Do you think Zeropaid should have an IRC forum?

[MoonMan]

OK I am probably going to get buried for requesting this but here it goes.

I think Zeropaid should have an IRC forum, where questions and comments, program releases, comedy, and help can go. That is one thing that is really lacking. I know alot of you despise IRC but then again, there are alot of you that enjoy it and know where I am coming from.

Just think about what IRC can do and how hard it can be to understand with no help.

- It is useful for file sharing. Fileserv channels have a GREAT wealth of files from rare to common ready for the taking.. only problem is not everyone knows how to use them.

- Understanding the different commands can be teedious.. especially for Networks like Undernet where registering a channel is damn near impossible. Plus other networks that are based around DALnet have all sorts of little commands that not everyone knows what to do with.

- Programs like mIRC, Klient, etc are always releasing new builds (well, mIRC is about due for another) that make them better and far more useable than previous versions.

- Scripting can be a hassle to learn without some real time help.. I mean, just learning how to make a time remote can be very very hard without some kind of real time learning envornment (a forum is the perfect place).

- P2P Chat is THE network centered around peer to peer technologies with official rooms for Shareaza, URL Blaze, Blubster, Piolet, Xolox.. to name a few that are imbeded in the program. This is a WEALTH of users who are potential Zeropaid members, why not offer help to them as well?

- The IRC world is always having new tips and turns, so news is of the essense. News stories are a daily occurance to see what is happening next.

- Humor is a good thing, as well as a vast thing on IRC. On UTC they have an 'IRC quoteables thread' which is about the only reason I post there.. its so damn funny. Zeropaid is missing this.

There are so many other reasons but I will leave it at that. What do you all think? Should Zeropaid have an IRC forum section? I mean it has a MAC FORUM, surely the IRC forum will get more posts than that pathetic forum.

Come on guys!

EDIT: Oh and that little thread I made for "everything IRC" can't possibly answer every question someone has.. just like the average WinMX faq could never do that.

[notbob]

there was one

nobody used it

[method77]

what is the difference if we just dicuss it in the general p2p forum?

[MoonMan]

@notbob: I understand that, but how long ago was that? Plus, there are alot of other forums that noone touches, namely Berman's Proposed P2P Bill, Zeropaid Advanced Theory, Mac Forum.. how about the individual ones? When was the last time you have seen a post about Xolox? How about Morpheus? Toadnode?? Not many I believe.

Remember also, other forums have had great success with it. It isn't something that is going to blossom a day after it is made like KaZaA for example. It will take time.. and there are alot of p2p+irc users that visit Zeropaid as well as the other sites.

I also think that if Zeropaid would just break already and make a chat room with P2PChat that the IRC forum would have alot more use.

All Jorge needs to do is email KayaMan (mailto:[email protected]) @ P2PChat and set up a room and a java applet for the site. Not that Zeropaid needs to follow their example, but Unitethecows, Slyck, P2Presence, k-lite.tk (somewhere), and I believe Napjunk have already done this. With the amount of people that visit Zeropaid a day, there would be SOME people there. Hence, the IRC forum would also have more meaning.

@method77: True, but that is what we have been doing already. But with that same argument, why have programs like Piolet already been given a forum? Why can't they just discuss things in the old Blubster forums? Or even the general p2p section?

[gorphon]

do you mean an irc forum on zeropaid or a zeropaid channel on irc???

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by gorphon
do you mean an irc forum on zeropaid or a zeropaid channel on irc???

Well both really. The thread was about making a forum on Zeropaid for IRC topics.. but making a channel for Zeropaid on P2PChat with the java applet on the site would also be a good idea. The two would support each other. It is a proven idea, just take a look at UTC.. they pull it off quite well.

As of now kevoid owns #zeropaid and #zeropaid.com so DO NOT GO THERE. That is another reason why Jorge needs to contact KayaMan, so he can release the room from kevoid and make plans for the java applet.

[phalkon30]

Intresting idea, I think it would cut down on the crap threads in the lounge, which in the longrun could be great for the site

[The Hunter]

Well I for one would be in favor of anything that cuts back on the lounge threads.

