why I argue with some people on this. It goes nowhere. But I get myself goaded into repsonding because they make me mad. I should just ignore them, but I'm a glutton for punishment I suppose.

So, onto the off/on topic post:

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UNITED NATIONS — Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix said Tuesday he does not believe Iraq will use chemical or biological weapons during a war, even though it can produce warheads and deadly agents to fill them.

The reason, he said, was world opinion would turn in favor of the United States if Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction.

And even on the brink of defeat, when using such weapons might be a last resort, Saddam's government would still care about public opinion, Blix said. "Some people care about their reputation even after death," he said.

During 3 months of inspections, Blix said, his teams found no evidence of chemical or biological weapons.

Asked whether he believed Saddam would use such weapons, if he has them, Blix said: "I think they would be able if the weapons were there -- and I'm not saying they are. And I'm not saying that they have means of delivery -- but they could have it. ... But I doubt that they would have the will to do it."

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What planet is Blix from anyway?? The ridiculous double talk coming out of him would be laughable if it was not about something as serious as WMD. He says he can't find any evidence of chem/bio weapon production, but doesn't deny that Iraq can produce them. He thinks that that Saddam's honor would prevent him from using these weapons because of public opinion. FACT: He used them on the Kurds (his own people). FACT: He used them on the Iranian army. But when is comes to the US, he will be shamed into not using them??? And that last statement says it all. What a bunch of hooey!

[nasrules]

Originally posted by maartendc
Okay, I'm pretty tired. Its midnight here in Be, so I'll keep it short.

The fact that time doesn't exist basically comes from the fact that 'now' doesn't exist. You could look at the moment 'now' like the point where past and future come togheter. But the moment you say 'now' it's allready gone.

So basically, looking at it graphically, the moment now is surrounded by two graphical figures. On the left side there is the past, but the 'past-curve' goes on in eternity, it is eternaly small, becuase you can go closer and closer to the moment 'now' from the past.
The same goes for the right part of the picture. The right part is a line that represents the future, and this line does also continue in eternal smallness.

So basically, you can refine the moment 'now' untill you reach a zillionth of a second, and then you can still refine it. So basically it doesn't exist.

The fact that time doesn't exist has to do with the fact that you can't hold on to it. The moment you say 'now' its gone, so did it really exist?

Everything we call past and future is in our mind. If we talk about the past, it doesn't exist anymore. If we talk about the future, it doesn't exist yet. And if you look at the fact that the moment 'now' doesn't exist, you can basically conclude that time doesn't exist.


The universe only exist of moving things. Nothing more. Nothing less. Everything is perpetually moving.

So it depends of the way you look at it. Time does exist in people's heads, because we need therms to describe what our memory has captured from the so-called 'past'. And because humans are relatively intelligent beings, we also think about what has yet to come: 'future'. But actually, none of those two things exist anymore or yet.

This is all pretty philosophical, sorry bout that. But I like thinking about stuff like that.

it does exist, you just cant put a period of time to it.