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by phalkon30
Intresting idea, I think it would cut down on the crap threads in the lounge, which in the longrun could be great for the site

Are you insinuating that IRC threads are crap? :-P

[phalkon30]

Now...do I take you seriously on that or not....damn

IRC threads...haven't seen many, but threads like the great wall of spam, I think in the longrun are not good for the site, this could cut down on them, I was actually thinking about this a few days ago, just didn't post about it

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by phalkon30
Now...do I take you seriously on that or not....damn

IRC threads...haven't seen many, but threads like the great wall of spam, I think in the longrun are not good for the site, this could cut down on them, I was actually thinking about this a few days ago, just didn't post about it

hehe I was just kidding. I also think the huge spam thread is going to hurt the site more and more as it gets bigger.. but alot of people find enjoyment out of it so what can I say to that?

Anyways.. to be truthful I doubt anyone who CAN do something will.. meaning I don't think there will be a java chat for #zeropaid (on p2pchat) on Zeropaid let alone a forum for IRC... but I thought I might as well bring it up now rather than never.

[matstao]

It sounds like a great idea to me. Certainly worth trying. I think it'd be a great way for members to meet, communicate, interact, learn, grow, waste time, etc. "The great wall of spam" (haha, phalkon) is fun, but much of that energy could be vented in some form of chat.

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by matstao
It sounds like a great idea to me. Certainly worth trying. I think it'd be a great way for members to meet, communicate, interact, learn grow, waste time, etc. "The great wall of spam" (haha, phalkon) is fun, but much of that energy could be vented in some form of chat.

That is another great point, thank you matstao! So much bandwidth could be saved from threads like the huge spam thread by going on chat! I think it is a worthy investment myself, but it is obviously not up to me.

Still, good point. Thanks for bringing it up.

[Wolfie]

In defence of the "great wall of spam" it has cut down on multiple spam threads in the lounge. If we gonna have spam its better to be in one place than spread all over the forum in separate segements.

As for topic, IRC chat would be nice but as long people show up for it and so it won't become a ghost town like the previous attempts.

[phalkon30]

While it does condense the spam, it also encourages mind numbing spam, spam just for the sake of spam, which in the past has NOT been tolerated, why is there an exeption?

One other thought I had, make a forum that is open topic (within limits), and will be erased on a daily basis, say every 24 hours, that way if you wanted to spam or chat, you could do it, and it wouldn't load servers down

[matstao]

Originally posted by Wolfie
In defence of the "great wall of spam" it has cut down on multiple spam threads in the lounge. If we gonna have spam its better to be in one place than spread all over the forum in separate segements.

As for topic, IRC chat would be nice but as long people show up for it and so it won't become a ghost town like the previous attempts.

Agreed Wolfie. I hope the spam thread goes along it's semi-regulated, constantly wandering path forever.

There is also, I think, a lot of potential in a realtime chat option for members. Of course no-one can garantee that the room(s) will be full of chatters, but I think this poll's results should help in predicting its success. I know I'd stop in regularly.

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by Wolfie
In defence of the "great wall of spam" it has cut down on multiple spam threads in the lounge. If we gonna have spam its better to be in one place than spread all over the forum in separate segements.

As for topic, IRC chat would be nice but as long people show up for it and so it won't become a ghost town like the previous attempts.

First, I understand what you are saying about the huge spam thread.

Second, the reason past attempts have failed is because a few things have not happened.

- First, Jorge has to talk to KayaMan about it and set up the room on the P2P Chat Network.

- Second, there has to be a chat button IN CLEAR VIEW on the front page linking to java chat.

- Third, there needs to be at least 6 people in there constantly at first to get it going. I saw it happen with #slyck and #unitethecows.com. There were only a few at first, but now they are both getting about 20 simaltanious (how in the hell is that word spelled??) users each.

- Forth, people need to take it seriously. If it is disregarded as junk the minute it is started, then there is probably no hope for it.

This is all just what I think, but I have seen this in the making before.. and trust me, it does work.

[Rickio]

If you all want a irc channel, just someone do it.
I made one for another forum once and no one used it.

I guess it's timing.
Cuz it was tried here as already mentioned.

Just make one and see what happens.

peace

[The Hunter]

My opinion is that it has cut down on the numerous polls, and the I want to spam threads. At least most of the spam has been kept in one place. PS its a heck of a lot easier to keep track of there also.

[MoonMan]

Ok a few things (I'm talking to KayaMan at the moment):

- there are no fees to setting up a java applet on the site. (it is an open network).

- the room can be released to us at anytime.

- He can design an applet for ya (in fact, he said he would design one tonight).

- There will be people sitting in the room so as its not completely empty.

All that is needed is an ok from the site admins, and we can have IRC P2P Chat on Zeropaid.

[The Hunter]

Well send Jorge or Dubb a message, and ask them.

[jonny5]

/me will add the zeropaid room to his list of favorites for now. Hopefully it's a success and brings more people to zeropaid if it is actually set up :)

[Ken17625]

If it's linked on the front page of Zeropaid, it will draw more attention than other attempts in the past that wen't without knowledge to a lot of members.

[MoonMan]

Just so you all know, Zeropaid.com has a chat ready and waiting.. along with a java applet ready for implementing. Now I just need to get the admins to approve.

The link to it is here (http://www.p2pchat.net/chat/zeropaid.php). Special thanks to KayaMan. Please, everyone, give it a chance... I have worked really hard to pull this together lol.. so don't sign it off as crap.

I will also contact the admins here to see what they think.. hopefully they will be happy to place a button on the front page.. since that is all that is really necassary on their part!

[phalkon30]

Check it out guys, its pretty cool so far, could prove to be lots of fun

[Sephiroth]

My only concern is fservs.. I dont think they should be allowed this is not a place to get warez and to have a irc channel that would allow it to take place would only be bad.

People who want to do that can create another channel plus it would encourage bots and other problems in running it.

Who has founder access on it now?

The java applet sucks ass... Ive had run ins with it becaused ive been a operator of a channel before and yes the java plug in sucks..

In any case this should be done just because other sites have it.. Just because it works for them doesnt mean it will work here.

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
My only concern is fservs.. I dont think they should be allowed this is not a place to get warez and to have a irc channel that would allow it to take place would only be bad.

People who want to do that can create another channel plus it would encourage bots and other problems in running it.

Who has founder access on it now?

The java applet sucks ass... Ive had run ins with it becaused ive been a operator of a channel before and yes the java plug in sucks..

In any case this should be done just because other sites have it.. Just because it works for them doesnt mean it will work here.

Now come on Sephiroth, you are not being particularly fair. Any program can distribute warez.. AIM, ICQ, anything.. just because it can send files doesn't mean it is automatically going to be illegal files. Plus #Zeropaid is its own channel, not the other channels. No one ever said you had to change channels.

For right now, I have founder access.. but that can change to you if you would like.. since you are the top moderator. I would be happy to give it to you, provided you show up (because we need someone to take care of the channel). The only reason I regged it was because KayaMan thought I should to get out of the clutches of some other people. He has a policy to give channels to sites/programs/etc that want a channel.

Java plug ins are not the greatest, but they are MENT for people to get to know everyone and understand the concept behind it. Kaya has also planned to make a Zeropaid style script of extreme mIRC.. that way you don't have to use the java.

And as I stated before, I didn't want to do this because of other sites. Sephiroth I love this IRC network and everyone in it, and I feel the same way with Zeropaid. All I am trying to do is bring the two together as well and make something fun for everyone. I am not trying to shove it in anyones face.

Give it a shot man. I mean jeeze, I wasn't trying to give you poison.. only give back to the community which is so good to me.

Oh and there are no pop ups like Smashs lame attempt, this is a genuine attempt at giving something back.

[Sephiroth]

Warez isnt allowed in any other part of this site and the irc channel should be no exception..

Since its impossible, time confusing and inconvient to kick out those who do fserv should be turned off so there is no list of files in the channel. Again what people do on by themselves in querys is their own business people who request files in the channels should be kicked..

Ive been on p2pchat servers before so i know about them allready and they are pretty good.

Anyways if Jorge supports it and it gets to be offical then yeah ill help out with it.

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Warez isnt allowed in any other part of this site and the irc channel should be no exception..

Since its impossible, time confusing and inconvient to kick out those who do fserv should be turned off so there is no list of files in the channel. Again what people do on by themselves in querys is their own business people who request files in the channels should be kicked..

Ive been on p2pchat servers before so i know about them allready and they are pretty good.

Anyways if Jorge supports it and it gets to be offical then yeah ill help out with it.

Sephiroth you are always welcome to help! All Jorge needs to do is add a button on the front page with a link to the chat. That's it.

I will be creating a short helper guide for those of you who will come on.

[jonny5]

thought i'd throw this help file out your way in case you wanted to be lazy moony.. http://www.p2pchat.net/help.php it's pretty good or maybe it will help you come up w/ other ideas to add to your help file :)

[chipperrox]

great idea ya'll

[serrebi101]

I like this, this was a good idea, come zp members! get in the chat room1